Plagued Race Realists and Racialists -

[mr.moon1488]

Is this your galaxy-brain play here? Keep watering down your original point while trying to sneak the connotation in the back door?
As for why there are way fewer famous black scientists in the Western world? That may have to do with the fact that any attempt by brothers to study science were, as a rule, cut off at the knees with that whole "Get back to picking my cotton/mining my diamonds/shining my shoes, nigger" thing. Given the recent advent of African-American access to higher education, I'd say they're doing pretty well for themselves. Arguing that, because Africans in 300 years (being generous on your side) have failed to generate the exact same number and caliber of minds as Europe has over 800-1000+ years, that they're untermenschen is pretty legendary, man.


You could have been on this site before Null and you would still be a newfag.

"As for why there are way fewer famous black scientists in the Western world? That may have to do with the fact that any attempt by brothers to study science were, as a rule, cut off at the knees with that whole"
Why just the western world? You can go to most of Europe, and Asia, and find the ruins of sprawling metropolises even dating back to the neolithic age. There's only a sparse few such places like this across the entirety of Africa, and most of those were either built by the Carthagenians, Romans, Egyptians, or Arabs. Other than that you have the Ethiopians which were cultural Jews, and now Christians, and then maybe the Nubians who made most of their wealth by selling slaves to the Egyptians.

 

[Ash Gassem]

Is this your galaxy-brain play here? Keep watering down your original point while trying to sneak the connotation in the back door?
As for why there are way fewer famous black scientists in the Western world? That may have to do with the fact that any attempt by brothers to study science were, as a rule, cut off at the knees with that whole "Get back to picking my cotton/mining my diamonds/shining my shoes, nigger" thing.

LUL. Are we ignoring linear time here? Vietnamese boat people made greater gains in a single generation than blacks managed in 5, despite constant media support.

Given the recent advent of African-American access to higher education, I'd say they're doing pretty well for themselves.

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You'd have an uphill battle. Again, where are the grandmasters? You can't even pretend that chess isn't a thing in the black community. So why the vast underrepresentation? Given the state of our society, any black child with promise would be treated like a golden god in the chess community. Yet, there's one black chess grandmaster, and he wasn't even born in this country.

Arguing that, because Africans in 300 years (being generous on your side) have failed to generate the exact same number and caliber of minds as Europe has over 800-1000+ years, that they're untermenschen is pretty legendary, man.

Was that my position? I don't think it was. I could understand if blacks were somewhat less successful that whites. Say 2 to 1, or even 3 to 1.

But that's not the case. It's much worse than that. And not just in this hellscape of skinhate we call the USA, either. The "13 do 50" meme isn't just a thing in America: it also describes the situation in London. It's a staggering coincidence, considering the drastically different nature of the two environments. But the fact is, no matter where you look, black failure is ubiquitous. By white standards, any sort of black success is exceptional.

Isn't it interesting how, if you break down the PISA or TIMSS scores by race, they seem to match up across nations? Why is it white students in the US score like European students, and Asian students in the US score like East Asian students? Hell of a coincidence, considering all the environmental factors, don't you think?

You could have been on this site before Null and you would still be a newfag.

How'll I ever recover?

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

"As for why there are way fewer famous black scientists in the Western world? That may have to do with the fact that any attempt by brothers to study science were, as a rule, cut off at the knees with that whole"
Why just the western world? You can go to most of Europe, and Asia, and find the ruins of sprawling metropolises even dating back to the neolithic age. There's only a sparse few such places like this across the entirety of Africa, and most of those were either built by the Carthagenians, Romans, Egyptians, or Arabs. Other than that you have the Ethiopians which were cultural Jews, and now Christians, and then maybe the Nubians who made most of their wealth by selling slaves to the Egyptians.

Ignoring the rest of your autistic screed (I really could explain why, geographically, African people favored biodegradable materials over stone in their environment, but you really wouldn't listen): why would the fact that Ethiopians being "cultural Jews" matter a single rat shit when we're talking about IQ (which I assume you're using to mean genetic intelligence). Culture doesn't magically change your genome.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

Oh, shit, there’s only been one black chess grandmaster.

That settles it, deport them to Africa en masse and put the ones who haven’t been deported yet in the special schools, we have empirical proof now that they’ll never measure up

Ignoring the rest of your autistic screed (I really could explain why, geographically, African people favored biodegradable materials over stone in their environment, but you really wouldn't listen): why would the fact that Ethiopians being "cultural Jews" matter a single rat shit when we're talking about IQ (which I assume you're using to mean genetic intelligence). Culture doesn't magically change your genome.

Hey, a dude with “1488” in his name is giving cultural Jews credit for something. Gotta take baby steps here.

 

[Ash Gassem]

Oh, shit, there’s only been one black chess grandmaster.

That settles it, deport them to Africa en masse and put the ones who haven’t been deported yet in the special schools, we have empirical proof now that they’ll never measure up

Wow, great argument. How about we start with they're roughly 13% of the population and perpetrate over 50% of murders?

The point I made was simply that blacks basically aren't present at the far right side of the bell curve. The problem with egalitarianism is that blacks are very present at the left end of the bell curve, and exhibit all that attends that. This encompasses failures in many forms, but obviously most detrimentally is the straight-up violent crime blacks commit at rates far beyond any other demographic, even controlling for socioeconomic conditions.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Ignoring the rest of your autistic screed (I really could explain why, geographically, African people favored biodegradable materials over stone in their environment, but you really wouldn't listen): why would the fact that Ethiopians being "cultural Jews" matter a single rat shit when we're talking about IQ (which I assume you're using to mean genetic intelligence). Culture doesn't magically change your genome.

"Ignoring the rest of your autistic screed"

Translation

"I'm gonna ignore everything else because it makes perfect sense, and is a completely valid response"

"African people favored biodegradable materials over stone in their environment, but you really wouldn't listen"

Translation

"WAKANDA IS REAL, DOH I GOTS NO EVIDENCE OF IT"

"why would the fact that Ethiopians being "cultural Jews" matter a single rat shit when we're talking about IQ (which I assume you're using to mean genetic intelligence). Culture doesn't magically change your genome."

Translation

"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU JUST SAID CULTURAL DAT HAS NOTHIN TO DO WIT RACE REEEEEEEEEEEEE"

They were cultural Jews, which meant they followed the laws, and standards of another society, not laws and standards their own people established. Outside of this, they are largely racially Jewish. In fact there's been a debate as to whether Ethiopians should be classified as semitic.

 

[TheImportantFart]

How'll I ever recover?

Hold on. Is this a sock of @Russian Dissident (Jew nazi lolcow Mark Citadel)?

 

[Cosmos]

<People with "1488" and swastikas in their usernames posting about muh race realism

Oh yeah, I'm sure we're getting totally non-biased and scientific information here.

 

[Flynt's Missing Pecker]

That settles it, deport them to Africa en masse and put the ones who haven’t been deported yet in the special schools, we have empirical proof now that they’ll never measure up

Find me one valid and reliable IQ test that has shown blacks are as intelligent as whites on average. It should be easy no? If this is just some white supremacist conspiracy theory.

I’ll save you the trouble, there isn’t one. The average gap between whites and blacks is about 1 SD or 15 points.

 

[mr.moon1488]

<People with "1488" and swastikas in their usernames posting about muh race realism

Oh yeah, I'm sure we're getting totally non-biased and scientific information here.

Lol as opposed to what? Completely "unbiased" information from the other side? Since I've posted in this thread, one dude has made a Wakanda argument, and another dude has just bitched about ebil Nazis.

Edit:

Outside of this, normally when people are arguing about something, there is "bias," otherwise there wouldn't be an argument in the first place.

Actually I'll point something else out on the topic of intellectual honesty.
OP's post:
Every single video has been removed.

2nd page of this thread:
The guy who could literally ban every single fucker on this site, but hasn't banned a single person in this thread who disagrees with him.

Kinda seems like one side of the argument is slightly more honest than the other.

 

[Ash Gassem]

<People with "1488" and swastikas in their usernames posting about muh race realism

Oh yeah, I'm sure we're getting totally non-biased and scientific information here.

Despite the source or anything else, does it seem reasonable to you that human populations differ in various physical attributes, yet are exactly equal in behavior and intelligence?

This strikes me as an insane assumption, yet it is the prevailing assumption. Somehow, I have to prove disparity in mental and psychological traits between races, despite the irrefutable disparities in physical traits. Why?

Why is the null hypothesis exact similarity in some aspects, even while there's obvious divergence in others? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Given the obvious and undeniable differences in physical traits, shouldn't we anticipate the same in intellectual and psychological traits? Why would that not be the standard that had to be rigorously disproved? And it's not simply that there's mixed data here: what data we have is quite clear, and separates the races as surely as physical characteristics. So how is it we base the explanations of these differences on prejudices or "hate," despite all that?

 

[toggaf]

That settles it, deport them to Africa en masse

They don't have to jump to that, but the "13 do 50/ 7 times crime difference" simply describes a difference of subgroup size. Around 2.5% of all black americans are responsible for half the violent crime iirc. I'm not prescribing any solution, but if it is genetic, then it could've been treated like sickle cell has (0.25% vs 4% in west africa although I'll admit a number of factors could've contributed to this decreasing).

My point is that sickle cell and violent behavior are treated differently in this context, but it probably shouldn't be.

 

[Slap47]

Remember when the Germans were the ooga booga forest people and the brown skinned people were the most civilized?

You really think 2000 years makes a difference when evolution takes millions of years?

 

[tuscangarder]

Meanwhile inner-city schools are achieving 0% literacy rates despite having millions of dollars thrown at them with local governments entirely representative of their demographic but at least your faggy e-celeb worship over a Caribbean Dance Major has won you the most disingenuous point imaginable. We did it Reddit!

I have attended two inner-city public schools and two suburban public schools. The quality of education between the two is no where comparable. I also do not think any money being thrown at them is actually being used on students. Inner city schools lack funding suburban schools do because they lack property tax income due to abandoned housing and low property values. The schools did not have enough desks for students, had literally 30 year old science books, not enough books for each student, and frequently ran out of printer paper for worksheets and assignments. The teachers did not give a shit, the principals did not give a shit, it was sort of ran like a 3rd world zoo. The students were routinely neglected in education. Teaching was not the goal.

When I moved to the suburban school, I was amazed that there was a school like that. A school with new books, enough desks, the ceiling tiles had to chance of falling on you, there weren't 40 kids to a class, teachers actually taught, there was an actual punishment system and kids were not stressed out all the time.

The outcome of city schools are largely a product of the environment within the school and also the parents. One thing I noticed is that city children had a large amount of parents that were obviously mentally ill and straight up abusive.

Moving to a suburb was like moving to a different country to me. I went through a large amount of culture shock. I never really left the city I was born in until I moved out of it. I didn't know there were such societal differences until that point. It was weird.

The quality of life in an American ghetto is 1000000000000000x worse and you are put an extreme disadvantage just being born there. Most people's parents do not move them out due to being poor, on drugs, single parents, bad credit score, etc. The children of these schools are not on a level playing field.

 

[Animewasamistake]

This thread has always been very but two idiots here are making shit worse.

Just calm down and come back later you newfags

 

[mr.moon1488]

This thread has always been very but two idiots here are making shit worse.

Just calm down and come back later you newfags

Yes, nothing could make an overtly political thread worse than people disagreeing with other peoples' political views...

 

[Flynt's Missing Pecker]

You really think 2000 years makes a difference when evolution takes millions of years?

Why would you think evolution takes millions of years? That is completely wrong.

 

[Slap47]

Why would you think evolution takes millions of years? That is completely wrong.

So S. Korea is ok and N. Korea is shit because of 50 years of evolution? Not the circumstance and failure of the systems they ended up saddled with?

Why are Asians geniuses here but literally potatoes in their homeland? Perhaps circumstance could explain that? Or do you thing those immigrants from Guangzhou 150 years go somehow evolved into a superior type of Asian?

 

[mr.moon1488]

Why would you think evolution takes millions of years? That is completely wrong.

Well that, and 2000 years ago the Germans had iron age technology, ships, had mastered farming, raising livestock, had a written language, currency, were building fortified settlements, and had achieved multiple military victories against the Roman empire.

So S. Korea is ok and N. Korea is shit because of 50 years of evolution? Not the circumstance and failure of the systems they ended up saddled with?

Why are Asians geniuses here but literally potatoes in their homeland? Perhaps circumstance could explain that? Or do you thing those immigrants from Guangzhou 150 years go somehow evolved into a superior type of Asian?

No one is making the argument that race is the only factor in societal development, but there is clear evidence that nature does play a role. Aside from this, the North Koreans are about an inch to three inches shorter now than South Koreans on average. This due to malnutrition, but should the status quo remain for another lets say 1000 years, it's very likely that it would become a genetic trait of the North Koreans as it would favor a population with limited food to be smaller, and thus have a lower required caloric intake.

 

[Flynt's Missing Pecker]

Why are Asians geniuses here but literally potatoes in their homeland? Perhaps circumstance could explain that? Or do you thing those immigrants from Guangzhou 150 years go somehow evolved into a superior type of Asian?

So the only two options are million of years or 150 years?
At least try to put forward a semi-coherent argument.