Queer Women Could Be the Answer to One of the MCU’s Biggest Problems -

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The Marvel Cinematic Universe has a problem with queer representation. We’ve known it for a while. We also know it’s not out of malice; the MCU isn’t out here trying to consciously hurt those of us craving more queer people on our screens.

But while the MCU didn’t set out to actively erase queer folks from the picture — despite LGBTQ characters being acknowledged and celebrated in the source material that the films are based on — it’s done a pretty thorough job of creating a universe that is largely straight, male, white, and geared toward that demographic.

But what if there was already a way to bring in the queerness that a considerable portion of the MCU fandom craves? What if queer women were the key to solving one of the MCU’s biggest problems right now?

As a queer person who’s been craving some blatantly queer representation in the MCU (a franchise I’ve loved as long as it has existed), I’m ready for this universe to have some new life breathed into it. And not just in the way Star Wars writer Jonathan Kasdan recently tacked on Lando’s pansexuality like an afterthought shortly after Solo: A Star Wars Story premiered (despite the character already being well-established in the pop culture consciousness).

The MCU doesn’t need to retcon character histories or fundamentally change anything about what has been established in terms of the overall narrative arc. No, this is about merely making space for some of the characters who have already been introduced and acknowledging them in a blatant way. Specifically, those who are female, queer, or have queer comic book roots, notably Thor: Ragnarok’s Valkyrie and Black Panther’s Okoye.

While those afraid of change could potentially create a roadblock on the path to introducing a new queer era of the MCU, that problem could potentially work itself out by the time the credits roll on the Infinity War sequel in 2019. In a world that will be forever changed following the deadly events of Avengers: Infinity War, you can imagine there will be a stronger sense of mortality amongst the characters of the MCU.

The rules will change. The drives will change. The fates will change. A new reality will be created and it’s in this new world that I like to think that there will be a plausible comfort amongst the characters to discuss the possibility that some of their friends and fellow heroes aren’t entirely heterosexual.

To create the queer change needed to breathe some life and authenticity back into the MCU, we have to look around and see what characters we already have established (or could potentially establish) to bring about the change. This is where our queer women come in.

As previously mentioned, Valkyrie and Okoye are already prime candidates. Even though both of the films they appear in erase their queerness for the sake of the story or for undisclosed reasons, there is an opportunity to bring out their queerness once again. We’ve seen it hinted at and coded into their backstories and interactions with their female peers — Okoye’s relationship with Ayo deserves better, people — but it is time to have them actually declare it.

The same goes for Guardians of the Galaxy‘s Nebula and Mantis, two characters who present as gender non-conforming and who may potentially be queer characters. Can we not explore these characters on a deeper level, especially when GoTG: Vol. 2 went to such great lengths to discuss the rest of their backstories? Stop erasing the fundamental parts of who these characters are, Marvel.

And if it isn’t revolutionary enough to imagine a cinematic universe where women of color and gender non-conforming characters change the dialogue around queerness in the MCU, let’s imagine the possibilities that come with Phase Four, beginning with Captain Marvel. The jury is still out on whether Carol Danvers will have an active love interest in her origin story, but even though she isn’t canonically queer, why not take the tiniest of liberties here and create a powerful queer female superhero? There has been no instance thus far in the MCU where a superhero’s sexuality has affected their mission, so let’s go all the way.

For too long, this seriously major corner of pop culture — the MCU — has operated in a way that doesn’t reflect a reality unique to a large part of its fanbase that deserves to be represented. We don’t have Infinity Stones or Vibranium or a Quantum Realm in real life. But what we have out here on the other side of the movie screen is a fanbase that includes queer folks, non-binary folks, and gender non-conforming folks who are just as magical, spiritual, and precious as those fantastical things. Except they are even more deserving of accurate representation simply because they are real.

If the MCU can imagine a world where Infinity Stones exist alongside real people and places, why can’t it bring to life queer superheroes alongside its other superheroes? With three phases on the books, it’s time.

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Dysnomia

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While those afraid of change could potentially create a roadblock on the path to introducing a new queer era of the MCU

i.e anyone who has the slightest criticism over this will be labeled heteronormative patriarchal scum.

Oh, I wouldn't call it a 'problem', so much as a smart business decision....

People don't want their favorite comics and comic based movies turned into forced diversity garbage. No one wants to hear how gay a character is every 15 seconds. And judging by the frequency of the word "queer" in this article, that's exactly what they want.

It hasn't worked up until now and it's not going to work no matter how much you keep pushing it. Your own "muh diversity" comics tanked hard. The people they were written for don't want to buy them. They simply want the smug satisfaction that they exist in the same world as ciscum straight white males. But please continue to attempt to spread the infection and be prepared to be met by just opposition.
 

Judge Holden

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I have a simpler and much more popular answer to this problem
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_Wice

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Someone should suggest Kamala Khan being made a lesbian.

...see how well that goes over.
I don’t want to give Andrew Dobson the satisfaction as much as I’d love to see that fail.
Go watch Deadpool if you so desperately crave a Marvel movie with queer people in it. It has Deadpool in it whose sexuality can only be summed up with "yes", you have Negasonic and Yukio, done, there's your queers.
I’d have way less of a problem with this article if they’d just ask for the LGBT characters that Marvel has in the comics to have their own movies. But nah, let’s slap labels on characters instead.
 

kcbbq

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i.e anyone who has the slightest criticism over this will be labeled heteronormative patriarchal scum.



People don't want their favorite comics and comic based movies turned into forced diversity garbage. No one wants to hear how gay a character is every 15 seconds. And judging by the frequency of the word "queer" in this article, that's exactly what they want.
Here's an idea. Take a room full of normal queer people not fagging it up like it's a pride parade afterparty and normal straight people ("nazis"). Step back 50 feet and try to tell the difference.

Ru Paul looks like an accountant when he's not in drag.

Most people have other things to define their life. It must be a sad existence when all you have is one thing to define you.
 

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Oh, I wouldn't call it a 'problem', so much as a smart business decision....

This is the main issue they are avoiding, in a litteral Special Snowflake genera they tried to add more snowflake and it killed the commic book market for them while the cinema market boomed and was sold to dysney to keep it afloat.

When I was younger I used to be big into my comics from British classics line the Beano, Dandy and Commando to Internationals like Spawn, Deadpool, and Batman. But when I tired to get back into Marvel it kinda made me want to jack it in and I mostly have again at least with certain publishers because nearly the wole industry is infected. I mean look at Jossh Wedons contribution in the form of Runaways it was an SJW trope fest right up to the fucking invisible girl, OP Gay black dude and the Trans Latina it fucking bombed but they still push it because they think thats whats going to sell and it just doesnt.

When people read a book they want to spend some time suspendiung disbelife, with a cool story, and look at some good if not down right amazing art. They cant and wont do that if they also feel that they are getting a lecure on why they are bad and should feel bad, and this isnt new its happened before and this time they are likely not going to recover because they have sold a critical money maker that has weird clauses associated with it mostly favorable to the mouse if they fold.
 

PS1gamenwatch

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Also I love the implication that not being gender conforming means you’re gay. How progressive.

Does that mean being whiny, nihilistic, misanthropic or just plain not caring count as gay? Or progressive?

What even is a "queer person" anymore? Isn't a queer person just a cishet person who doesn't want to oppress trannies with their very existence?

Queer used to mean odd or weird a hundred years ago.
 
So... the article claims they have a problem with not enough queer women... and the solution might be more queer women?

I mean... I don't agree that's a problem, but if it were isn't that obviously the solution?

Also, isn't just changing characters to be gay or trans or whatever else "erasing" their previous identity? Aren't you also kinda saying it's a choice to be those things, since when it's fashionable all the sudden half the cast is gay or trans?
 
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