MZB was not just an enabler, she personally abused her daughter as well.
Also whatever you might think of John Scalzi's politics, he was one of the first to call out the SF fandom for covering this shit up.
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Also whatever you might think of John Scalzi's politics, he was one of the first to call out the SF fandom for covering this shit up.
Sadly it's a pretty common occurrence when it comes to young adult authors. Gerrad Jone for instance admitted to making child pornography. You have one of the co creators of DragonCon Edward E. Kramer and the people who support him like Darrell Schweitzer and Anne McCafferey. It should be mentioned that John Scalzi was involved with the Edward Kramer case.
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Ugh, Fat Pat would be one of the cheerleaders of the witchhunts led against Toni Weiskofpf and Baen earlier this year.
We really need a SFWA thread here, there is just so much crap/lowcows in that community.
Kudus on winning your suit btw, modest as it was.
Stomach churning stuff.
Yeah... one of the most damning things about modern spec fiction is a lot of the old hands in SFWA covered for MZB and Breen for years. Her status as an ardently feminist and successful author and publisher was deemed more important than the safety and innocence of dozens of children.
Oh certainly, but none of that came out until after she had died.
The Ed Kramer thing was a tough one, because for years and years you had an ugly fandom civil war in the ATL era between the Dragoncon organizers and the Atlanta Fantasy Fair organizers (AFF being the older con that Dragoncon aggressively muscled out of the market in the later 80s and 90s). Anyone who didn't want to believe accusations against Kramer had an easy excuse available, because the accusations were usually coming from people who hated him for other reasons. Or they were coming from Joe Christ and Nancy Collins, who were fucking lunatics.
That website is fucking annoying, any links to individual docs expire after ten minutes. Attached:
Case Number: CPF21517455
2021-06-22 REPLY IN SUPPORT OF PETITION TO QUASH
I like to imagine every single one of those "Tomlinson has not shown/produced no evidence/is incorrect" was a $500/hour dig at Patso's wine college queer reputation lawyer.
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Pretty sure if someone alerted Twitter to what's going on with Patricks' case right now with the ban evasion on official court documents would get him banned off of Twitter for good and now amount of crying to a lawyer would get that reversed. After all, he paid thousands to get those suspensions reversed.
Anyone who feels like it should go for it but Twitter has a long-standing practice of ignoring even open and blatant ban evasion by people with the right politics.
Do we really want to shut down that source of lulz? I want to hear his screams of pain, when they come.
He was quite upset last time it happened since Twitter is his only way to cope with his life. He would find another place to seethe where we would get to watch as he fights with big bad Twitter to get his account back.
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Based on the complaint he seems to think that he is entitled to being on Twitter as some sort of right, even though the Tweet he was suspended for did in fact violate Twitter's terms.
After Pat was banned the previous two times he spent most of his time on facebook, oinking at the twitter facebook account demanding that they unban him. Pat being banned on twitter doesn't stop the lulz because the idiot will fork out another $5k to a lawyer to get unbanned, then gloat about it like he achieved some great victory.
In that case, it sounds like a ban would be in service of the lulz.
Hey Fatrick, I'm still waiting on my subponea. What happened, lardo? I thought you were a scary violent antifa foot solider...
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The California hearing on Quasi's petition to quash was held just an hour or two ago. Plenty of people were able to join and watch it on Zoom, but sadly barbaric California law forbids the recording in part or full of court proceedings by unapproved randos for wider dissemination, so unfortunately we're not likely to obtain any video of it like we did for the Wisconsin Court. I myself just barely missed it, so I'll try to cobble together the most important details from other brothermen's real-time observations. Given that it's fresh, second-hand information, I'll be updating this post as I get more verification, and it might be wise to take the more subjective events with a grain of salt. It looks like the Court site will be uploading mini-minutes, so we'll at least get the technical details in black and white at some point.
- Parties involved were Judge Stein, Attorney Ruben Peña (of Rosenberger Rosenfeld, LLP, the same Rosenfeld we've seen in court correspondence up until now) representing Quasi, and Attorney Rodney Mayr representing Patrick. Along for the ride but watching from the sidelines were Patrick himself, Brinton and the resto of Fat's growing legal team, as well as an unusually large number of observers.
- By all accounts, Stein was based and very much in-tune with Internet litigation and culture, in stark contrast to Judge Ashley.
- By all accounts, Peña was determined and high-energy.
- By all accounts, Mayr was a bumbling, mumbling mess. Also that he resembles Milton from Office Space.
- Mayr's argument seemed to boil down to accusing Quasi of leaving a fake book and inflammatory review designed to defame Patrick, and that he was encouraging others to log onto Goodreads to do so, so it's also conspiracy.
- Amusingly, he brings up that falsely calling someone a racist and antisemite is very hurtful and bad. Bit ironic given his client.
- Mayr tries to tie the nasty Internet comments into the wider cultural problem of muh racism and antisemitism, and Judge Stein completely blows past that nonsense.
- Peña rebutts by pointing out that they're ascribing a specific review to Quasi, even though there's no evidence he was the person that wrote it. Judge concurs.
- Stein bluntly states: "I don't find the fake [book] review to be defamatory'', "I'm not seeing how this evidence before me is prima facie defamatory'', "That's not defamatory, that's teaching other people how to troll", and "How is that not part of free speech?"
- At one point, Patrick was apparantly so frustrated by his attorney's inability to impress the judge that he 'raised his hand' so he could join in with the conversation, ostensibly to use his own powers of persuasion on Justice Stein. He started with, "I-I don't know the proper protocol for this" before the annoyed judge cut him off and stated that the proper protocol was to ask to take a 5 minute recess to confer with his attorney. Five minutes later, Mayr reappeared, requesting ANOTHER 5 minute recess. One can only imagine what words were shared between the scorned pig and his sweating lawyer in those ten minutes.
- The court clerk: ''While we're on break, we noticed there have been A LOT of... umm attendees that are attending."
- A few dummies in the audience also accidentally raise their hands, leading to the clerk asking if a 'Yusuf Kumiya' and Nick Carpinelli (of Scorch PFG TV fame) also wanted to check in.
- Mayr then shifts to arguing that Quasi reported Fat for ban evasion on Twitter (no evidence for this, of course), and that this is somehow defamation.
- Stein: "How is that actionable? He has the free speech to do that."
- Peña brings up Krinsky v. Doe 6 as a counterpoint, judge concurs.
- Mayr admits that they need to get John Doe 1 to get Does 2-60. The IPs he's given mean little for their case unless he's named and sworn in to vouch that they aren't bullshit. [not sure on how true this is]
- Mayr claims that there are posts by Quasi admitting he left fake reviews for purposefully malicious reasons (he obviously didn't). Stein calls his bluff, says that he wants to see it.
- Judge: "My tentative ruling is to grant the motion to squash."
- Judge is in favor of quashing but gives Pat 10 more days to file a new Declaration in Opposition. He wants to see actual evidence of Quasi's guilt specifically (those made-up posts), and he wants that evidence to satisfy and expand on Krinsky. Good fucking luck with that.
- 10 days on top of that for Quasi to respond. Next hearing scheduled on August 23rd at 9:30AM Pacific. Some people are saying that this date passes the Wisconsin deadline granted to Resto for serving people, but I'll need to doublecheck to make sure and to ascertain what the consequences might. Would be fun if his suit died here just because his hack lawyers wasted so much time twiddling their thumbs.
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I imagined a judge saying this and it made me smile.
His Attorney has been in the game for five years and looks like T.Greg. I wouldn't expect him to do well in a court case.
@Useful_Mistake thoughtsThe California hearing on Quasi's petition to squash was held just an hour or two ago. Plenty of people were able to join and watch it on Zoom, but sadly barbaric California law forbids the recording in part or full of court proceedings by unapproved randos for wider dissemination, so unfortunately we're not likely to obtain any video of it like we did for the Wisconsin Court. I myself just barely missed it, so I'll try to cobble together the most important details from other brothermen's real-time observations. Given that it's fresh, second-hand information, I'll be updating this post as I get more verification, and it might be wise to take the more subjective events with a grain of salt. It looks like the Court site will be uploading mini-minutes, so we'll at least get the technical details in black and white at some point.
tl;dr it's not looking good for Patrick unless a miracle happens. There's several ways for this to blow up in his face, and the best part he has less than two weeks to do anything.
- Parties involved were Judge Stein, Attorney Ruben Peña (of Rosenberger Rosenfeld, LLP, the same Rosenfeld we've seen in court correspondence up until now) representing Quasi, and Attorney Rodney Mayr representing Patrick. Along for the ride but watching from the sidelines were Patrick himself, Brinton and the resto of Fat's growing legal team, as well as an unusually large number of observers.
- By all accounts, Stein was based and very much in-tune with Internet litigation and culture, in stark contrast to Judge Ashley.
- By all accounts, Peña was determined and high-energy.
- By all accounts, Mayr was a bumbling, mumbling mess. Also that he resembles Milton from Office Space.
- Mayr's argument seemed to boil down to accusing Quasi of leaving a fake book and inflammatory review designed to defame Patrick, and that he was encouraging others to log onto Goodreads to do so, so it's also conspiracy.
- Amusingly, he brings up that falsely calling someone a racist and antisemite is very hurtful and bad. Bit ironic given his client.
- Mayr tries to tie the nasty Internet comments into the wider cultural problem of muh racism and antisemitism, and Judge Stein completely blows past that nonsense.
- Peña rebutts by pointing out that they're ascribing a specific review to Quasi, even though there's no evidence he was the person that wrote it. Judge concurs.
- Stein bluntly states: "I don't find the fake [book] review to be defamatory'', "I'm not seeing how this evidence before me is prima facie defamatory'', "That's not defamatory, that's teaching other people how to troll", and "How is that not part of free speech?"
- At one point, Patrick was apparantly so frustrated by his attorney's inability to impress the judge that he 'raised his hand' so he could join in with the conversation, ostensibly to use his own powers of persuasion on Justice Stein. He started with, "I-I don't know the proper protocol for this" before the annoyed judge cut him off and stated that the proper protocol was to ask to take a 5 minute recess to confer with his attorney. Five minutes later, Mayr reappeared, requesting ANOTHER 5 minute recess. One can only imagine what words were shared between the scorned pig and his sweating lawyer in those ten minutes.
- The court clerk: ''While we're on break, we noticed there have been A LOT of... umm attendees that are attending."
- A few dummies in the audience also accidentally raise their hands, leading to the clerk asking if a 'Yusuf Kumiya' and Nick Carpinelli (of Scorch PFG TV fame) also wanted to check in.
- Mayr then shifts to arguing that Quasi reported Fat for ban evasion on Twitter (no evidence for this, of course), and that this is somehow defamation.
- Stein: "How is that actionable? He has the free speech to do that."
- Peña brings up Krinsky v. Doe 6 as a counterpoint, judge concurs.
- Mayr admits that they need to get John Doe 1 to get Does 2-60. The IPs he's given mean little for their case unless he's named and sworn in to vouch that they aren't bullshit. [not sure on how true this is]
- Mayr claims that there are posts by Quasi admitting he left fake reviews for purposefully malicious reasons (he obviously didn't). Stein calls his bluff, says that he wants to see it.
- Judge: "My tentative ruling is to grant the motion to squash."
- Judge is in favor of quashing but gives Pat 10 more days to file a new Declaration in Opposition. He wants to see actual evidence of Quasi's guilt specifically (those made-up posts), and he wants that evidence to satisfy and expand on Krinsky. Good fucking luck with that.
- 10 days on top of that for Quasi to respond. Next hearing scheduled on August 23rd at 9:30AM Pacific. Some people are saying that this date passes the Wisconsin deadline granted to Resto for serving people, but I'll need to doublecheck to make sure and to ascertain what the consequences might. Would be fun if his suit died here just because his hack lawyers wasted so much time twiddling their thumbs.
There are copies of the hearing around, to be found in the usual places. I believe Dr. Owen A. Forums may know where they are located.
Pat has yet to publicly react to the hearing itself, but he oinked about the farms.
Pat has yet to publicly react to the hearing itself, but he oinked about the farms.
Should always archive his tweets, even if archive is running slow. Just let it run in the background.
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Turns out two brave men did record the session, so we have two videos of the hearing to watch. The first one is high-resolution and starts from the very beginning, but seems to be missing Patrick's interjection and the subsequent recess. The second one is blurry and starts with the proceedings underway, but does include the parts that are missing from the former.
(Just mirroring vid #1 for now because it's so massive and KF is crapping out constantly for me atm, I'll replace it with its own proper upload soon)
(Just mirroring vid #1 for now because it's so massive and KF is crapping out constantly for me atm, I'll replace it with its own proper upload soon)
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It's all because of the zoom, if he was there in person he would real life tough guy his way through the hearings with intimidate checks and then, if any of the Does in question were female, proceed to beat them.
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