r/antiwork - Yes, it's exactly what it sounds like.

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How will society function without jobs?


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Shaka Brah

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Corporate media has spent a long fucking time indoctrinating people in the US against unions.

One half of my family was all GM workers and they had insanely good health insurance and pensions. Meanwhile auto unions tend to be blamed for the downfall of US car manufacturing. Who the fuck cares? Not your problem. Get yours.
They were but not because of the pensions. The union bosses sold out to the Democrats wholesale and the politicians taxed the companies their blue collar serfs worked for into oblivion. If they had fought hard for the workers instead of using the workers as a tool for the Party things would have been different.
 

Lobster Cult High Priest

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They were but not because of the pensions. The union bosses sold out to the Democrats wholesale and the politicians taxed the companies their blue collar serfs worked for into oblivion. If they had fought hard for the workers instead of using the workers as a tool for the Party things would have been different.
To be fair the whole concept of defined benefit pension plans are unsustainable in the long term economically. They are also a bitch to do accounting for as you need to hire an Autist Actuarial to run complex calculations on mortality rates and all kinds of other facets to calculate the present value of the pension plans (and thus determine how much cash the company/government has to inject in a given year to keep the pension plan solvent)

That’s why many companies have switched to defined contribution pension plans where the plan is a separate entity (the company only matches or gives a percentage of what individuals decide to contribute). Way easier to account for on the company’s financial statements.

Personally I think pensions should be abolished completely minus for their original recipients being war veterans. It should be the family’s responsibility to care for their elders and the elders responsibility to pass on their assets to their descendants when they are still alive. (Moving from the master bedroom to a first floor apartment connected to or next to the main house)

Myth of the 20th century has a good podcast on the introduction of benefit programs/pensions and social security.

 

Maricón de Mierda

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After reading through this thread - which by the way is mostly filled with sperging about socialism instead of laughing at r/antiwork - I decided to check out the subreddit myself. I found this post:
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This post is representative of a substantial portion of r/antiwork's userbase that isn't discussed often enough: e-thots. I'm not sure the exact relationship between "labor" and "sex work," but it's clear that some female posters
are deciding to use Onlyfans, etc. as a way of avoiding work and thus being antiwork. So, I decided to look more at this particular user, Hoesomeslut.

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Her Reddit Bio.
Her begging to be paid for her "labor:"
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Her website does actually contain some of your usual political sperging, but it's pretty minor. I'm not really sure how her post about white people and race figures into everything since on Reddit she posts things like:
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Most of her presence on her blog and Reddit is a generally skillful advertising for her porn. She'll go to appropriate subreddits like r/AsiansGoneWild or r/FreckledGirls, post some nudes, link her porn accounts, and generally do more work than 99% of r/Antiwork. Outside of frustrated fork lift operators who work 14 hours a day and post their socialism bullshit so they have some release and don't murder their boss, sex workers are probably the hardest working antiworkers on the sub.
 

Shaka Brah

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I'm just waiting for the place to eventually devolve into another pro-communist sub. I give it until July of next year for them to go full hammer and sickle, and a year tops before they get shut down for inciting violence or whatever chapotraphouse got banned for.
They're already making those "nazis fuck off" and "antiwork means antiwhite" type threads to find all the genuine populists and right-wingers and ban them. It's already almost complete. The beginning of the purge was only a week or two ago when someone posted that tranny thread and they banned or harassed tons of people who thought they should keep their dick out of the subreddit.
 

Flaming Insignias

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I'm just waiting for the place to eventually devolve into another pro-communist sub. I give it until July of next year for them to go full hammer and sickle, and a year tops before they get shut down for inciting violence or whatever chapotraphouse got banned for.
It was always a commie sub, a lot of this thread just got suckered in by their whining about wage jobs and forgot that the sub all-but says they want to be paid for making “art.”
 

eternal dog mongler

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Personally I think pensions should be abolished completely minus for their original recipients being war veterans. It should be the family’s responsibility to care for their elders and the elders responsibility to pass on their assets to their descendants when they are still alive. (Moving from the master bedroom to a first floor apartment connected to or next to the main house)
This might be the reality in the US before too much longer. Nursing home costs are getting crazy. Sending your parents to the nursing home is very likely going to melt your entire inheritance if they live for more than a few years.
 

Lobster Cult High Priest

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This might be the reality in the US before too much longer. Nursing home costs are getting crazy. Sending your parents to the nursing home is very likely going to melt your entire inheritance if they live for more than a few years.
Especially when the quality of care are either overworked white ladies or minorities who simply don’t care about old white people abusing them and stealing their remaining items their kids haven’t already looted when they sent them to the LTC home.
 

TurdFondler

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Elderly care is almost fucking impossible for a working household. Raise kids, work 40+ hours and provide care for elderly parents? That shit puts people in the nut house. It's all by design so that proles get stripped of any generational wealth. Like daycare, it's cheaper to stay at home to care for your parents but in almost all cases it means your quality of life suffers, and most people just honestly can't afford to make less.

Anyway, retard wears all black and skateboards in the street, capitalism to blame:
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teriyakiburns

Party like it's 1848
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Elderly care is almost fucking impossible for a working household. Raise kids, work 40+ hours and provide care for elderly parents? That shit puts people in the nut house. It's all by design so that proles get stripped of any generational wealth. Like daycare, it's cheaper to stay at home to care for your parents but in almost all cases it means your quality of life suffers, and most people just honestly can't afford to make less.

Anyway, retard wears all black and skateboards in the street, capitalism to blame:
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The words of a person who has never had to deal with concept of mortality. Turns out shit happens and people die, even if they're jobless NEETs.
 

JustStopDude

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Elderly care is almost fucking impossible for a working household. Raise kids, work 40+ hours and provide care for elderly parents? That shit puts people in the nut house. It's all by design so that proles get stripped of any generational wealth. Like daycare, it's cheaper to stay at home to care for your parents but in almost all cases it means your quality of life suffers, and most people just honestly can't afford to make less.

Anyway, retard wears all black and skateboards in the street, capitalism to blame:
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This is such a uniquely American/western crisis. For most people in the world, supporting your parents and raising kids are not some unique, unfair lot in life.
 

Schatzi Katze

It's party time.
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Just stumbled upon this subreddit and holy shit what a goldmine of lazy entitled little shits lol. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned what seems to be the ringleader of this community yet though. Meet dcleyre192 aka Doreen Ford/Cleyre!

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Doreen identifies as "nonbinary she/her" but to nobodies surprise are actually a schlubby trans-identified male. His main hobbies seem to be poorly speed-running children's games, vlogging, and ruling the anti-work subreddit and discord with an iron fist. He is a stellar example of smug lumpenprole who believes all work should be abolished because he is a useless blight on society (except for sex work which should be defended at all costs because the concept gets his dick hard). Until about 3 years ago he regularly posted personal and essay vlogs to Youtube which I can't be fucked to peruse but am sure are full of cringey milk.





They also run a rarely updated blog over at abolishwork.com.
 

The Ultimate Ramotith

Sorry I'm not your fat fetish fuel.
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A slightly old one... but interesting.
I am from Russia and I'm shocked reading this sub (self.antiwork)

Hello guys!
I am from 1 million city 5 hours away from Moscow. On Reddit for a while, but mostly for memes and seen this subreddit on main page for a while and decided to check it out.
Guys, I am purely shocked. You should really be on barricades right now with these working conditions. Let me explain why is that in simple facts. In Russia, under mafia rule, cleptocracy and small businesses hard to impossible to survive, every single worker from dishwasher and cashier to top managers has following rights:
  1. 14 days vacation every six months. 21 days for dangerous professions, two months for school teachers (logically summer holiday). Unused vacation days are paid in cash according to your salary during last 6 months of your employment if you leave.
  2. Sick leaves are mandatory to be paid. Companies MUST pay to social security fund and you get paid sick leaves, from 20 to 100% of your salary depending on years you worked at one place. Also, most companies offer two 100% paid weeks for sick leaves per year after 1 year.
  3. All night shifts are paid x1.5, no matter what. All shifts during your free days are paid X2 or exchanged to free day whenever you want.
  4. If you are a pregnant, you get 70 fully 100% paid days before the child born and 70 days after, 140 days in total.
  5. In addition to number 4, one of parents can take 1.5 years (right, YEARS) of "take care of children" vacation and receive 40% of the salary. The employer is not allowed to fire you during that period and not allowed to fire you immediately after.
  6. If your position is cut and you are fired cause of that, you must receive x3 of your monthly salary as a bonus.
  7. You cannot be fired without agreement with you for other reasons, unless you have formal complaints in your personal formal government "labor book" (which is extremely rare case). All complains must comply with labor laws. If you are fired without such complaints, or if they are not strong enough, the labor inspection will go in a court for you and make the company take you back + pay full salary for the period you were "fired" + compensation. 80% of court cases are won by the labor inspection.
Like guys, that's the basic stuff. You are the richest country of the world. Your companies are INSANELY rich and they threat their workers like garbage. Each time I read about peebottles in Amazon I think "any currier in Russia would throw this peeebottle right in manager's face, make it viral in social media and nobody would work there ever again".
FIGHT WE ARE STRONG WHEN UNITED
From Russia with love.
Edit: WOW 1000 UPVOTES! Thank you so much guys. As more people are seeing it: make unions, argue for your rights, quit and ask others to quit if conditions are extremely bad. Your life is yours, not some companies, so respect yourself.

'Running a small business in Rossiya is very difficult! However, the massive regulations on businesses is good!'
 

Schatzi Katze

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A slightly old one... but interesting.


'Running a small business in Rossiya is very difficult! However, the massive regulations on businesses is good!'
I mean, they're not wrong. Worker protections in the US are pretty garbage and if these fucks could be bothered to get off their asses to organize and collectively bargain perhaps something could be done about it.

But they wont, because that takes work lol.
 

JustStopDude

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I mean, they're not wrong. Worker protections in the US are pretty garbage and if these fucks could be bothered to get off their asses to organize and collectively bargain perhaps something could be done about it.

But they wont, because that takes work lol.
Tohe average "woke" redditor would get dropped by any non-US Union. Not only is incompetence not protected, you actually need a job besides living in your parents' basement.
 

Dreamer

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A few loose thoughts on this:

1) At this point the contents of this cringeass subreddit don't matter, what matters is the sentiment that its popularity conveys.
2) Finding an unbelievably retarded post on reddit is very easy and serves as good ragebait, but ultimately it misses the point. I don't think most redditors even know what they're actually bitching at but it doesn't mean there isn't anything TO complain about.
3) Expressed or perceived political affiliation of people is ultimately unimportant. If you put a commie in a situation he'd feel comfortable with, he will stop being a commie. Actually malicious and "unfixable" people are rare. Political divides are the white noise of a conversation, ultimately extremism is unsustainable and an actually functioning system is a balance of "conflicting" ideologies.

4) Blaming people who got a worthless college degree and got themselves into debt they have almost no way of paying off is silly, you're essentially choosing to blame a 17yo for 1 short-sighted decision he possibly couldn't have been properly informed on instead of the college system that facilitates fucking him over for decades.
5) One of essential needs for people to thrive is security, and as of now low end jobs no longer provide it. You don't have a stable home because all you can do is rent 20m2 with 2 friends (big cities), you're constantly at risk of getting replaced or fucked over by an import-wagie, you don't have savings. Those causes constant stress for wagies, and has a real tangible impact on their life and physical health.
6) Its unreasonable to expect downtrodden people to be motivated, to "suck it up" and just fix their life. Just like telling a depressed person to "get over it", a tacit admission that you don't know what to do, or don't want to help. No man is a mountain, ultimately society exists for people to help one another so instead of bitching at them "lazy" scumbags we should look for ways of helping them. Even when they're insufferable.

7) Jobs that are undesirable should be well paid, jobs that are comfortable don't have to. Because of necessity in paid higher education this logical balanced is inverted, giving people no incentive to work low end jobs and ample incentive to get fucked over by a college.
8) Companies have been pushing off responsibility for mental health on their workers, instead of creating conditions for them to be healthy. PR and mitigating conflicts through essentially subterfuge is used instead of actual attempts at help. If you don't want mental care from the government, then you should expect it from your company.

9) Corporations are growing increasingly inefficient but still stifle smaller companies in many sectors, solely due to the amount of assets they have. Thus the market can't fix itself.
10) Similarly, growing income inequality is destabilizing the market. Money makes more money at the expense of those who don't have money, ultimately making everyone suffer as the market becomes volatile and disconnected from people its supposed to serve.
11) Increased volatility of the market has already reduced average standard of life greatly, as an example the current housing market is driving up prices of property at the expense of this property actually being used, and just because people have more faith in holding a house than holding its equivalent in cash. Many cities in europe are currently building urban sprawls despite their centers laying essentially abandoned due to inflated prices.
12) Tangentially related. The rise in crypto scams also contributes to this, and their popularity are a result of people desperate to not be a part of a broken system. Ultimately this concerns you too, if enough suckers lose money on a scam YOU lose money too, in an indirect way. Cryptocurrencies pushed us years ahead of schedule for an economic collapse.

Some of this could be feasibly mitigated by the government taking power and regulating corporations but i don't see this happening until something drastic and violent happens.
 

Psychotron

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^ I'm basically here because I kinda agree with that.
I'm anti pointless work, because it's needlessly wasteful.

Work is fine, and necessary to live a meaningful life.

I don't like the idea of canceling the student debts, cause a promise is a promise is a promise, but I can see reducing the interest to half of inflation or whatever, to allow it to become manageable for them over time.

Still, there are lolcows in this community, pinko commies who just want free stuff are scum, and you know they be lurking here, but the lolcow milk is mixed in with legit sentiments.
 

TurdFondler

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I don't like the idea of canceling the student debts, cause a promise is a promise is a promise, but I can see reducing the interest to half of inflation or whatever, to allow it to become manageable for them over time.
With the amount of forgiven PPP loans, student debt cancellation should just happen BUT I also agree that a loan is a loan.

The interest on student loans should be determined by level of income, and some loan forgiveness in desirable sectors should be considered, and the loans should be dischargeable by bankruptcy. It's completely unfair to be saddled with a loan that you literally cannot pay off or get rid of short of leaving the country.
 

Blatant hypocrite

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Enough sperging on what things should be or whether they maybe have a point.

The point is that they're encouraging each other to be lunatics. It's not about their left-leaning, it's a matter of scale. It's like if you supported PETA because the meat industry does dumb things sometimes. Take this current front-page post for example:
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Oh my. 30% of people disagree? Occasional trolls in the comments section? Outrageous! This is no doubt the work of Correct The Record Kellogg's marketing team. We couldn't stamp out dissenting opinions? That means our pro-worker safe space is under attack!

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Lie about your qualifications to beat someone more competent (drug addict btw)

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Comparing quitting your job to the moon landing (One of those requires actual work)

Hilariously, they've been trying to organize a general strike since about Black Friday last year. I wonder why that's never materialized? This is a big community of real workers... right?

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Guy posts in support of the mythical "General Strike" and comment section informs him that he's not being extreme enough.