Police and Prison Abolishment -

[Yaoi Huntress Earth]

With what has happened to that poor man who was killed during his arrest, the raise of ACAB and people who want to do away with the police as a whole has come. Having grown up with a police lieutenant father has made me a little bias, but I can't help thinking that the world these people want would be worse than what we have.

• Someone suggested that social service workers could do the same things cops do and in the case of bank robberies, it's better to just give them the money, let the insurance handle it and nothing else.
• The common excuse I hear for when the prison abolishment people are asked about violent criminals is that they rarely get caught so why worry.
• I'm curious how many of these people are pro-second amendment since this would mean more criminals running around.
• One thing I find interesting is that they hate cops, but find nothing wrong with the FBI.

I agree there should be prison and police reform, but this is throwing the baby out with the bath water, don't you think?

 

[NIGGER ASS PEE POOPY RAPE]

getting arrested for bullshit that shouldn't be illegal all the time might make me a little biased, but I hope all cops (and FBI, etc.) die. weak people who depend on cops to protect them should also die then all that would be left is strong alpha male Chads such as myself, women and blacks would be enslaved again and the world would be like heaven.

 

[Stephanie Bustcakes]

• Someone suggested that social service workers could do the same things cops do and in the case of bank robberies, it's better to just give them the money, let the insurance handle it and nothing else.
• The common excuse I hear for when the prison abolishment people are asked about violent criminals is that they rarely get caught so why worry.

Both of these things are kept from happening by fear of law enforcement. Without it anyone could and would rob a bank anytime they wanted.

 

[oldTireWater]

getting arrested for bullshit that shouldn't be illegal all the time might make me a little biased

Are you a bum?

 

[NerdShamer]

Prisons exist to keep the murders and rapists off the street. And before you tell me to give them an body pillow or throw them in the Army, I want to point out that things will get worse without some degree of accountability.

 

[Orion Balls]

getting arrested for bullshit that shouldn't be illegal all the time might make me a little biased, but I hope all cops (and FBI, etc.) die. weak people who depend on cops to protect them should also die then all that would be left is strong alpha male Chads such as myself, women and blacks would be enslaved again and the world would be like heaven.

You're a pothead who gets hassled, occasionally. Oh, boo hoo. Also, don't wish death on folk. It's childish. Revenge is best served to the living. That's why prisons exist. (Because, they sure aren't socially rehabilitating people.)

 

[Son of Odin]

Prisons exist to keep the murders and rapists off the street.

Why not just shoot them and be done with it? Instead of using taxpayer money to feed and shelter them for the rest of their lives. Yes, I agree that the courts need reformed so that they don't kill innocent people who were wrongfully convicted, but prisons are a waste of taxpayer money in my opinion. Everyone in prison is there either because they're so dangerous that they're not fit to live among society or for bullshit laws.

 

[verissimus]

Yeah...no, especially if such people also are against the 2nd amendment.

 

[NerdShamer]

Why not just shoot them and be done with it? Instead of using taxpayer money to feed and shelter them for the rest of their lives. Yes, I agree that the courts need reformed so that they don't kill innocent people who were wrongfully convicted, but prisons are a waste of taxpayer money in my opinion. Everyone in prison is there either because they're so dangerous that they're not fit to live among society or for bullshit laws.

It'll traumatize the executioners and lethal injection is expensive.

But seriously, there isn't an lot of convient, affordable resources for the mentally ill and it costs an fortune to run and navigate the legal system. And outside of just printing and throwing money at it, why not focus on rehabilitation? Oh, right, recidivism is an thing.

Honestly, some people are just born too crazy, violent, or dumb to function in society when I think about it.

 

[NIGGER ASS PEE POOPY RAPE]

You're a pothead who gets hassled, occasionally. Oh, boo hoo. Also, don't wish death on folk. It's childish. Revenge is best served to the living. That's why prisons exist. (Because, they sure aren't socially rehabilitating people.)

yeah I'm sure all the rioters are going to arrest all the cops and put them in prison for being cops, that's a very deep thought. also I do much harder drugs than pot and many other illegal things like driving while drunk and high at the same time and vandalism and public nudity and hilarious pranks like throwing dog turds at people so call me childish again and see what happens kiddo

It'll traumatize the executioners and lethal injection is expensive.

there are plenty of psychos who would sign up to do it for minimum wage or even free and a bullet to the brain is cheap and even more humane than lethal injection.

 

[Yaoi Huntress Earth]

Prisons exist to keep the murders and rapists off the street. And before you tell me to give them an body pillow or throw them in the Army, I want to point out that things will get worse without some degree of accountability.

The prison abolishists believe that if they talk enough with the rapist/murderer (even together with their victims), they will realize how they hurt others and want to make amends.

 

[DumbDude42]

the simple reality is that the law needs to be enforced, otherwise there is no law, and when there is no law there is no order, no state.
what happens when there is no state? people start forming armed organisations to fill the power vacuum. gangs, militias, religious groups, private armies, all that stuff. these groups become territorial and start enforcing their own rules, thus marking the return of law enforcement - only now it's a different set of laws being enforced, by a different set of people, under different operational procedures. no more lengthy investigations and jury trials, instead you get arbitrary judgements based on power and popularity, and summary executions.
tl;dr anybody saying "abolish police" is either a brainless moron or a psychopathic lunatic.

The prison abolishists believe that if they talk enough with the rapist/murderer (even together with their victims), they will realize how they hurt others and want to make amends.

these people are straight up deluded and in denial of reality.

 

[NerdShamer]

The prison abolishists believe that if they talk enough with the rapist/murderer (even together with their victims), they will realize how they hurt others and want to make amends.

They do realize psychology doesn't always work? Along with psych meds, counciling, employment...

 

[Watermelanin]

They do realize psychology doesn't always work? Along with psych meds, counciling, employment...

If normal psychology doesn't work, we can always try reverse psychology.

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

Yeah so Norway make their prisons into comfortable, soothing spaces and staff them with people who are trained to actually deal with the prisoners issues. They offer things like counselling, psychiatric treatments, family therapy and vocational training so that the prisoners leave with a better sense of who they are and what they can achieve on the outside. Violent lunatics aside, most criminals are people who have underlying issues that cause them to behave a certain way, be that violence or theft or whatever. Reinforcing the idea that they're worthless perpetuates that behavior and you end up with repeat offenders coming out of your ass. Imbue somebody with a sense of self worth, and show them the worth in other people and they stop lashing out. The small minority of people who are 'wired' for crime, or who simply don't respond to the system are kept inside, but Norway has a ludicrously low re offending rate (20% vs the US' 70%). People don't like the idea of a kinder prison environment because they don't like the idea of prisoners not being punished but actually if you view prisons as places to fix broken people and sort out and store the irreparable ones rather than just places to make people miserable for a few years you end up with a better society as a whole. Also, less re offending means a vastly lower prison population and a huge reduction in spending of taxpayer money.

Abolitionists are fucking dumb as shit however.

 

[Oban Lazcano Kamz]

easy, just kill every person convicted of a crime. treat everything like murder and start executing people publicly

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

easy, just kill every person convicted of a crime. treat everything like murder and start executing people publicly

China did that, and as a result their criminal underworld was so large and strong during the Imperial period that it acted like a second government.

 

[Oban Lazcano Kamz]

China did that, and as a result their criminal underworld was so large and strong during the Imperial period that it acted like a second government.

america isnt china

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

america isnt china

The Europeans did this during much of the Middle Ages, and as a result, there were literal bandit armies.
Here, let me quote Drakon (the man who is the reason we refer to incredibly harsh jurisprudence as 'Draconic") on why he stopped punishing every single crime with execution: "I believe all crimes merit death; but if I punish public obscenity with death, I have nothing worse with which to punish murder".

 

[Jewthulhu]

They do realize psychology doesn't always work? Along with psych meds, counciling, employment...

>Doesn't always
Try never. The best we can do is try to suppress symptoms, but the underlying psychological issue is usually next to impossible to actually treat. And for personality disorders (which many if not most violent offenders have), we can't even suppress the symptoms effectively.