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AnOminous

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That’s fucking retarded. While China never officially underwent destalinization (demaoization?) in the way the Soviet Union did, few of his policies remain (certainly not in the spirit with which they were enacted anyhow). In fact, the party today still seems to hold him and his legacy at arms length.

I also get that my above comment wasn’t what you were talking about rereading it now— I just read a huge biography on Mao and will sperg about it whenever given the chance. Turns out he was kind of a dick.
These people are mostly chinkaboos who base their beliefs about an imaginary, idealized China on nothing more substantial than a general hatred of the West. I don't think a serious Maoist would consider what is currently going on in China as remotely similar to actual Maoism. It's so stupid it defies belief.
This is all true but it isn't what I'm talking about, since virtually all Stalinists will also love Mao.
I think it depends on why they're Stalinists, but by and large, yes. Once you've adopted Stalinism, something even Soviet Russia eventually rejected, you're probably on board with what Mao did, what Pol Pot did, what Enver Hoxha did, and pretty much any atrocity committed in the name of Communism.

The fact that adopting Stalinism means essentially rejecting Marxism-Leninism eludes them, generally. Either they're just okay with that or they have elaborate justifications for it. This is no defense of Marx or Lenin, and Lenin from a Robespierre-like fanaticism would have done as bad or worse than Stalin did, but at least Lenin was an honest fanatic. Stalin was just a gutter criminal with the wits to end up running an empire.
 

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These people are mostly chinkaboos who base their beliefs about an imaginary, idealized China on nothing more substantial than a general hatred of the West. I don't think a serious Maoist would consider what is currently going on in China as remotely similar to actual Maoism. It's so stupid it defies belief.

I think it depends on why they're Stalinists, but by and large, yes. Once you've adopted Stalinism, something even Soviet Russia eventually rejected, you're probably on board with what Mao did, what Pol Pot did, what Enver Hoxha did, and pretty much any atrocity committed in the name of Communism.

The fact that adopting Stalinism means essentially rejecting Marxism-Leninism eludes them, generally. Either they're just okay with that or they have elaborate justifications for it. This is no defense of Marx or Lenin, and Lenin from a Robespierre-like fanaticism would have done as bad or worse than Stalin did, but at least Lenin was an honest fanatic. Stalin was just a gutter criminal with the wits to end up running an empire.

Joke's on you, most Stalinists hate Pol Pot for making them look bad and they're extremely iffy on Hoxha, especially since he cut ties with Mao.
Pol Pot is seen as a "not real communist", they actually thank the Vietnamese for invading the country, and Hoxha as a dogmatic.
They're semi-arbitrary red lines from outside, you might wonder "why have them so far?" or even "Haven't they passed the red lines already?", but they have them.

I've seen a few people liking Pol Pot but they're the really esoteric kind of communist. Actually, you'll be amazed at how "normie" most Stalinists are when compared to some really vicious far left people left of them. They aren't the worst kind around, and this should probably scare you.

One last thing about Stalinism and Marxism-Leninism; virtually every Stalinist calls himself the latter, and considering the historical background of the term might as well be. Just like Marxism didn't exist when Marx was alive and Leninism was formulated by the communist party in Russia when Lenin was alive but not by himself, Marxism-Leninism is the theoretical whole that includes the interpretation of Lenin's thought when Lenin was alive together with further developments after his death, and Stalin's "innovations" (in fact more often than not appropriated by more capable thinkers, and very susceptible to change. The stance on socialdemocracy changed from negative to positive within less than five years, for example. One moment he was calling it the left wing of fascism, the other he was advocating communist-led popular fronts with them in France, Spain, etc).
Actually, Stalin always called himself a Marxist-Leninist, he essentially made up the term to legitimize himself and present himself not as an innovator but as a continuator of Lenin's work.
"Stalinism" is a term that was used by his critics and never really appropriated by his stanners.
In China something similar happened, Mao Zedong Thought - not to be mistaken with Maoism, Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and Maoism-Third Worldism, ideologies that were developed outside of China - is the formulation of Mao Zedong's ideology following his death, mostly including what the communist party in China found to be the positive aspects of him. Let's say the first fifteen years of government but excluding the last decade. The nation-building phase but not the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, those are seen as pure insanity.
I've been in this political area and I still follow it with some entertained interest, I know them like my pockets because I was one once, though I think that in some ways I even got worse over time. I only have the self-awareness that they lack.
 

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These people are mostly chinkaboos who base their beliefs about an imaginary, idealized China on nothing more substantial than a general hatred of the West. I don't think a serious Maoist would consider what is currently going on in China as remotely similar to actual Maoism. It's so stupid it defies belief.

I think it depends on why they're Stalinists, but by and large, yes. Once you've adopted Stalinism, something even Soviet Russia eventually rejected, you're probably on board with what Mao did, what Pol Pot did, what Enver Hoxha did, and pretty much any atrocity committed in the name of Communism.

The fact that adopting Stalinism means essentially rejecting Marxism-Leninism eludes them, generally. Either they're just okay with that or they have elaborate justifications for it. This is no defense of Marx or Lenin, and Lenin from a Robespierre-like fanaticism would have done as bad or worse than Stalin did, but at least Lenin was an honest fanatic. Stalin was just a gutter criminal with the wits to end up running an empire.
Stalinism is Marxist-Leninism. M-L was a term Stalin made up to describe his policies. Anybody who says they’re a Marxist-Leninist who doesn’t like Stalin is just slinging words without knowing what they mean.

Saying Stalin was merely a gutter criminal is too generous to commies. A gutter criminal would have done a better job running things. Stalin was still an abysmal leader outside of shit like the Great Purge specifically because he was a true believer in communism, and based a lot of his policies on Marxist teachings. But a lot of what Marx wrote was wrong (or at least only applied to 19th century industrial empires) and lead to things being a lot worse than if Stalin had simply been another murderous tyrant.
 

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AnOminous

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Saying Stalin was merely a gutter criminal is too generous to commies. A gutter criminal would have done a better job running things.
He started his career as a robber and a snitch. Whatever else he may have been he was certainly a gutter criminal as well.
 

UrbanZerglings

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This comrade is too depressed to read so he uses memes to learn theory
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Honestly sad, he probably won't last a day in China.

Funnily enough if they were actually born in China they'd probably hate the Chinese government, since from what I've seen on Weibo the patriotism of people my age usually correlates directly with their GaoKao score.
 

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Honestly sad, he probably won't last a day in China.

Funnily enough if they were actually born in China they'd probably hate the Chinese government, since from what I've seen on Weibo the patriotism of people my age usually correlates directly with their GaoKao score.

I don't know, being an ironic or semi-unironic Maoist tends to make older people in China like you. Though they tend to be a bit homophobic/racist so maybe not the people they want to make friends with.
 

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I don't know, being an ironic or semi-unironic Maoist tends to make older people in China like you. Though they tend to be a bit homophobic/racist so maybe not the people they want to make friends with.
Commies are self-contradicting imbeciles.
There's a lot of trannies defending USSR, even though they'd get imprisoned there.
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It even has a fucking Beria profile pic.
 

Altzek

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Commies are self-contradicting imbeciles.
There's a lot of trannies defending USSR, even though they'd get imprisoned there.
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It even has a fucking Beria profile pic.

The ethical divide between communists in the Third World and those in the West is massive. To some degree wh*te-majority communities like r/GenZedong also realize it and end up worshipping communists in the third world and despise themselves, but they don't understand what this divide consists of. Troons are the litmus test here.

Also, imagine dedicating a profile to Beria, of all people.
Beria probably murdered Stalin and might've planned to hand over Ukraine and maybe even join NATO with the entirety of eastern Europe (Malenkov also tried that during his short time as premier, but he was rebuked by the west which needed the farce of a cold war with Russia).
Even aside from the terrible personal qualities such as being a child molester, Beria would've been a terrible communist leader.

If you want to dedicate your profile to some communist mass repressor, dedicate it to Feliz Dzherzhinsky. At least this guy had principles.
 

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That’s fucking retarded. While China never officially underwent destalinization (demaoization?) in the way the Soviet Union did, few of his policies remain (certainly not in the spirit with which they were enacted anyhow). In fact, the party today still seems to hold him and his legacy at arms length.

I also get that my above comment wasn’t what you were talking about rereading it now— I just read a huge biography on Mao and will sperg about it whenever given the chance. Turns out he was kind of a dick.

China didn't "destalinize" at all, at least politically. They _did_ dismantle the personality cult but the State Capitalist monopoly and gestapo enforced political orthodoxy is still a major feature.

Mao's politics themselves were largely a deviation in China's history, not the rule. Before and after the Great Leap Forward, and after the Cultural RevolutionChina has organized economically the same way the USSR did, both in heavy centralization, communization as well as economic reformism. China's takeaway from the collapse of the USSR wasn't that economic reforms were the cause, but political liberalization.

Starting with Deng, China has largely rebuffed the core features of Maoism, the GLF economic/social model and Cultural Revolution. Modern China is heavily allergic to Maoism to the point where they disappear any Maoist leftist groups within the country and rope any CCP official's who even as much as adopt Maoist pretenses, even cosmetic.
 

Altzek

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Tito was probably the best of the non-Soviet Communists, which is not to say actually good, but least bad.

Not even least bad, just terrible. Period. Economic growth when he was alive was bloated by countless loans from western financial institutions, and when he died, he did just in time to drop the responsibility of the repayment on the collective presidency that succeded him.
From here economic crisis, hyperinflation, eventually civil war and ethnic cleansing.

I know Jugoslavs, comrades too, and they don't all like him. Many can see past the dumb as shit boomer nostalgia for him.

It was Eastern Germany.


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Also, Stalinists hate Pol Pot because in the 1980s he admitted Marxism Leninism was a lie.

East Germany was something even Stalin planned to give away, provided the unified Germany would've been a Finland-like neutral state rather than a NATO member.
I'm really talking about Ukraine.

About Pol Pot, I think it was more demolization than anything else. You're a Marxist-Leninist and you fuck up horribly, then you're also invaded by Marxist-Leninist Vietnam, by then it was an idea of doing things that had become unpopular. The Khmer Rouge themselves had to hide their nature at first, between 1970 (during the civil war, and back when the US was turning Cambodia into Swiss cheese) and 1976 they had their old enemy Sihanouk as a figurehead, and the Cambodians thought they were fighting to restore him on the throne rather than to establish a communist regime.
To give you an idea of how secretive they were, nobody even knew the names of the people in charge until like 1978, Pol Pot and comrades were just Comrade #something, and the Communist Party of Kampuchea officially didn't exist until it was publicly revealed few months after the regime fell. People just called whatever institution was in charge of the government "the Angkar", "the organization".
After Vietnam invaded the country and tried to colonize it, the Khmer Rouge decided they were "democratic socialists". They had to make a new name for themselves.

Tanks can't see all this, they're too fucking dumb. They just think that a bad guy disconfessing their fake Marxism and fake Leninism is proof that he wasn't of their side.
 

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I know Jugoslavs, comrades too, and they don't all like him. Many can see past the dumb as shit boomer nostalgia for him.
Remember that we're comparing him to people like Enver Hoxha, an absolute lunatic who spent much of the country's budget covering the country with weird useless bunkers that nobody ever used, many of which still exist. A literal lolcow national leader. Or Ceausescu who I'm sure everyone knows about who ended up correctly against a wall.
 

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and 1976 they had their old enemy Sihanouk as a figurehead

Was a weird "deviation" with Laos as well, where the royalty was some how intertwined with the Laotian communists and ended up running the country for a few decades.

To give you an idea of how secretive they were, nobody even knew the names of the people in charge until like 1978, Pol Pot and comrades were just Comrade #something, and the Communist Party of Kampuchea officially didn't exist until it was publicly revealed few months after the regime fell.

IIRC, they were forced to announce themselves as an actual Communist Party by the CHICOMs. Probably as a means to bolster some type of international support against the Soviets.

I know Jugoslavs, comrades too, and they don't all like him.

There was an old Yugo on Reddit forever ago who would talk about what it was like in the late 70s and 80s and it was basically like what you said, just loans after loans after loans but instead of Romania they actually did some investment to ward off the masses that stayed home, and the others ended up going to work in West Europe or Hungary or Austria and just sent money home to further prop up the country.
 

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