Race relations: Is it all the same? -

[Yaoi Huntress Earth]

What I mean by this title is that we all know about the growing tensions between whites and blacks, but I was curious if it is the same for other races. Is there a strong resentment that (for example) Hispanics or Asians have towards whites as well? When it comes to the bad apples (like gang members), do they call them on it? Is there a lot of pressure placed on children and family members?

The reason I ask this is because I have a story with a Hispanic character who lived in a place with heavy gang activity and his father was a gang member who constantly fucked-up with his family. So as a result, his son is so driven to be nothing like the "thugs" people like his father were (sometimes to the point of being a bit elitist).

You don't have to answer for the story, but these were things I was curious about. And I also thought it would be good debate material.

 

[AnOminous]

What I mean by this title is that we all know about the growing tensions between whites and blacks, but I was curious if it is the same for other races. Is there a strong resentment that (for example) Hispanics or Asians have towards whites as well?

They mostly hate blacks, too.

 

[Yaoi Huntress Earth]

They mostly hate blacks, too.

How come? Just curious.

 

[AnOminous]

How come? Just curious.

Someone has to be the most hated, I guess.

 

[AlanRickmanIsDead]

Someone has to be the most hated, I guess.

All of my folks hate all of your folks,
It's American as apple pie.

 

[Pikimon]

X race is all bad and evil and lazy except for these group of people I know because theyre exceptions to the rule and plus I like them and theyre one of the good ones.

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

In almost every urban environment I have ever lived in, and that includes a fair amount of states, countries, and continents, it tends to be "everyone vs. the blacks."

If there aren't any blacks, tends to be an "every race for itself" thing. Asians and whites tend to get along in general, Hispanics are a wild card depending mostly on whether or not they see themselves as white- my father was Spanish, and as far as he was concerned, we were white (which we are. Most Irish Americans can't hold a candle to my whiteness). Mexicans don't see themselves that way, and most South Americans/Iberians tend to think of them as a race of lowlife "coloreds" and niggers. In Spain this is because everyone sees themselves as this noble race of royals and Europeans, in South America it's because they want to be that but are stuck in the jungle. Mexis for their part think they're Robin Hood.

One group that no Iberian people will align with is Muslims/Arabs. The Spanish hate them all, no exceptions.

Internally, when it comes to West and East Asians, it tends to be instead "every vs. the Arabs" and "everyone vs. the Chinese" respectively.

Source: a shit ton of life experience and a family comprised of four or fives races/ethnicities.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Everybody treats everybody else like shit, but for different reasons.

 

[millais]

How come? Just curious.

Two words: Roof Koreans

In the years leading up to the Rodney King LA riots, the Koreans had bought up all the convenience stores and liquor stores in the black neighborhoods, so they became hated by blacks due to the Korean shop owners' tendency to shoot shoplifters and the fact that they were an outsider group hoovering up all the blacks' disposable income. When the riots happened, the mobs naturally targeted the Korean business owners for these reasons. The municipal government ordered LAPD and fire department to leave Koreatown/Little Seoul unprotected from the mobs because the Koreans were not an influential voting demographic and the manpower was needed to protect the districts that were more affluent and influential during election years. So without police supervision, the Koreans fought back against the mobs with their personal firearms in defense of their properties, resulting in many dead blacks and Koreans.

 

[QI 541]

How come? Just curious.

They usually have a high crime rate in whatever country they're in.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

In the UK, I'd say the greater tension is between South Asians (Indians, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis etc) and whites. Not that black vs white racial tensions don't exist (look at the Notting Hill and Brixton riots), but since 9/11 and with the rise in Islamic fundamentalism, South Asians are seen as a more direct threat.

 

[friedshrimp]

It's a lot more complex than what liberal media tries to tell you. (POC vs whitey)

And I think it's often really "every race for themselves". The whites dislike the Roma for thievery and almost everyone fears the Muslims for the recent attacks these last years (even more than 9/11 I'd say, and honestly imagine most countries in Europe that have always been progressive regarding women and gays to suddenly turn sexist/homophobic to please the refugees...). The blacks hate the latinos for they consider them "wannabe blacks" and think they're out to steal their jobs and can't "speak english". Some latinos don't like each other (mexicans vs peruvians vs chileans), like they're in a tag game to see who's from the "most superior" country. And of course the most butthurt ones can't stand the Spanish...

This is why americanized rad-left politics don't work well outside the USA; race relations and history in every country are different so you honestly can't put that attitude in say, Finland, and expect the same results as in America (looking at the Barbie Disney Princess artist now).

 

[Joan Nyan]

Diversity was a mistake.

 

[Trilby]

This is why americanized rad-left politics don't work well outside the USA; race relations and history in every country are different so you honestly can't put that attitude in say, Finland, and expect the same results as in America (looking at the Barbie Disney Princess artist now).

I suppose that's the benefits of living where I am, but yes, it's interesting how it never really clicked outside our continent.

Diversity was a mistake.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that personally, at least where I am. My parents though grew up in that generation that still sees swaths of land as "Colortown", yet I traverse it each day. I never think differently of anyone based on race.

 

[Disgusted Face Hold]

Diversity was a mistake.

1964 was a mistake.

 

[ZeCommissar]

Someone has to be the most hated, I guess.

I would argue that is (or at least used to be) the Jews. I have literally seen every race on the planet say something bad about Jews, and I have seen a black woman rant about "black genocide" and "tha jooz"

Yes you will find people, families, or even small communities of Hispanics and Asians around the world that hate "white devils", especially in the south west and the west. It is a little uncommon for any widespread racism to happen between whites and Asians in the modern US, I can't say for other countries tho.

For whites against hispanics however, the relations are usually not as hostile right now as it is between blacks and whites. However this has been changing due to Trump, or at least it's being brought into the open again.

One thing that might be interesting to add to your story is i'm under the assumption your main character might "rise above" the thug life in his area, and still experience racism due to stereotypes even though he is not like the other people in whatever area your story is set in.

So no, it's not "all the same" around the world, but I would argue that the very core things that cause it is fear of "the other".

 

[Joan Nyan]

It is a little uncommon for any widespread racism to happen between whites and Asians in the modern US, I can't say for other countries tho.

That depends what you mean by Asian. Chinks, Japs, Gooks, and Charlies probably have it better than Pajeets.

 

[ICametoLurk]

It is a little uncommon for any widespread racism to happen between whites and Asians in the modern US, I can't say for other countries tho.

WHITE PIGS GO HOME.
Someone had a documentary about white kids growing up in Japan and how much racism they get for being white.

 

[AlanRickmanIsDead]

Diversity was a mistake.

Mistake was a mistake.

 

[Male Idiot]

Well locally the blacks are actually such a tiny minority that they do not get much flak.

The local "hate chain" follows:

1 muslims: They are the big enemy and everybody knows it. Extreme dislike, everybody knows they are out to get us all. Avoid them like a plague and watch them all the time from a safe distance. If you want to see a hungarian, a slovak, a jew and a gypsy all go into the same corner and forget all their differences, throw in a muslim into the room. Violence can happen here.

2 gypsies: they are stealing welfare pigs, but they at least tend to not rape children and are just motivated by greed. Heavy dislike, you don't interact with them if you can. There are a few normal, good people, but if you spot an accent, the propability of the speaker being a 20IQ thug is very high. In fact watching out for the accent is the surest way to check if the gypsy in question is decent or not. But they are not irrational like muslims, they just don't want to work and want your wallet. They are unlikely to kill you if they can get your money safely without killing you. Not out of kindness, they just don't want to risk a long stay in the slammer. Mostly verbal stuff, violence is rare.

3 jews: These poor sods are always blamed for everything and their holier than thou attitude makes it really hard to sympathise with them. Mediocre dislike, they are just usually given the finger. Nothing violent, only mild verbal sparring. If they dropped the attitude, they would most likely belong to the 4th category.

4 any other non hungarian. Mild dislike and are generally left well alone if they leave us well alone. I would say this is the same isolationist xenophobia as done by the Japanese, but its a much milder variety.

Mind, interracial marriage is looked down upon, but this order is almost always absolute.