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  1. I don't think I need to make it known that the PK article on the wiki is garbage. There's no citations, it's missing details and some of it's wrong, the writing is way too informal, etc. Given how much dirt there is on PK, I felt it was pretty inexcusable to leave it like that, so I tried to write my own draft of the thing:

    https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Melanie_Herring

    Obviously, it's not finished. There's a few big sections left unwritten as of yet, but I've been staring at it all day and I'm fucking sick of doing that. My biggest concern is if I should be referring to them by their real names, given that they don't really identify under them but don't try to hide them either.

    Other than that, thoughts?

    Edit: My draft is now the main article. The link above has changed to reflect that.

    Edit: Additional articles related to PK are listed below:
    https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Category:Lolcow_articles_on_Melanie_Herring
    https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Associates_of_Melanie_Herring
    https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/PMD-Explorers
     
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    #1 Sergeant Politeness, Feb 25, 2017
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  2. Post it and edit it when you can, you don't have to do it all at once.
     
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  3. Replying to this from the main PK thread:
    I'll have to wait until the weekend, but I should be okay to go through some links then. Feel free to send stuff my way and I'll get to it when I have the time.
     
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  4. While I'm waiting for Null to merge the articles, here are some things I was thinking about:
    1. Separate articles for Eevee and Marl. The Lolcow Wiki is set up specifically to give every cow their own category, and while I think this is overkill, especially when it comes to more minor cows, it comes in handy when cows have lots of projects and people connected to them. Articles shouldn't be judged on length, but completeness. Eevee has his own internet footprint, and "justifying child pornography" bit alone makes him a person of interest. The harder one is Marl. While Marl's been decently active on the Floraverse Discord, I'm not sure if a handful of Discord screenshots, some archived Tumblr posts about PMD-E, and an anonymous account without real, substantive evidence of him trying to groom someone underage would make for a particularly worthwhile article.
    2. Separate articles on PMD-E and Floraverse. This is a little more of a no-brainer. This takes the pressure off the PK article for information about the two, we can use more images and stills from comics (which is actually pretty important and a weak spot of mine), and the individual fuckups can be written about in more detail.
    3. Auditing and sorting of sources. TheInfamousJ's posts were a bitch to work with because of how big they were and how I couldn't link to individual claims, and there's still more to be taken from them. I'd say PK's article, in anything close to completeness, could have upwards of 200 references, maybe more. I still have a list of archive and KF links to go through, and @SlurpleSpeckleon's suggestion for everyone taking a good chunk of them and checking their contents is a really good idea at this point. It's still a bit crazy how prolific PK's been in her fuckups; usually after 500 pages, a thread turns to utter shit.
    4. Did we miss anything? Speaking of 500 pages, it's really easy to miss one post out of over 10,000 at this point. I might re-read the thread at some point just to make sure nothing came up that we missed, but that's a hell of a task in of itself, so probably down the road on that one. I know I got nearly everything from the OP, given that I used it as a starting point, but the OP was both outdated and a little awkward on what it mentioned and what it didn't, which was the impetus for the rewrite in the first place.
    We really do have a fantastic Google rank to start with, fourth when you look up Melanie's name. With more people to work on it, I'd be even more willing to help.
     
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  5. It might be difficult to separate out the two creative ventures out. A lot of the problems with PMD-E ended up bleeding over into Floraverse, like the sexualization of basically everyone, Mary Sue self inserts, lack of plot and direction, failure to make good on promised rewards, blatant favoritism, etc. The Pengo blowup that happened while Floraverse was running was related to Pengo's work on PMD-E. A few of the early Floraverse characters are repaints of characters she was using during PMD-E. The Floraverse crew says that PMD-E was 'practice' for Floraverse.

    PK deleted everything from PMD-E specifically to hide how much she fucked it up before starting on a fresh slate for Floraverse. Personally, I vote to keep them together in one article specifically because PK has tried so hard to separate them. The problems with Floraverse are more obvious when it can be directly compared to how defective PMD-E was. Separating the articles might lead to a lot of copying and pasting between the two pages because both sandboxes have the same problems.
     
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  6. That would be my fault, because I always meant to go back and edit it but never had the time. I honestly can't remember what page I left off on, but I got a decent chunk if I recall correctly. There's obviously been stuff since that should be added to the OP, of course.

    If anything, Eevee and Marl should share a page. I agree that they have too much to be on the PK article alone but not enough for an article each. Perhaps if we included Exty in this page it could be a section for PK's relationships.
     
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  7. I understand what you're saying, but I think that it's not really the underlying issues we're talking about, it's actual events. There was a lot of community bullshit with PMD-E, along with the Merlot and Rhodes fiascos, that don't apply to Floraverse. Likewise, many of the art and lore issues with Floraverse don't have direct parallels in PMD-E. It also depends on how much focus we wanna put on Floraverse's plot itself. A recap with a count of all the noncon and magenta horsecock might be what justifies it getting its own article.

    This is a good idea. Rather than them all getting separate pages, combine them all, along with Pengo.
     
    #7 Sergeant Politeness, Jul 10, 2017
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  8. Yeah, the community issues in PMD-E are their own thing. It seems like PK keeps the Floraverse community on such tight lockdown now because she faced so much internal criticism from the PMD-E players over how she handled a lot of aspects of running a community project. Two articles would give you a lot more freedom to be very granular with both projects.

    The problem with trying to summarize the Floraverse plot into a wiki article is that there isn't really an overarching story. She changes gears so fast and drops so many threads mid-story that Floraverse is more of a stream of consciousness work and less of an organized set of stories with a beginning, middle, and end. Characterizing it as a webcomic implies that there's direction or organization to the content when there really isn't at all.
     
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  9. This is also true. I was just using it as an example of one reason we might wanna give it its own page. I don't see it getting a recap because of how bugfuck scattered Floraverse really is. That would make for a very good section of the article, though.

    As for the other concern about needing the context of PMD-E to understand why Floraverse is a big deal, I don't see it being much of an issue. The bit about Min being a copy of Jasmine doesn't get diminished if you don't know who Jasmine was or even what a Celebi is. A picture comparison is plenty enough context.
     
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  11. I wrote in a section on Mike and the shutdown of PMD-E. Definitely need more sources on the crayon-chewer drama now. In that chatlog and on her Tumblr, PK makes mention of Mike's Tumblr post--anyone got that archived?

    Also, after reading that chatlog, I think there's enough to give Mike his own section on a subpage about PK's associates. Everything needs reorganizing if we're getting into subpages, though. I'll try spinning it off tomorrow.
     
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  12. Mike was kicked from the group because he was trying to self insert his waifu fantasies into the group (via a Seviper named Opal, and I think he also tried to hook up PK's character with his as well and a few others) and make his character special because of it, along with being rude to other members of the group and asking for art from other members iirc. There might have been other reasons though (Mike might've had something one-sided going on with PK given the commissions' content). It's ironic considering that PK did nearly the exact same thing, making her character the main star of the group's stories and inserting her pedo fetish into the canon.

    And I found his Tumblr and he's apparently still active:
    Mike's Tumblr

    After some searching, I've found Mike's post and other things in his March 2013 archives:
    Post about adding a Dragonite character named Kairi without PK's approval (archive)
    A break from PMDe with Mike apparently being disrespected by PK and her crew (archive)
    Missing the PMDe community after the fallout (archive)
    A Clarification (archive)
    these are the only posts I've seen on his removal from PMDe atm, not sure if there are others to be found.

    Mike still has up a lot of old art from PMDe and fetish commissions he got from PK on his Tumblr though. I don't think there's anything else I can find on his DA, FA or Twitter accounts of interest.
     
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    #12 Catastrophe-TM, Jul 12, 2017
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  13. Appreciate it. Like I said, I wasn't around for PMD-E, so I only know of what's left and what people say about it. There's definitely enough for a section on Mike. I'll spend today working on the PK's associates page, mostly just migrating what's on the main page.
     
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  15. You're welcome :P
    I tried to see if I could find anything on crayon-chewer's leave, but her Tumblr is clean and there's only one comment chain in particular I found on DA that appears to be related to it (featuring Marl saying this and confirming crayon-chewer has visited them irl):

    Chill isn't cc's character, he's PMD-E's character according to Marl (archive)

    Not sure where else to search. CC seems to have barely anything else on PMDe on any of her accounts.
     
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  16. I added the picture of Marl, bigfluff's account, and the bit about Pengo to his section. I think the bit about PK could be better fit on her article, but I'd have to find a good spot for it.
     
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  17. https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/PMD-Explorers

    It's still a little barren, but it's a start. Mostly the text from the original PK draft, but I sourced out a lot of my claims and pulled images from the old PMD-E wiki. As much as I wanted to put some of the Rhodes molestation art in the article, I felt it'd be in bad taste.

    Speaking of the old PMD-E wiki, here it is for anyone interested. PK thought she could erase history, but she couldn't. It's actually been pretty educational for me, as all of the DeviantArt links slowly disintegrate and it becomes even harder to find out what happened.
     
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  19. Added. The screenshot, I couldn't think of a way to fit into the article without it feeling visually crowded. If the page ever gets reformatted, I'll fit it in somewhere.
     
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