$ Peter Thiel calls bitcoin a Chinese financial weapon - Lol sure

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Billionaire tech investor Peter Thiel warned about bitcoin’s potential in undermining the US dollar’s position as a global reserve currency and accused Chinese video app TikTok of creating “privacy-invading” technologies in a virtual talk on Tuesday.

Thiel, an outspoken Silicon Valley supporter of former US president Donald Trump and a major investor in cryptocurrencies, shared his opinion in an online seminar centred on US Big Tech and China held by the Richard Nixon Foundation.

“From China’s point of view … they don’t like the US having this reserve currency, because it gives us a lot of leverage over Iranian oil supply chains and all sorts of things like that,” he said.

“I do wonder whether at this point bitcoin should also be thought in part of as a Chinese financial weapon against the US where it threatens fiat money, but it especially threatens the US dollar and China wants to do things to weaken it.”

Some bitcoin investors disagree with Thiel’s assertion.

The bitcoin network is not controlled by any sovereign governments, said Flex Yang, founder and CEO of Hong Kong-based cryptocurrency financial institution Babel Finance.

"It is a collective effort and I hope more people see bitcoin as a global community, beyond individual nation-states,” Yang said.

Thiel
also expressed concerns over what he sees as a security threat posed by TikTok, owned by Beijing-based start-up ByteDance.

“The thing that is problematic about TikTok is that … it has this sort of incredible exfiltration of data about people. You are sort of creating this incredibly privacy-invading map of … a large part of the population of the Western world,” he said.

Thiel suggested that TikTok should be banned in the US, like it has been in India.
“It doesn’t seem like the sort of thing if you shut it down it would be, you know, this economic catastrophe.”

Thiel also criticised some US tech giants for pandering to China.

He said that while the US is still ahead of China in most areas, the latter “has been very good at copying [and] stealing things”, adding that in some cases “a lot of it was just handed over from the West”, citing Google as an example.
“Google was effectively working with the Chinese military, not with the American military,” Thiel said.

“One of the things that I was sort of told by some of the insiders at Google was they figured they might as well give the technology out the front door, because if they didn’t give it, it would get stolen anyway,” he said.
A Google representative called Thiel’s allegations “baseless”.

“We do not work with the Chinese military. We are proud to continue our long history of work with the US government, including the Department of Defence, in many areas including cybersecurity, recruiting and healthcare.”

Thiel said that among the biggest names in Silicon Valley, Apple “is probably the one that’s structurally a real problem, because the whole iPhone supply chain gets made from China.”

The venture capitalist, who sits on Facebook’s board of directors, said that the social network company, as well as Amazon and Microsoft “aren’t naturally pro-China constituency”.
Apple and TikTok did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Thursday.
On Tuesday, Thiel was joined by former US national security adviser Robert O’Brien and former US secretary of state Michael Pompeo, who warned of possible intellectual theft by Chinese students studying in the US.
“I think it makes it riskier to have those students studying here because the capacity for that information to end up in places that benefits the Chinese Communist Party’s model [and] its ideology is pretty significant,” he said.

The comments came as American political and business leaders have been ramping up rhetoric against China’s growing technological ambition.
During this year’s “two sessions”, China’s largest annual political gathering, Chinese Premier Li Keqiang vowed to boost support for research and development initiatives over the next five years and beyond.
Meanwhile US President Joe Bidenhas described China as his country’s “most serious competitor” and has vowed to confront Beijing on various fronts, including human rights and intellectual property.
Earlier this year, a US group led by former Google CEO Eric Schmidt produced a report calling on Washington to manage “asymmetric competition” with China when it comes to technology.
The report said that a certain degree of “bifurcation” would be in US interests.

On Tuesday, Thiel echoed those sentiments, saying that “seeing China in an adversarial way would be a helpful start” for the US in handling its competition against China, although “Silicon Valley has not been that good on this”.

He also suggested that artificial intelligence (AI) is an area in which the US might want to exercise restraint because of its applications in surveillance.
“If crypto is kind of libertarian, AI is kind of communist,” he said.
“Even though we are ahead of basic science of AI, China is willing to apply it and turn the entire society into a face recognition surveillance state … That is something we are not willing to do.”
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Very rich that the billionaire with connections to Mossad who funds efforts to spy on US citizens is talking shit.
 

KingCoelacanth

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This is partially true and why crypto is so heavily regulated in the US compared to European countries. The best exchange (binance) can't even be fully accessed by US citizens.
The US throws its weight around by controlling currency, banks, and imposing sanctions. Bitcoin (especially coins like Monero) allow people to bypass all these controls and transfer funds despite US attempts to stop it.
Obviously crypto isn't a chinese scheme, but its a tool thats very useful for them and pretty much anyone that isn't the US government.
 

DumbDude42

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i guess in an abstract theoretical way he might be on to something
but in practice i dont think iran will be using crypto to get around us oil sanctions any time soon

id me more concerned about china getting control of 51%+ of btc hashing power and deciding to abuse it, cause if they do that they could crash and blow up the entire fucking thing and basically steal or invalidate bitcoins held by US persons at will.
 

TaterFarmer

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Pretty sure Iran has been using crypto already and China has been opening mining operations in Iran.

The 51% threat is not something that could be done "at will" unless you're also talking about flushing the entire system, but there was a double spend recently that was rooted out and ejected w/in a few hours. That event sort of proved that bitcoin has gotten too large for a 51% attack to actually work.
 

gustodog

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Obviously crypto isn't a chinese scheme, but its a tool thats very useful for them and pretty much anyone that isn't the US government.
If it is a Chinese financial weapon then giving the creator a Japanese name to pin it on Japan would certainly fit. ;)

Some state actor's behind it, I'd guess, but who and why I know not.
 

likeacrackado

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Billionaire tech investor Peter Thiel warned about bitcoin’s potential in undermining the US dollar’s position as a global reserve currency and accused Chinese video app TikTok of creating “privacy-invading” technologies in a virtual talk on Tuesday.

Thiel, an outspoken Silicon Valley supporter of former US president Donald Trump and a major investor in cryptocurrencies, shared his opinion in an online seminar centred on US Big Tech and China held by the Richard Nixon Foundation.

“From China’s point of view … they don’t like the US having this reserve currency, because it gives us a lot of leverage over Iranian oil supply chains and all sorts of things like that,” he said.

“I do wonder whether at this point bitcoin should also be thought in part of as a Chinese financial weapon against the US where it threatens fiat money, but it especially threatens the US dollar and China wants to do things to weaken it.”

Some bitcoin investors disagree with Thiel’s assertion.

The bitcoin network is not controlled by any sovereign governments, said Flex Yang, founder and CEO of Hong Kong-based cryptocurrency financial institution Babel Finance.

"It is a collective effort and I hope more people see bitcoin as a global community, beyond individual nation-states,” Yang said.

Thiel
also expressed concerns over what he sees as a security threat posed by TikTok, owned by Beijing-based start-up ByteDance.

“The thing that is problematic about TikTok is that … it has this sort of incredible exfiltration of data about people. You are sort of creating this incredibly privacy-invading map of … a large part of the population of the Western world,” he said.

Thiel suggested that TikTok should be banned in the US, like it has been in India.
“It doesn’t seem like the sort of thing if you shut it down it would be, you know, this economic catastrophe.”

Thiel also criticised some US tech giants for pandering to China.

He said that while the US is still ahead of China in most areas, the latter “has been very good at copying [and] stealing things”, adding that in some cases “a lot of it was just handed over from the West”, citing Google as an example.
“Google was effectively working with the Chinese military, not with the American military,” Thiel said.

“One of the things that I was sort of told by some of the insiders at Google was they figured they might as well give the technology out the front door, because if they didn’t give it, it would get stolen anyway,” he said.
A Google representative called Thiel’s allegations “baseless”.

“We do not work with the Chinese military. We are proud to continue our long history of work with the US government, including the Department of Defence, in many areas including cybersecurity, recruiting and healthcare.”

Thiel said that among the biggest names in Silicon Valley, Apple “is probably the one that’s structurally a real problem, because the whole iPhone supply chain gets made from China.”

The venture capitalist, who sits on Facebook’s board of directors, said that the social network company, as well as Amazon and Microsoft “aren’t naturally pro-China constituency”.
Apple and TikTok did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Thursday.
On Tuesday, Thiel was joined by former US national security adviser Robert O’Brien and former US secretary of state Michael Pompeo, who warned of possible intellectual theft by Chinese students studying in the US.
“I think it makes it riskier to have those students studying here because the capacity for that information to end up in places that benefits the Chinese Communist Party’s model [and] its ideology is pretty significant,” he said.

The comments came as American political and business leaders have been ramping up rhetoric against China’s growing technological ambition.
During this year’s “two sessions”, China’s largest annual political gathering, Chinese Premier Li Keqiang vowed to boost support for research and development initiatives over the next five years and beyond.
Meanwhile US President Joe Bidenhas described China as his country’s “most serious competitor” and has vowed to confront Beijing on various fronts, including human rights and intellectual property.
Earlier this year, a US group led by former Google CEO Eric Schmidt produced a report calling on Washington to manage “asymmetric competition” with China when it comes to technology.
The report said that a certain degree of “bifurcation” would be in US interests.

On Tuesday, Thiel echoed those sentiments, saying that “seeing China in an adversarial way would be a helpful start” for the US in handling its competition against China, although “Silicon Valley has not been that good on this”.

He also suggested that artificial intelligence (AI) is an area in which the US might want to exercise restraint because of its applications in surveillance.
“If crypto is kind of libertarian, AI is kind of communist,” he said.
“Even though we are ahead of basic science of AI, China is willing to apply it and turn the entire society into a face recognition surveillance state … That is something we are not willing to do.”
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Very rich that the billionaire with connections to Mossad who funds efforts to spy on US citizens is talking shit.
Looks like they dug the one thing out of this that would be an unpopular opinion. And even then its a bit of a stretch from what he actually said, to the headline.
 

KingCoelacanth

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i guess in an abstract theoretical way he might be on to something
but in practice i dont think iran will be using crypto to get around us oil sanctions any time soon

id me more concerned about china getting control of 51%+ of btc hashing power and deciding to abuse it, cause if they do that they could crash and blow up the entire fucking thing and basically steal or invalidate bitcoins held by US persons at will.
This would be self-defeating. If any one entity had enough control over btc that they could manipulate the chain as they see fit, then btc would crash and be worthless anyway.
 

Liber Pater

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id me more concerned about china getting control of 51%+ of btc hashing power and deciding to abuse it, cause if they do that they could crash and blow up the entire fucking thing and basically steal or invalidate bitcoins held by US persons at will.
This is another major advantage of Monero. It is ASIC-resistant and has a far more decentralized blockchain. Given it's slow transaction times, non-existent privacy, high financial barriers to access for miners, and vulnerability to manipulation, I just don't see what Bitcoin has to offer over other coins anymore.
BCH and LTC have more utility for commerce, and XMR and Z-cash are better for privacy
 

Pixy

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i guess in an abstract theoretical way he might be on to something
but in practice i dont think iran will be using crypto to get around us oil sanctions any time soon

id me more concerned about china getting control of 51%+ of btc hashing power and deciding to abuse it, cause if they do that they could crash and blow up the entire fucking thing and basically steal or invalidate bitcoins held by US persons at will.
I think Iran has more pressing matters on their hands, like the fact crypto mining is taking down their electricity grids.
 

twozero

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Perhaps the US should stop auctioning off confiscated bitcoin, for starters. Best way to stop China using BTC as a financial weapon (I don’t think this is the case though, they just gave a lot of cheap stranded energy) is to also invest in bitcoin infra, which is the vibe I got from Thiel’s quotes.

Bitcoin’s incentives working as anticipated.
 
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Kosher Dill

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What would happen if China just quit BTC? Shut down all the electricity theft powering the network, outlawed miner manufacturing, and so on? It seems like that would cause more chaos than anything else they could do.
 

twozero

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What would happen if China just quit BTC? Shut down all the electricity theft powering the network, outlawed miner manufacturing, and so on? It seems like that would cause more chaos than anything else they could do.
Blocks would be very slow until next difficulty adjustment which would retarget for ~
10 min block times. In reality though they couldn’t suddenly pull the plug at once so it’d be more gradual. Old ASICS would be viable again as the reduced network hash rate from China disappearing would drop the difficulty big time.

Network damage would be short term, but probably cause a price crash for a while. ASIC manufacturing could move elsewhere too eventually.
 

Kamikaze

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Billionaire tech investor Peter Thiel warned about bitcoin’s potential in undermining the US dollar’s position as a global reserve currency and accused Chinese video app TikTok of creating “privacy-invading” technologies in a virtual talk on Tuesday.

Thiel, an outspoken Silicon Valley supporter of former US president Donald Trump and a major investor in cryptocurrencies, shared his opinion in an online seminar centred on US Big Tech and China held by the Richard Nixon Foundation.

“From China’s point of view … they don’t like the US having this reserve currency, because it gives us a lot of leverage over Iranian oil supply chains and all sorts of things like that,” he said.

“I do wonder whether at this point bitcoin should also be thought in part of as a Chinese financial weapon against the US where it threatens fiat money, but it especially threatens the US dollar and China wants to do things to weaken it.”

Some bitcoin investors disagree with Thiel’s assertion.

The bitcoin network is not controlled by any sovereign governments, said Flex Yang, founder and CEO of Hong Kong-based cryptocurrency financial institution Babel Finance.

"It is a collective effort and I hope more people see bitcoin as a global community, beyond individual nation-states,” Yang said.

Thiel
also expressed concerns over what he sees as a security threat posed by TikTok, owned by Beijing-based start-up ByteDance.

“The thing that is problematic about TikTok is that … it has this sort of incredible exfiltration of data about people. You are sort of creating this incredibly privacy-invading map of … a large part of the population of the Western world,” he said.

Thiel suggested that TikTok should be banned in the US, like it has been in India.
“It doesn’t seem like the sort of thing if you shut it down it would be, you know, this economic catastrophe.”

Thiel also criticised some US tech giants for pandering to China.

He said that while the US is still ahead of China in most areas, the latter “has been very good at copying [and] stealing things”, adding that in some cases “a lot of it was just handed over from the West”, citing Google as an example.
“Google was effectively working with the Chinese military, not with the American military,” Thiel said.

“One of the things that I was sort of told by some of the insiders at Google was they figured they might as well give the technology out the front door, because if they didn’t give it, it would get stolen anyway,” he said.
A Google representative called Thiel’s allegations “baseless”.

“We do not work with the Chinese military. We are proud to continue our long history of work with the US government, including the Department of Defence, in many areas including cybersecurity, recruiting and healthcare.”

Thiel said that among the biggest names in Silicon Valley, Apple “is probably the one that’s structurally a real problem, because the whole iPhone supply chain gets made from China.”

The venture capitalist, who sits on Facebook’s board of directors, said that the social network company, as well as Amazon and Microsoft “aren’t naturally pro-China constituency”.
Apple and TikTok did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Thursday.
On Tuesday, Thiel was joined by former US national security adviser Robert O’Brien and former US secretary of state Michael Pompeo, who warned of possible intellectual theft by Chinese students studying in the US.
“I think it makes it riskier to have those students studying here because the capacity for that information to end up in places that benefits the Chinese Communist Party’s model [and] its ideology is pretty significant,” he said.

The comments came as American political and business leaders have been ramping up rhetoric against China’s growing technological ambition.
During this year’s “two sessions”, China’s largest annual political gathering, Chinese Premier Li Keqiang vowed to boost support for research and development initiatives over the next five years and beyond.
Meanwhile US President Joe Bidenhas described China as his country’s “most serious competitor” and has vowed to confront Beijing on various fronts, including human rights and intellectual property.
Earlier this year, a US group led by former Google CEO Eric Schmidt produced a report calling on Washington to manage “asymmetric competition” with China when it comes to technology.
The report said that a certain degree of “bifurcation” would be in US interests.

On Tuesday, Thiel echoed those sentiments, saying that “seeing China in an adversarial way would be a helpful start” for the US in handling its competition against China, although “Silicon Valley has not been that good on this”.

He also suggested that artificial intelligence (AI) is an area in which the US might want to exercise restraint because of its applications in surveillance.
“If crypto is kind of libertarian, AI is kind of communist,” he said.
“Even though we are ahead of basic science of AI, China is willing to apply it and turn the entire society into a face recognition surveillance state … That is something we are not willing to do.”
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Very rich that the billionaire with connections to Mossad who funds efforts to spy on US citizens is talking shit.
Can you provide info on Thiel's connections to Mossad? Thanks for the article.
 

DumbDude42

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This would be self-defeating. If any one entity had enough control over btc that they could manipulate the chain as they see fit, then btc would crash and be worthless anyway.
yes that would be the entire point. acquire hashing power while selling off all the actual btc you have, preferably to americans, then once your own exposure is zero you crash the entire thing and watch american investors go belly up as you literally burn their investments away.
 

world of shit

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lol, Thiel talking about a weaker dollar from bitcoin while money printers go BRRR^(1000). Thiel doesn't give a shit about US, he only cares about it's owners (Israel and it's satellite state, The Fed)

China owning most of the mining farms is the US and other countries fault for being so retarded for so long about it.
US easily could have had a financial revolution if they heavily invested in crypto in 2017. I would like China to lose some control over crypto though, f2pool keeps on dumping on my shitcoins.
 

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Even though we are ahead of basic science of AI, China is willing to apply it and turn the entire society into a face recognition surveillance state … That is something we are not willing to do.”
Show your vaccine card that has your info before getting on the bus citizen!
 

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