Okay, okay, but I can't be there for it so somebody better be recording!!!!1!!
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A hush goes over the crowd as it slowly dawns on everyone: Jace read their posts. He even liked some of them.
In all seriousness, it was my dislike of that sort of "extreme" marketing that drew my attention to Jace in the first place. I went to high school with guys like Jace (and this was 15+ years ago, mind you). I bought weed from scumbags who could have been Deagle Nation soldiers. I stumbled into terrible house parties where the Deagle Nation lifestyle was in full effect. Getting a chance to revisit that world as a relatively functional adult, and joining in with a crew of people to pick apart the absurdity, has been one of the highlights of the last year or so.
Also, when I was recovering from surgery, you made me laugh so hard my stitches came out. I can always say I bled for Deagle Nation.
DeagleDad420
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Liked them doesn't begin to describe it. You motherfuckers are really funny... the fan art cracked me up.
And yeah, this stuff is all essentially "real" - these people most definitely DO exist - just not in the condensed, neatly packaged form Jace was. Jace was Reality Plus, he was an exaggerated, sitcom version of people and events that have actually happened, because I've met and seen many of them. There are people out there who would legitimately join Deagle Nation if they could, and if they didn't know the full exent of how crazy it was. And THAT is the true magic here.
Jace may have been fake, but Deagle Nation was always real, and it will always BE real, and there's nothing me or you or anyone else can do about that. The jigsaw pieces that made up this ridiculous puzzle were always real people and real subcultures and events, so it's not even as much as I "made it up" as I combined the most disgusting things I could.
Deagle Nation is around you everywhere: at college parties, at Gamestops, and in the living rooms of 16-year-old XBox Live gamers from Nebraska.
And I'm pressing 1 for them, because they ensure that even though this is over, we will ALWAYS have something to laugh at.
This is precisely why I thought Jace was legit. Back in highschool I knew sooooo many people that, had they been a tad crazier, could have totally turned out like him.
The Jace persona has left me permanently unable to stop using "chaaaah" as a response to funny things. Even the psychiatrist says it may be permanent brain damage from overexposure to estrogen in Mountain Dew. I think I'll go napalm Minnesota now, sounds reasonable.
Well, that makes sense, and I don't hold it against you that anything with Jace turned out the way it did. Congratulations on an incredible bit of acting and ad-libbing. As a satire on machismo, American culture, mental illness, moms, autists and GamerGate (shudder), I don't think it could have been done in a more immersive way. I'm pleased that it never took over your life to the extent that I thought it might have done, and that no-one got hurt through the course of the ruse (although I imagine the Pruis flipping must've been a bit of a crucial danger situation). To be honest I think you should keep all this shit in a portfolio and use it to make a shitload of money from TV or something, because of the thoroughness of the whole project. Granted, it helped that you were able to keep a handle on people busting you through the guise of Deagle Dad, subtly steering people away from dangerous/illegal/compromising avenues of investigation, but I think you genuinely pulled off an extremely impressive bit of trolling.Incoming really boring and unfunny post, do not read this if you don't want your immersion ruined
Hi Wacht. Out of all the replies to this thread I wanted to reply to you and answer some of those questions, hopefully make you feel a little bit more satisfied with the real answers than your own personal speculation, because your videos have been fantastic and really made me laugh, and you genuinely seem like an intelligent and cool guy who really "got it". So I owe you an explanation, if nothing else. You deserve it and I'm overjoyed you got some entertainment out of this ridiculous bullshit.
And yes, I'm Jan, I've been Jan all along - but I never posted that first thread on /k/; that was actually (awesome) coincidence. In truth I didn't even WANT for it to take off then; I hadn't finished building his "backstory" yet - I had originally intended Fuck Yeah Deagles to be like, an internet prescence Jace held for a while and went unnoticed by everybody (like a side story) and then after he was "established" original idea was to then make a few videos on the MDE channel as a far more ridiculous character. He was supposed to be obsessed with using parkour to do everything, thought of it as a "martial art", and said they were the "ultimate athlete" and a bunch of other ridiculous shit. Of course when I came up with this I was fat as fuck which was obviously going to add to the ridiculousness of his claims. But then /k/ found it, and unexpectedly everyone went crazy over it so I just ran with it as if he was a lolcow (and a real person) and not some absurd character. I never even intended the "idiot gets gun facts wrong" thing to be the main thrust of it, it just sort of happened. I CERTAINLY never imagined I'd be doing this shit for two years but the continuous attitude was "why not" and "it's funny"
I don't see it as "sad" myself, it was kind of more of a weird hobby than anything. I didn't put as much effort into it as most people think, to be honest, it was like 8-10 hours a week or less depending on how much free time I had, probably peaked at about 15 hrs/week when I was super "on" and doing really intense constant livestreams and videos.... Some people waste time building model train sets, creating fantasy football leagues, or gardening, or playing World of Warcraft, I waste my free time creating satire. It's just something I enjoy doing, and it seemed that after a while, other people unexpectedly enjoyed it too. So I kept doing it. There was no master plan, no "endgame", and I never wanted to get anything out of it than a few cheap laughs. I don't feel like I "lost" anything or it cost me anything at all, I don't really give a shit if my name is out there as some performance artist/GamerGate terrorist/whatever shit they're spinning now. I did it because I thought the character was funny and it made me laugh.
And the dox thing - that was shitty, I regretted it immediately after I realised the ramifications and I wish I could take it back now - the original, misguided, idea was to make it more "immersive" or convincing as like, that's totally something this paranoid, delusional man would do - I thought, "if Jace was real, he'd make these insane, highly detailed dossiers on all these people, but he'd get most of the essential facts dead wrong, because he's so delusional..." which eventually lead to the Hater Hitlist videos. When I said your name etc. I tried to sort of slur through it really incoherently so people wouldn't really be able to make any sense of it but hopefully you/some other people would see it and be like "jesus christ this dude is really fucked up" which I guess worked
Not everything I did was for the sake of being "funny" - ESPECIALLY in the first year or so - the humor in Jace was EXTREMELY deadpan and subtle up until about the Hater Hitlist which I would probably mark as the turning point where the funny ridiculous aspects of him became a lot more exaggerated. But he wasn't always 100% supposed to be "funny", I wanted to use Jace to explore other things that were interesting to me, one of which was the ramifications of severe mental illness, and the ramifications of someone who refused to grow up and was just completely immersed in shit-tier "cool guy badass" culture to the point where they could barely function. Jace is both tragic and hilarious because he's the embodiment of the most fucked up, dysfunctional person I could possibly imagine.
You can't have him as being "funny" all the time, because mentally ill people are not like that. Mentally ill people are often very scary, or more often, very very depressing stories, because while their behaviors may be really weird and funny (i.e. thinking the illuminati was sending homosexual wolf ghosts to kill their souls) they're still human beings under all that. So I tried to do things that would express a "darker" side of him every now and then, like the "doxxing" thing, or the crying on the Sims 3, not as some "artsy" statement and not to "make people think" but to make it more believable and to add another layer to the character so he wasn't just a one-dimensional strawman. With Jace, you were never supposed to be sure whether to laugh at him, cry for him, or be afraid of what he could do - that added to the "mystique" of the character because you never know what to expect, and that made him more "real". He is fundamentally unpredictable and it's very difficult to understand his motivations, which is what makes him compelling to watch.
Jace's stupid "cool guy" persona he built around himself was way funnier to me than "ITS A DIIIICK" could ever have been. I wanted to create something that was not just "funny" in the sense of a cheap joke, but a genuine, exhaustive depiction of Mountain Dew culture taken to it's most horrific and absurd possible extreme.
I suppose the only thing left to ask is - what the fuck is going to happen now Team Gamerfood/8chan/whatever are chimping hard?
See, I love Jace so much more now that I know all the nuance and thought that went into building fleshed out, relatable character. Jace had way more substance than the vast majority of film characters I've seen the past few years.
Now, I don't want us to ruin the livestream with too many questions, but Jan I gotta know: was there ever a planned story arc for Jace’s Dad? Would we ever find out more details or was it just a detail added in to account for a missing parent and to drive a narrative of a broken home?
Take a trip into a CoD lobby on any given evening and you'll see the MLG culture in full force. Hell, I even see it every now and then in Battlefield. It's sad that the Jace persona has to go the way it does, but that's life sometimes. It would've been awesome to see a girl gamer antagonist to go up against Jace, especially with all the Gamergate stuff. It would've been funny to see how Jace would react to something like that.
Inb4 Jan makes his mom do a "GamerGail" saga. The MLG culture is real though and I certify what CaptainDong has said. I've seen gamer kiddies who can barely move a mouse, demand a 4K 240HZ screen because they think they're the next fatality.
StupidSexyFlanders
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Just please, PLEASE tell me the ride isn't over! This has been the most entertaining thing i've witnessed in years. Knowing Jace isn't real doesn't take anything away from that, it's like WWE dude.
I could seriously see this going like TCR did after most fans more or less figured out Ghost was fake and he just played on that. He upped the showmanship and created a weird mix of humour where he was "in" on the listeners, but he was still Ghost and never broke character.
I could seriously see this going like TCR did after most fans more or less figured out Ghost was fake and he just played on that. He upped the showmanship and created a weird mix of humour where he was "in" on the listeners, but he was still Ghost and never broke character.
IMO, despite him being an exaggeration of Dew culture, one of my favorite things about Jace is that he wasn't a douche all the time. There were times when he legitimately cared for his friends. That's probably how he got so popular on this forum, since most lolcows are just selfish sexual deviants.Incoming really boring and unfunny post, do not read this if you don't want your immersion ruined
Hi Wacht. Out of all the replies to this thread I wanted to reply to you and answer some of those questions, hopefully make you feel a little bit more satisfied with the real answers than your own personal speculation, because your videos have been fantastic and really made me laugh, and you genuinely seem like an intelligent and cool guy who really "got it". So I owe you an explanation, if nothing else. You deserve it and I'm overjoyed you got some entertainment out of this ridiculous bullshit.
And yes, I'm Jan, I've been Jan all along - but I never posted that first thread on /k/; that was actually (awesome) coincidence. In truth I didn't even WANT for it to take off then; I hadn't finished building his "backstory" yet - I had originally intended Fuck Yeah Deagles to be like, an internet prescence Jace held for a while and went unnoticed by everybody (like a side story) and then after he was "established" original idea was to then make a few videos on the MDE channel as a far more ridiculous character. He was supposed to be obsessed with using parkour to do everything, thought of it as a "martial art", and said they were the "ultimate athlete" and a bunch of other ridiculous shit. Of course when I came up with this I was fat as fuck which was obviously going to add to the ridiculousness of his claims. But then /k/ found it, and unexpectedly everyone went crazy over it so I just ran with it as if he was a lolcow (and a real person) and not some absurd character. I never even intended the "idiot gets gun facts wrong" thing to be the main thrust of it, it just sort of happened. I CERTAINLY never imagined I'd be doing this shit for two years but the continuous attitude was "why not" and "it's funny"
I don't see it as "sad" myself, it was kind of more of a weird hobby than anything. I didn't put as much effort into it as most people think, to be honest, it was like 8-10 hours a week or less depending on how much free time I had, probably peaked at about 15 hrs/week when I was super "on" and doing really intense constant livestreams and videos.... Some people waste time building model train sets, creating fantasy football leagues, or gardening, or playing World of Warcraft, I waste my free time creating satire. It's just something I enjoy doing, and it seemed that after a while, other people unexpectedly enjoyed it too. So I kept doing it. There was no master plan, no "endgame", and I never wanted to get anything out of it than a few cheap laughs. I don't feel like I "lost" anything or it cost me anything at all, I don't really give a shit if my name is out there as some performance artist/GamerGate terrorist/whatever shit they're spinning now. I did it because I thought the character was funny and it made me laugh.
And the dox thing - that was shitty, I regretted it immediately after I realised the ramifications and I wish I could take it back now - the original, misguided, idea was to make it more "immersive" or convincing as like, that's totally something this paranoid, delusional man would do - I thought, "if Jace was real, he'd make these insane, highly detailed dossiers on all these people, but he'd get most of the essential facts dead wrong, because he's so delusional..." which eventually lead to the Hater Hitlist videos. When I said your name etc. I tried to sort of slur through it really incoherently so people wouldn't really be able to make any sense of it but hopefully you/some other people would see it and be like "jesus christ this dude is really fucked up" which I guess worked
Not everything I did was for the sake of being "funny" - ESPECIALLY in the first year or so - the humor in Jace was EXTREMELY deadpan and subtle up until about the Hater Hitlist which I would probably mark as the turning point where the funny ridiculous aspects of him became a lot more exaggerated. But he wasn't always 100% supposed to be "funny", I wanted to use Jace to explore other things that were interesting to me, one of which was the ramifications of severe mental illness, and the ramifications of someone who refused to grow up and was just completely immersed in shit-tier "cool guy badass" culture to the point where they could barely function. Jace is both tragic and hilarious because he's the embodiment of the most fucked up, dysfunctional person I could possibly imagine.
You can't have him as being "funny" all the time, because mentally ill people are not like that. Mentally ill people are often very scary, or more often, very very depressing stories, because while their behaviors may be really weird and funny (i.e. thinking the illuminati was sending homosexual wolf ghosts to kill their souls) they're still human beings under all that. So I tried to do things that would express a "darker" side of him every now and then, like the "doxxing" thing, or the crying on the Sims 3, not as some "artsy" statement and not to "make people think" but to make it more believable and to add another layer to the character so he wasn't just a one-dimensional strawman. With Jace, you were never supposed to be sure whether to laugh at him, cry for him, or be afraid of what he could do - that added to the "mystique" of the character because you never know what to expect, and that made him more "real". He is fundamentally unpredictable and it's very difficult to understand his motivations, which is what makes him compelling to watch.
Jace's stupid "cool guy" persona he built around himself was way funnier to me than "ITS A DIIIICK" could ever have been. I wanted to create something that was not just "funny" in the sense of a cheap joke, but a genuine, exhaustive depiction of Mountain Dew culture taken to it's most horrific and absurd possible extreme.
Running OT for a minute...Personally, I have a love/hate relationship with the squeakers. If I want to play and relax, I'll play Battlefield (just because there isn't lobby chat and if someone's annoying in squad, switch squads), but if I want to rustle jimmies, I'll throw in CoD. And I haven't noticed it *as bad* on PC (but then again I play PC late at night after squeakers are asleep lol), but omg the 360...I've gotten so many weird ass messages on the 360, and most of them are from other women.
Back OT...Idk, a 'GamerGail' saga wouldn't have worked imo. she's too straight cut to jump into the MLG world. Could you honestly see Gail trying to play CoD? It would be funny to see her reactions to the squeakers with the whole 'omg I totes fucked ur mom' mentality they all have, but actually watching her try to play would've just been painful to watch because she fits the 'Candy Crush Saga' game and would just look like a fish out of water.
Death of the Author, in this case.
Danzou
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Just wanted to echo everybody else in remarking what a wonderful performance it's all been. To create a character that wasn't immediately obvious as a complete ruse took some skill, and reading this postmortem discussion, knowing now that all that analysis Deagledad was doing was on the level of what went into the character... for as much as I posted about how it wouldn't take an impossibly master artist to pull all this off, I do think it was indeed a master work. I alwas held that I was into Deagle Nation not for the sake of enjoying the real existence of Jace, but because of how it reminded me of the real existence of people from my own experience. I'm just rambling over the same points others have made, but I wanted to drop in before the livestream and give one final salute to the whole project. Thanks for creating one of the most engaging and entertaining events I've ever been a part of, Jan. Thanks for the laughs, and Semper Fidelis.
What's brilliant is that you guys took all of these irritating gamerbro stoner stereotypes and made one of the most likeable characters ever. Virtually everyone who followed this was 100% cheering for Commander Striker to triumph over his enemies. People were breaking their 1 keys when he schooled Ruben G. Baron. People wanted to blaze up with Jace and Eli. I was legit worried if he would ever get therapy or medication.
All of this. I think what made Jace my favorite lolcow, was that he was clearly a victim of his mental illness. He honestly seemed to have little control over his own life. He also was able to display sympathy; when he got emotional over Tyce, when he started freaking out because he believed Ivan had one of the listeners hostage, his apparently genuine joy at being able to buy Eli his XBox and that same joy at seeing Eli's reaction to receiving it. It's hard to say Jace was a good person, but compared to most lolcows, who are selfish and often even hateful people, beyond what can be attributed to their mental disabilities, he was a saint. Many times I honestly felt very bad for Jace because of his apparent schizophrenia. Most cows make me feel annoyance, a bit of frustration, and even a bit of anger here and there, but Jace... Jace I actually liked. And you, Jan, did a truly astounding job making him seem very real, as did the actors who played Tyce and Eli. You motherfuckers actually had me convinced there was a guy out there who was so stupid that he didn't even fully understand what skeletons actually were. In retrospect it's ridiculous that I believed it. But I did.
I gotta run in about five minutes so I'm going to miss the stream. I hope there's a recap. But I will leave you with my heartfelt congratulations, as well as my thanks for the months and months of sheer entertainment.
zap2theextreme
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Just wanted to say great job on creating compelling and funny characters. Even though Jace/Tyce were amalgamations of the worst things about gamer dew culture they still ended up being very sympathetic characters.
semper fidelis my dudes
semper fidelis my dudes
Dude, you had me fooled. You were entertaining and I thank you for that. There were times when your videos uplifted me when I was feeling shitty and down about myself. So thank you for that.
I wanted to call in but I don't have a mic on this laptop. I wanted to tell you that you need to go to Hollywood, find a good agent and actually get into TVs or movies because your acting abilities are astounding.
Also, I have a question and perhaps you don't remember this but when you were making Jace getting into conspiracy theories, I called in on Fact Zone and gave you a website, Vigilant Citizen to check out and I wanted to know, did you ever check it out?
Anyways, my hat is off to you Jan, excellent superb job. Good luck in your future endeavors.
I wanted to call in but I don't have a mic on this laptop. I wanted to tell you that you need to go to Hollywood, find a good agent and actually get into TVs or movies because your acting abilities are astounding.
Also, I have a question and perhaps you don't remember this but when you were making Jace getting into conspiracy theories, I called in on Fact Zone and gave you a website, Vigilant Citizen to check out and I wanted to know, did you ever check it out?
Anyways, my hat is off to you Jan, excellent superb job. Good luck in your future endeavors.
Yup. I was dealing with someone literally as dumb and delusional as Eli while Tupacalypse was going on, which was a huge part of why I suspended any doubts I had.
