Ragen Chastain / Dances with Fat / Fat Out Loud -

[Angry New Ager]

Pl: Have worked/volunteered at zoos, in animal care.

1) You actually can't physically build a bigger MRI because the amount of radiation that it would take to get clear results through all of the adipose tissue would exceed what is safe for humans.

They don't build bigger MRIs because to do so you would have to construct a larger building, to accommodate the heavier shielding, and the costs, which are already immense, would go up considerably. Maybe even exponentially.

Yet somehow you think zoos must have these bigger, vastly more expensive, MRIs?

2) They have actually used zoo MRIs on super obese people.

NO. NO, THEY HAVEN'T.

That's because zoos don't have MRI machines in the first place.

That's due to the prohibitive costs. Also, zoos don't require that level of imaging. They use X-rays and ultrasound, which are much less expensive, and work fine for zoo animals because they're sedated for imaging (and thus don't move); plus they're not obese. A 350-400 lb silverback gorilla gives beautifully clear X-rays because he has low body fat, while a 350-400 lb lardass human does not.

The largest animals (e.g. elephants, hippos, rhinos, giraffes) can't be imaged at all, due to their size, plus the insanely high risks involved in anesthetizing and moving them for the procedure.

The largest MRIs are already in human health care; there are no other, bigger options anywhere else. All of the most advanced medical technology starts out in human health care before eventually trickling down to vet med, because human health care is where all the money is. It really is that simple.

They either stopped due to bad PR or I heard one story that the super obese were giving animals infections, meaning the humans were dirtier than the animals. Which makes sense because super obese people can't clean themselves as well.

LOL, where did you even get this shit?

 

[Salubrious]

They do have MRI scanners that can accommodate morbidly obese patients. They’re open sided and originally designed for claustrophobic patients. They are horrendously expensive though and only very specialised private hospitals have them. Your average morbidly obese patient wouldn’t be able to afford access to one, and the clinic linked has an outrageous NHS wait time.

I may have been thinking about the scans themselves.

https://www.diagnosticimaging.com/view/challenges-imaging-obese-patients

I know scans of obese patients are not as good because of the extra fat, and then the FA movement just claimed discrimination instead of physics like they always do.

NO. NO, THEY HAVEN'T.

LOL, where did you even get this shit?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/blog/2013/may/17/scanner-zoos-equipment-animals-obese

Zoo CT Scanner Inundated with Morbidly Obese Humans | GomerBlog

HOUSTON, TX - The Great Texas Zoo had very high hopes for a newly installed $2M CT scanner. Local veterinarian Dr. Levi Quinn informed Gomerblog: “It was

gomerblog.com

'We are going to have to send you to the zoo,' doctors tell obese patients too large to fit in hospital scanners

Several requests have been received by the UK’s leading veterinary college in north London from local hospitals which cannot cope with a big workload.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[brooky]

I would be shocked if someone actually said "You're too fat for the MRI." I'm absolutely certain "the MRI machine can't accommodate you" IS the standard nomenclature.

I think the real issue is that second part. "Let's talk about other options." WHAT other options? This is the technology that exists.

Somebody was told their only option to get correct diagnostic imaging was to lose weight, and that caused them to hear "the MRI can't accommodate you" as "FATTY FATTY FAT FAT!!!"

And jeeze Ragen should not own dogs. The amount of outdoor activity she did while "training" is laughable, I can't imagine those dogs get enough exercise.

 

[Angry New Ager]

These articles don't prove your claim at all.

Seriously, befote you offer up shit like this, you need to read the entire article, and read it critically. Everybody wants to believe super-mega-fatties have to go to the zoo to get medical treatment, because nobody likes fatties. I get it. But that doesn't make the urban legends that have sprung up around that true.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/blog/2013/may/17/scanner-zoos-equipment-animals-obese

This one relies on one anonymous source, who, by his own admission, never participated in, or followed up on, cases supposedly referred to the London Zoo. He's making claims about what he's heard other people say, with no firsthand knowledge.

Now, maybe his fellow consultants, annoyed and disgusted by deathfats who can't be bothered to take care of themselves, were taking the piss, and he's an autist who took it literally. Or maybe those consultants, like "Travis," had heard the same stupid stories about how LOLfatties over in Burgerland got sent to the zoo for imaging, and thought they could really do that. But it never actually happened.

The verifiable, legitimate parts of the article, which were of course buried beneath the sensationalistic claim at the top:

Spoiler

But zoos and vet schools, even if asked if they can help, say they can't. London zoo said: "We have never scanned obese people at ZSL London Zoo." Bristol, Chester and Edinburgh zoos also say it hasn't happened. Edinburgh says it doesn't have a large MRI scanner, just specially adapted mobile x-ray and ultrasound equipment that it can take to the animals.

Graham Milligan at the Royal Veterinary College in London, said: "There are no animal specific scanners (MRI or CT), they are all human scanners. It is possible for vet schools to adapt human scanners to take the weight of large animals, but not to increase the size of the scanner head, therefore scanning is limited to extremities (head, feet and lower limbs).

"This does not make them suitable for larger people, and there is a need in the health service for scanners that could take heavier patients (over 200kg). The RVC, like other schools, is not in a position to scan human patients and does not scan people."

Zoo CT Scanner Inundated with Morbidly Obese Humans | GomerBlog

HOUSTON, TX - The Great Texas Zoo had very high hopes for a newly installed $2M CT scanner. Local veterinarian Dr. Levi Quinn informed Gomerblog: “It was

gomerblog.com

"Unbelievable!” Complained Dr. Quinn. This week we were planning to use the scanner to mate the last white rhinos in captivity. Instead we had to scan a 600lb man who got nauseous at the all you can eat Chinese buffet..."

Jesus F. Christ, mate--you just cited a trying-to-be-funny fake news post as evidence. What. The. Fuck.

I thought I was maybe coming down on you too harshly for uncritically skim-reading shit, and was going to go back and edit this comment to sound a little nicer, but fuck that shit: you are a complete fucking retard, and I can't be harsh enough.

'We are going to have to send you to the zoo,' doctors tell obese patients too large to fit in hospital scanners

Several requests have been received by the UK’s leading veterinary college in north London from local hospitals which cannot cope with a big workload.

www.dailymail.co.uk

First, this one is from the Daily Fail, which rightly hates fat people and knows that "fat people are subhuman" stories are great clickbait.

Typical of the Daily Fail, this story has so many problems, and makes so many unsubstantiated claims, it's ridiculous. But since you can't fucking read, I'm just going to point you to the first two images in this story--because you can look at pictures, right?

The first is a stock image of a male patient about to go into a CT scanner.

The second is a photo of an anesthetized horse receiving a CT scan.

Look at the scanner they are using on the horse. Look at the size of the bore. Now look at the scanner being used on the human. Look at the size of the bore.

They're the same fucking size.

Now, observe how much of the horse can fit into the scanner bore. Notice how they can't get the whole horse through, because it's not big enough for that; they can only use it to scan the head and neck.

So do you really think they're sending fat people to the RVC for CT scans, when they're using the same damned scanner as is in any NHS hospital?

And this is about CT scans, not MRIs. But trust me, the RVC doesn't have an extra-large MRI capable of accommodating a horse--or a lardbeast--either.

Sending fat people to zoos for imaging of any kind doesn't happen. It makes great clickbait, and a satisfying urban legend, but it does not happen.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

1) You actually can't physically build a bigger MRI because the amount of radiation that it would take to get clear results through all of the adipose tissue would exceed what is safe for humans.

2) They have actually used zoo MRIs on super obese people. They either stopped due to bad PR or I heard one story that the super obese were giving animals infections, meaning the humans were dirtier than the animals. Which makes sense because super obese people can't clean themselves as well.

There is no radiation involved in an MRI. You are talking out your ass.

 

[Salubrious]

These articles don't prove your claim at all.

Seriously, befote you offer up shit like this, you need to read the entire article, and read it critically. Everybody wants to believe super-mega-fatties have to go to the zoo to get medical treatment, because nobody likes fatties. I get it. But that doesn't make the urban legends that have sprung up around that true.



This one relies on one anonymous source, who, by his own admission, never participated in, or followed up on, cases supposedly referred to the London Zoo. He's making claims about what he's heard other people say, with no firsthand knowledge.

Now, maybe his fellow consultants, annoyed and disgusted by deathfats who can't be bothered to take care of themselves, were taking the piss, and he's an autist who took it literally. Or maybe those consultants, like "Travis," had heard the same stupid stories about how LOLfatties over in Burgerland got sent to the zoo for imaging, and thought they could really do that. But it never actually happened.

The verifiable, legitimate parts of the article, which were of course buried beneath the sensationalistic claim at the top:

Spoiler

But zoos and vet schools, even if asked if they can help, say they can't. London zoo said: "We have never scanned obese people at ZSL London Zoo." Bristol, Chester and Edinburgh zoos also say it hasn't happened. Edinburgh says it doesn't have a large MRI scanner, just specially adapted mobile x-ray and ultrasound equipment that it can take to the animals.

Graham Milligan at the Royal Veterinary College in London, said: "There are no animal specific scanners (MRI or CT), they are all human scanners. It is possible for vet schools to adapt human scanners to take the weight of large animals, but not to increase the size of the scanner head, therefore scanning is limited to extremities (head, feet and lower limbs).

"This does not make them suitable for larger people, and there is a need in the health service for scanners that could take heavier patients (over 200kg). The RVC, like other schools, is not in a position to scan human patients and does not scan people."

"Unbelievable!” Complained Dr. Quinn. This week we were planning to use the scanner to mate the last white rhinos in captivity. Instead we had to scan a 600lb man who got nauseous at the all you can eat Chinese buffet..."

Jesus F. Christ, mate--you just cited a trying-to-be-funny fake news post as evidence. What. The. Fuck.

I thought I was maybe coming down on you too harshly for uncritically skim-reading shit, and was going to go back and edit this comment to sound a little nicer, but fuck that shit: you are a complete fucking retard, and I can't be harsh enough.



First, this one is from the Daily Fail, which rightly hates fat people and knows that "fat people are subhuman" stories are great clickbait.

Typical of the Daily Fail, this story has so many problems, and makes so many unsubstantiated claims, it's ridiculous. But since you can't fucking read, I'm just going to point you to the first two images in this story--because you can look at pictures, right?

The first is a stock image of a male patient about to go into a CT scanner.

The second is a photo of an anesthetized horse receiving a CT scan.

Look at the scanner they are using on the horse. Look at the size of the bore. Now look at the scanner being used on the human. Look at the size of the bore.

They're the same fucking size.

Now, observe how much of the horse can fit into the scanner bore. Notice how they can't get the whole horse through, because it's not big enough for that; they can only use it to scan the head and neck.

So do you really think they're sending fat people to the RVC for CT scans, when they're using the same damned scanner as is in any NHS hospital?

And this is about CT scans, not MRIs. But trust me, the RVC doesn't have an extra-large MRI capable of accommodating a horse--or a lardbeast--either.

Sending fat people to zoos for imaging of any kind doesn't happen. It makes great clickbait, and a satisfying urban legend, but it does not happen.

There is no radiation involved in an MRI. You are talking out your ass.

Edit: You're right about MRIs. I was thinking of X-Rays.

Here is an official scientific article regarding the challenges of imaging obese people.

Technical challenges of imaging & image-guided interventions in obese patients

Edit: Ah ha! Here it is. I was thinking of X-Rays, not MRIs.

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6498/aaf1dd/meta

Increased radiation dose and projected radiation-related lifetime cancer risk in patients with obesity due to projection radiography

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

I'm willing to admit I may have gotten the details mixed up a bit.

Here is an official scientific article regarding the challenges of imaging obese people.

Technical challenges of imaging & image-guided interventions in obese patients

That is not at all what you were talking about. Stop skim reading articles that are beyond your comprehension and shitting up the thread with your smooth brain conjecture.

 

[Salubrious]

That is not at all what you were talking about. Stop skim reading articles that are beyond your comprehension and shitting up the thread with your smooth brain conjecture.

I confused X-Rays with MRIs. My bad.

X-Rays increase cancer risk in obese patients.

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6498/aaf1dd/meta

 

[sperginity]

I did some research on the available types of MRI machines because of amberlynn reid's cancer diagnosis. The post is here if anyone gives a shit, there are pictures & everything. The bottom line was that you generally have to travel far to access one of these things and insurance may or may not cover it. Losing some god damn weight is absolutely free and a guaranteed way to fit into a normal machine, so its the obvious solution. Jullianne is going to fucking die and ragen is going to blame the doctors. Her wife's family will blame her though. its going to be rough.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

The other thing about being fat and needing imaging is that regardless of modality, having too much fat has an adverse effect on the quality of the images. So, go ahead and drive three hours to get your open MRI, reeeeeeing all the way about muh fatmisia, but the image quality might not be good enough to tell your doctor anything anyway.

REEEEEE THE LAWS OF PHYSICS ARE FATPHOBIC

 

[Gramlol]

I wonder if Juliennes family could sue Ragen or HAES for wrongful death lol.

It's weird how only a few sources (I found.. two) outside of youtubers have criticised HAES and fat acceptance, as dangerous. I found this great article on The Guardian, but that's the same publication giving space to Virgie Tovar lol.
Why can the same people who supposedly believe the science about climate change, vaccinating, mask wearing etc (which I agree with those things) but have a blind spot insisting that obesity is not dangerous, if you eat too much it won't make you fat?? Though often the same allies are actually counting cals probably, and may be secretly glad the fatties make them look hotter in comparison lol.

This article was great, and she has a book too

I lost 13 stone – now I know the truth about obesity

For years, I swallowed all the theories about fat, believing I could be obese and fit. Here are five dangerous myths, debunked

www.theguardian.com

 

[knobslobbin]

If the feet thick walls of blubber are blocking the imaging, why don't they sedate the whales and then slice and peel back a curtain of fat during the imaging?

I should be a doctor, always thinking outside the box.

While they're in there, why don't they routinely carve off 100 pounds chunks of fat off these lardos? Hospitals could have a side business making soap. I bet human fat derived soap is really good for the skin, and probably smells like kfc+taco bell+mcDs combined.

 

[Tearon the Dotted Lion]

Humansoap.com
She needs to get with the program here! She could make a killing!

In other news, this is part of an art installation: https://www.theguardian.com/culture...siphoned-human-fat-left-audiences-in-a-lather

Also see: "Soap-Maker of Correggio" https://allthatsinteresting.com/leonarda-cianciulli

 

[Clotso Coof]

@FuckDuckSeagull found some fatass HAES doctor in the UK who is still citing Ragen as an inspiring athlete (quote is posted in general Fat Acceptance Movement/Fat Girlcows thread):

I found a FA doctor from the UK. She posted about Ragen, how she is an aThLeTe no matter what the trolls say. Surprisingly she's a deathfat and not a skinny bitch trying to mine money by telling fatties Yas Qween.
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[LonesomeDud]

I would be shocked if someone actually said "You're too fat for the MRI." I'm absolutely certain "the MRI machine can't accommodate you" IS the standard nomenclature.

I think the real issue is that second part. "Let's talk about other options." WHAT other options? This is the technology that exists.

Somebody was told their only option to get correct diagnostic imaging was to lose weight, and that caused them to hear "the MRI can't accommodate you" as "FATTY FATTY FAT FAT!!!"

And jeeze Ragen should not own dogs. The amount of outdoor activity she did while "training" is laughable, I can't imagine those dogs get enough exercise.

I wouldn't. Poke the bear enough and you'll get a response.

"The MRI can't accomodate you."
"Why can't it accomodate me?"
"The machines have width and heighth restrictions."
"Oh, you can't accomodate me because I'm a superfat?"

Have no doubt, some people push and poke until they upset doctors and then get surprised they don't have boundless patience.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

I wouldn't. Poke the bear enough and you'll get a response.

"The MRI can't accomodate you."
"Why can't it accomodate me?"
"The machines have width and heighth restrictions."
"Oh, you can't accomodate me because I'm a superfat?"

Have no doubt, some people push and poke until they upset doctors and then get surprised they don't have boundless patience.

Play stupid games, etc. etc.

I think for some people there is an element of denial at work. They don't want to believe they're in the state they're actually in, much less that it's a thing they've inflicted on themselves,so they keep asking questions until they hear something they don't like so that they can redirect their anger at someone else.

It's a bit like a terminal cancer patient who keeps asking about new trials even though he's literally dying and doesn't have enough time to try another treatment. He hasn't accepted his mortality yet, so he keeps asking in the hopes that the next time, his doctor will say oh yeah, actually, that Phase I will be a perfect fit for you and you should go for it. The only difference is that the cancer patient didn't cause his own illness.

 

[Bobsuruncle]

Its not obesity that causes high blood pressure you guys! Raging Chestpains knows better than the doctors.

 

[idomyfoodbucketlist]

Its not obesity that causes high blood pressure you guys! Raging Chestpains knows better than the doctors.

Doctors have had cuffs for larger people for a long ass time. Men with muscular arms need them too. If you are morbidly obese they want to get an accurate reading on you.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

Its not obesity that causes high blood pressure you guys! Raging Chestpains knows better than the doctors.
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"Incompetent and uncaring." Ragen is even more of a bitch these days after dealing with Julianne's worsening health issues, lmao. I can't wait to read about threats of lawsuits when Julianne finally dies from weighing 700+ pounds.

As for taking blood pressure correctly, it's a widespread issue, not just something that affects the morbidly obese. And no one is targeting fatties to make them seem more hypertensive than other groups ffs.

 

[DemonicMustache]

I used to follow Regan religiously, because she of her athletic feats. Did she ever complete that Ironman?