Disaster PG&E has begun cutting power across parts of Northern California. Nearly 800,000 customers will be affected -

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Has California not heard of Asplundh before?
They would never allow them to work there.

It's the same shit in my state. The PowerCo wants to do tree trimming. They used to just clear cut everything in their ROW and be done with it.
But now the towns, local eco nuts and land owners put up roadblocks left and right. When they finally do get the OK and get onsite then the neighborhood nuts come out and harass the tree crews in person.
Finally after much drama they end up having to do the most exceptional job ever of trimming a little hole around the wires because local county bureaucrats know more about what it takes to keep wires safe then the linemen.

Then when winter finally comes a little ice storm or stiff breeze knocks out half the county for a week and these same eco fuckheads get on tv and social media and just scream about how PowerCo isn't restoring the power quick enough. And the same neighborhood nuts who where out harassing the tree crews come out and harass the linemen when they are trying to work to restore power. MY POWER HAS BEEN OUT FOR 8 DAYS THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!REE!! Because yelling at the linemen totally makes him want to work harder. I am sure he will come to that street 1st next time.

I dgaf about any of it anymore. I have a whole house generator with automatic transfer and 1000gallons of propane in the ground. Last ice storm we had I was warm and comfy shitposting on the internet wile everyone else in town was fighting over the last bed in the local fleabag motel. I left the outdoor Xmas lights on day and night. They came back to burst pipes and flooded basements.
 

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They would never allow them to work there.

It's the same shit in my state. The PowerCo wants to do tree trimming. They used to just clear cut everything in their ROW and be done with it.
But now the towns, local eco nuts and land owners put up roadblocks left and right. When they finally do get the OK and get onsite then the neighborhood nuts come out and harass the tree crews in person.
Finally after much drama they end up having to do the most exceptional job ever of trimming a little hole around the wires because local county bureaucrats know more about what it takes to keep wires safe then the linemen.

Then when winter finally comes a little ice storm or stiff breeze knocks out half the county for a week and these same eco fuckheads get on tv and social media and just scream about how PowerCo isn't restoring the power quick enough. And the same neighborhood nuts who where out harassing the tree crews come out and harass the linemen when they are trying to work to restore power. MY POWER HAS BEEN OUT FOR 8 DAYS THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!REE!! Because yelling at the linemen totally makes him want to work harder. I am sure he will come to that street 1st next time.

I dgaf about any of it anymore. I have a whole house generator with automatic transfer and 1000gallons of propane in the ground. Last ice storm we had I was warm and comfy shitposting on the internet wile everyone else in town was fighting over the last bed in the local fleabag motel. I left the outdoor Xmas lights on day and night. They came back to burst pipes and flooded basements.
Personally, I believe that they should conscript the local eco-nuts and the assholes who fuck with the regulations to be involuntary linemen during and after storms.

Don't train them or anything. Just make them go out there and follow the directions of the real linemen.

Oh, and hire some big black dudes, give them whips, and tell them "Feel free to whip whitey till your nogborhood has power again."

That'd stop that shit right quick.

Why don't we just put all the power lines underground? I'm serious. There must be some reason.
Oh shit, NOW you've done it. You'll have every buffalo fucker whining about "Muh burial grounds!" and every eco-freak whining about topsoil and water tables. Then you have the earthquakes in SoCal that would sever lines quickly. Then you have the fact that in some cases the land owner won't let them dig it up but they'll allow the power lines. Then you have figuring out where the goddamn line is busted underground compared to looking at the towers and going "Yup, that one fell over..." and all the other stuff.

They have moved a LOT of power lines underground, especially after Oakland and Comptom started claiming that power lines made their kids into exceptional faggots in the 1990's.

No matter what they do, there's going to be problems. Underground is just worse in a lot of areas.
 

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Most hospitals have their own sources of back-up power, and many of the affected areas are opening shelters for people affected.
Doesn't seem like a good enough solution, really. How many fridges are they going to have in this shelter? Someone has to go live in a shelter and miss work so they can take their medication?
 

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California really is the asshole of the nation.

Makes me feel slightly better about living in the Deep South. Sure, our education system sucks, our legal system is a web of corruption and religious meddling, the state of our roads would embarrass a third world nation, and our idea of Chinese food doesn't extend past Panda Express...

... But at least we're not fucking California.
California's education system is a sham. On the low end it's a holding pen for nigglets and spiclets, on the high end it's a chain migration beachfront for zhongs and Pajeets.
 

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Does it cost more than maintaining and cleaning them properly and replacing them when trees fall on them? I'm sure it depends a lot on the area but, I mean, some countries do this.
Not if you can clear trees. And the infrastructure is built on the expectation that you can clear trees.
 
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Does it cost more than maintaining and cleaning them properly and replacing them when trees fall on them? I'm sure it depends a lot on the area but, I mean, some countries do this.
It absolutely costs more.

To :powerlevel: a bit, I used to sling cable for a major cable corporation at one time in Southern Oregon/NorCal. Storms or wild-fires would hit, the lines would get fucked up.

Above ground lines, I could wire a mile or two of cable up within a day or so just by myself even if the cable was burnt down to the shielding. I could quickly and easily ID downed lines and fix them. Hell, a cable line in the street I could have fixed in 30 minutes. Just strap on my cleats, grab the cable, throw it over my shoulder and hook a loop to my d-ring, shimmy up the pole, fix that shit in minutes.

Below ground lines, well... They aren't fireproof. Most lines were at a depth of about 6 inches so that they didn't interfere with the water table, or in some cases, because that's all the topsoil there is. A wildfire would end up melting the shielding. That means getting out the backhoe (because FUCK using a shovel. That's right up there with wearing a tri-cornered hat and tying an onion on my belt) and tracing the line with a detector and having it all dug up. Digging it up takes time, laying down new line takes time, then burying it, then having the county/state come out and inspect the work to make sure you didn't spill diesel fuel everywhere or leave a huge oil slick. Then that gets checked off.

You're looking at: soil compression from the treads, ground contamination, environmental inspectors, linemen to replace the cable, moving a backhoe and/or bulldozer out there, running tests, hoping the fucking driver doesn't cut your newly laid cable (If I had a dollar for every time that dumb fucking spic cut the new line with a bulldozer I'd be fucking rich) when they cover the lines.

That's IF the county doesn't require the cabling to be buried in PVC or concrete pipe to "protect the environment" because they're exceptional individuals who don't understand the kind of nasty buildup those pipes get.

I've worked next to electrical company guys doing this shit after storms/disasters, and it's pretty much the same except their shit will blow your fucking arms off if its wired wrong and mine just accidentally replaces Gramma's QVC network with hard-core Swedish BDSM porn due to signal degradation dropping the channels down.
 

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Also lest we forget that burying power lines in a land prone to frequent (and sometimes massive) earthquakes isn't the best idea. If an earthquake happens all you need to do with poles is place new ones and fix the electrical lines.
 

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Does it cost more than maintaining and cleaning them properly and replacing them when trees fall on them? I'm sure it depends a lot on the area but, I mean, some countries do this.
Proper maintenance doesn't cost that much when you hire Asplundh and tell them just go scorched earth on every right of way. No permits and have the police on standby to arrest harassers.When the Right Of Way was respected this is how it worked. We had reliable power. Don't like them cutting in the ROW then don't buy land with one on it.

Now the cost of preventive maintenance becomes an issue when every single telephone pole turns in to a Board Of Zoning meeting or court case. It becomes cheaper to just do storm resto after failures then.

Lots of new construction is underground because it makes sense to do that before the streets and sidewalks are put in.
It doesn't make any sense to do it to existing plant because it wouldn't be just moving some wires. You would have to cut up roads, sidewalks, drivways, etc. You would have to pay to reconfigure peoples homes from arial service drops to underground. In places that have winter you have to go below the frostline so now you have to get the water/gas/sewer companies involved.

And if your getting rid of telephone poles you also need to get the TelCo and CATVco to put up money to move their shit.
The copper TelCo's are all a second away from bankruptcy and Comcast couldn't give 2 shits about reliability.
 

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Proper maintenance doesn't cost that much when you hire Asplundh and tell them just go scorched earth on every right of way. No permits and have the police on standby to arrest harassers.When the Right Of Way was respected this is how it worked. We had reliable power. Don't like them cutting in the ROW then don't buy land with one on it.

Now the cost of preventive maintenance becomes an issue when every single telephone pole turns in to a Board Of Zoning meeting or court case. It becomes cheaper to just do storm resto after failures then.

Lots of new construction is underground because it makes sense to do that before the streets and sidewalks are put in.
It doesn't make any sense to do it to existing plant because it wouldn't be just moving some wires. You would have to cut up roads, sidewalks, drivways, etc. You would have to pay to reconfigure peoples homes from arial service drops to underground. In places that have winter you have to go below the frostline so now you have to get the water/gas/sewer companies involved.

And if your getting rid of telephone poles you also need to get the TelCo and CATVco to put up money to move their shit.
The copper TelCo's are all a second away from bankruptcy and Comcast couldn't give 2 shits about reliability.
I do like living in a neighborhood where we have always had underground (not in Cali so earthquakes are not a problem), but recently we had a long period of downtime and the work crews that showed up had mini backhoes and other major equipment to work in a neighbor's yard who I know has some big square thing in their backyard (transformer? I don't know) and they were around the neighborhood in different areas for several weeks after the power outage. But then the transformers and such are hitting 30+ years.

On the other hand we usually have power back in hours, compared to the older parts of the city who lost power during a bad wind storm for weeks as they had to take down trees and repair lines.
 
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PG&E worker reportedly shot at in Colusa County


OAKLAND, Calif. - A PG&E worker was reportedly shot at Tuesday evening in the Colusa County, according to California Highway Patrol.

The incident was reported around 7:48 p.m. by a PG&E employee who told officers he traveling in a marked company vehicle along Interstate 5, just north of the Maxwell Rest Area, when a white pickup truck pulled up next to him.


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CHP confirming they are investigating report that a PG&E vehicle was shot at on I-5 in Colusa County approx 7:45pm Tuesday. Worker who was driving marked PG&E vehicle was not injured. Reports hearing what sounded like a gunshot and window shattered.
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He told officers he then heard what sounded like a gunshot and his passenger window was shattered.

The employee said he feels he was targeted for being in a PG&E vehicle. CHP says it's investigating whether a bullet or projectile shattered the window.

PG&E issued a statement regarding the incident saying the safety of its customers and employees is paramount:

The safety of our customers and employees is PG&E’s primary responsibility. We know that turning off the power for safety is not popular with some, but it is needed for public safety. Our employees are working hard to ensure that our system operates safely and that power will be restored quickly after the weather passes. We remind our customers that our employees are your neighbors and they are out in our service area doing their jobs.
No injuries were reported.
 
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