Paradox & Klei dodge Epic Games' first Steam Sale, pull games for the duration - So much for competition

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It appears that Epic Games & some game developers using it are not on the same page with luring customers to the Epic Games store.

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The Epic Games Store began its “Mega Epic Sale,” but has hit some snags along the way, including two games being pulled off the store.
The Mega Epic Sale is offering some pretty major discounts, particularly the sweeping promotion where Epic itself is offering $10 off on all games priced $14.99 or higher, meaning games like Super Meat Boy that are normally $14.99 can currently be purchased for $4.99.

This discount comes courtesy of Epic itself, suggesting they’re paying for portions of the discount that extend beyond their 12% cut of the profits. This discount applies to games already on sale, so long as the sale price is above $14.99. Even unreleased games available for pre-purchase are receiving the discount, and everyone who pre-purchased an unreleased game prior to May 16 for $14.99 and above will get a $10 refund.


The sale is also offering several games for up to 75% off and is giving away a free game every week until the sale ends on June 13 - this week, it’s the narrative-based adventure Stories Untold, next week it’s Rime.

Unfortunately, it hasn’t be all smooth sailing for the Epic Store’s first big sale, as two games have been pulled off the storefront following the sale’s commencement. According to Kotaku, Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2 disappeared from the storefront following the start of the sale, and its Epic Store page is currently displaying a 404 error. This upcoming action RPG was reportedly available for a discounted price, but soon disappeared from the storefront. An Epic representative told Kotaku the game’s publisher Paradox decided not to participate in the sale.


Epic said of the removal, “If a developer or publisher chooses to not participate in our sales, we will honor that decision. Paradox Interactive has chosen to not participate in the Epic Mega Sale and the game has been temporarily removed from sale. If you’ve purchased Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2 during the period when the discount did apply at the time of check out, Epic will honor that price.”

Paradox also provided Kotaku with a statement, saying “We are in discussion with Epic regarding the temporary removal of Vampire: the Masquerade - Bloodlines 2 from the Epic Game Store. The game will return to the store soon! Any purchases made while the game was discounted during the Epic Mega Sale will be honored and no Masquerade violations will be assessed.”'

Another game removed after the sale began is the sci-fi survival sim Oxygen Not Included, which similarly has an Epic Store page displaying a 404 error, though its developer and publisher Klei Entertainment has yet to give an official statement on the matter. The game is currently being sold for $25 on Steam, and the full version of the game is set to be released on May 29.


One of the messier parts of the sale has impacted Hades from Supergiant Games, which launched in early access on the Epic Games store in December. It’s currently listed for $19.99 at its full price, and $9.99 for its sale price, but according to Eurogamer was initially listed at the incorrect price of $6.99 after offering a 25% discount on top of Epic’s deal, but soon its sales price was increased to $14.99 with its base price going to $24.99.

Shortly before this, Supergiant said on Twitter it would announce a price increase “well in advance” if it were to happen. After the pricing went back down to its current rate, Supergiant created an official post that read "After the sale is over, on June 14, we will be raising the game's retail price to $24.99. We had intended to raise the retail price of the game soon, but made the decision rashly as part of the sale -- we didn't provide advance notice to our customers, despite previously stating we would do so. That was our mistake, and we sincerely apologize."


In early access Hades review, we called the game “Great” saying "Hades nails the core elements of the rogue-lite — tight combat, meaningful customization, varied abilities that differentiate runs, and interesting progression — all laced with a meaningful story hook."Outside of the Mega Epic Sale, check out these best TV deals, these best Apple dealsand some great Amazon deals.


No Epic exclusives (if we don't count the early access for Hades) have pulled, signalling that this was due to poor coordination on Epic's part with the developers. It really makes both ends look bad, though.
 

Takodachi

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Well shit.
I was considering on installing the Epic launcher if it meant getting Paradox games and their DLC on sale, but I guess I'll just wait for the summer sale on steam.
 

Shaved Kiwis

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Well shit.
I was considering on installing the Epic launcher if it meant getting Paradox games and their DLC on sale, but I guess I'll just wait for the summer sale on steam.


Fun facts: Their launcher is basically spyware. Also their 2 factor authentication is completely fucked. I would not trust these chucklefucks with my credit card info.

 
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Fun facts: Their launcher is basically spyware. Also their 2 factor authentication is completely fucked. I would not trust these chucklefucks with my credit card info.


Plus, Tencent is pretty much the for profit arm of the Chinese Communist Party, and guess who's half owner of Epic Games? Tencent.
 

Mcniggered

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Got confused by the title. Should have also mentioned that the Hades devs shot themselves in the foot with the price bullshit. Because of Epic's fucked sales numbers, the original price the game had means it was just short of a few cents or whatever going by the Euro price meaning the game wouldn't be able to go on sale. The devs listened and jacked the price up to make it go on sale for EU folks and ended up pissing off a lot of people so now they've backpedaled and put the price back down. They released a statement about here the other day basically saying it's gonna stay the current price for the duration of the sale then go back up once it's done. The dumbest part is their PR for the price increase was fucking hilariously bad on their part too.
 
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G-Guys, you are all just loyal to Steam. Quit being so loyal to Steam, there is no good reason to be loyal when Epic is totes just as good and has your best interests at heart!
I-I bet you think Get Woke Go Broke is totes legit too, silly whiners! Epic is gonna knock some life into this dying industry mark my words!
 

Otis Boi

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How much Fuck You money is the Chinese government going to invest in a video games sales platform?
I would say a lot possible. I think they see the western gaming market as an easy cash cow that dosen't really get affected by bad publicity. They look at EA and go "hmm we can fuck up and people will still by out shit." I just underestimated how much people hate launchers and exclusivity. They also proberly didnt think tencent was poison to anything is associated with.
 

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The problem is that with the $10 discount on unreleased games or games that are at other places, it actually de-values the product. For example, if you see Bloodlines 2 was 50 bucks instead of 60, you'd think you'd be getting ripped off.

There's also the problem that developers have to approve of shit like this. Epic can't just do this, since these aren't their properties. Developers have been freaking the fuck out and raising prices so that their games don't get fucked on other platforms. Epic just doesn't care about that, it wants to burn the space to the ground. It doesn't want to be competition to Steam, it wants to replace it. That's why its being incredibly aggressive.

Epic also doesn't have a shopping cart still so you need to buy these 'amazing deals' one at a time, and it locks you out if you buy too many too quickly in succession.

Don't forget how much "Fuck You" money Epic has from Fortnite. I think it ranges in the billions of dollars.

Projects from billion dollar companies have burned out before because they were in the red for too long. Its not how much they're making, its how much this is costing. They've got other areas where they need this money. Unreal 4 needs developers, Fortnite needs continuing development to stay popular. Not to mention paying for sponsorships and streamers and shit like that. If they're investing all their free capital in this, they're not making any returns on anything else.

Epic also has one thing that Valve doesn't: Stockholders. Valve is not a publicly traded company. Epic is. Epic has to answer for why they're spending all this money on a store that is just burning it. I have a feeling these deals are a year long because they expect their store to be profitable in a year. There's also the problem of when those exclusives become available on Steam, they sell better than when they were on Epic. If that happens, exclusives will become more expensive. I mean exclusives ARE becoming more expensive. Its why BL3 is six months, not a year.

Its why they bought Rocket League. Not because it was popular recently. Its a four year old game. They bought it because they need something else to support the store other than Fortnite. I mean, eventually Fortnite is going to stop making as much money as it does, its an inevitability. Its baby's first vidya.
 
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Zeke Von Genbu

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So to answer this problem Epic is going to buy exclusive rights to have sales on any product on their store whenever they want at whatever price they want. That seems to be the Epic way as of right now, if you can't get anything via natural or reasonable means just buy it outright with fuck you money.

For real though, is a crew of literal chimps behind this store? This has gone beyond clown shoes, how do functioning human brains actually fuck up this consistently on such basic things?

I can't wait for someone's games to just get deleted off their account and Epic will have no way to confirm if the person ever owned the game(s), so they'll be told to just buy it again. I'm locking this prediction in because that is the only way this could get even more stupid I think, unless this event has already happened and I'm just unaware.


Epic also has one thing that Valve doesn't: Stockholders. Valve is not a publicly traded company. Epic is. Epic has to answer for why they're spending all this money on a store that is just burning it. I have a feeling these deals are a year long because they expect their store to be profitable in a year. There's also the problem of when those exclusives become available on Steam, they sell better than when they were on Epic. If that happens, exclusives will become more expensive. I mean exclusives ARE becoming more expensive. Its why BL3 is six months, not a year.

This isn't quite correct. Epic is not a publicly traded company from my short little search, it is a subsidary of a publicly traded company though who we obviously know is Tencent. Stock is just a means to give and express Tencent's significant control over the company, I believe it is 40% which by definition is significant control, so I think saying they have stockholders is a little misleading. Edit: This isn't correct either, I mixed up similar definitions, Epic Games is an equity investment on Tencent's books due to having more than 20% ownership, but less than over 50% ownership. In short basically as Epic reports positive/negative income, Tencent's investment asset increases or decreases accordingly. Because of this control, Tencent has pretty reasonable rights to Epic's financial statements and the investment changes do impact Tencent's books, so roughly the same idea exists, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're a part of Tencent directly which is the most notable error in my implications.

Stockholders and being publicly traded implies a bunch of random, faceless, and very prone to exit investors who jump ship the moment things start going south. Tencent has stake in the company but it is not quite the same as a typical publicly traded company like EA whos stock price can just fall in a matter of a day because of something like BF2 lootboxes.

I'm being a little pedantic, but I feel it is worth pointing out and keeping in mind. If Epic were a publicly traded company we'd all legally be allowed to see their financial statements which might be able to actually tell us something more concrete about this operation at some point.

So while Valve technically runs independently and Epic does not, that doesn't make Epic publically traded. Before anyone tries to say that Tencent has to answer for Epic's failures, one thing to keep in mind is that no one knows the scope of this failure as far as actual figures go, and Tencent has a lot of hands in many places to my knowledge so it is very possible that a bigger failure exists to cover up Epic Games. So depending on how much Tencent really cares about any of this, and they might for spyware reasons or some other strategy that might exist, Epic could run in the red for as long as they're given means to be operational by Tencent. Just the wonders you get when you're backed by a massive investment company with fuck you money, not saying it will, but you never fully know. Edit: This assumes Tencent has control over Epic, which may not be true as I've defined in my corrections, but why else would chinese spyware exist? Something about this store at least leads to believe that tencent has some level of control in this store.

My overall opinion, honestly unless Epic's store is some corner stone piece to some bigger strategy or purpose, I expect it to go down in 2 years at best. This entire operation is getting really really dumb, we've gone beyond just a transitional fuck up into a competitive market or having a few dumb misunderstandings about the market, we've entered into the realm where our operation is being run by literal chimps.
 
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Got confused by the title. Should have also mentioned that the Hades devs shot themselves in the foot with the price bullshit. Because of Epic's fucked sales numbers, the original price the game had means it was just short of a few cents or whatever going by the Euro price meaning the game wouldn't be able to go on sale. The devs listened and jacked the price up to make it go on sale for EU folks and ended up pissing off a lot of people so now they've backpedaled and put the price back down. They released a statement about here the other day basically saying it's gonna stay the current price for the duration of the sale then go back up once it's done. The dumbest part is their PR for the price increase was fucking hilariously bad on their part too.
Jacking up prices right before a sale is illegal as fuck in many commonwealth countries, I'd hazard a guess that it's probably illegal in many EU countries too.
 

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Well shit.
I was considering on installing the Epic launcher if it meant getting Paradox games and their DLC on sale, but I guess I'll just wait for the summer sale on steam.

Steam offers better support anyway. Considering how long a paradox game playthrough can take those cloud saves are very useful. That and the refund policy when you get suckered by a useless DLC like Conclave for CK 2
 

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