Reasons behind the Black/White division in the US -

[Getting tard comed]

Going to posit a hypothesis and see what you esteemed kiwis think about it. Ignoring whatever effect slavery may or may not have had, the 60's destruction of the black family, the crack epidemic, toxic/unproductive hip hop culture, and the average IQ difference that exists; could the fact that modern day US blacks ancestors were forced here be a significant factor in the lack of assimilation(if possible at all)?

Historically speaking, almost every other group of people who are here have ancestors who chose to come here and chose to stay. When you look at past immigration numbers pre-welfare policies enacted in the 60's a significant portion of immigrants went home, either because they couldn't cut it or didn't like it. Which meant everyone who stayed either could cut it or liked it more than they did at home which meant they were choosing to accept and follow American ideals, values, societal standards. American blacks didn't get that choice.

Epigenetics may or not be a "real" thing, I'm not sure, but if it is real this hypothesis might help explain why unlike every other immigrant group who has come here American blacks have difficulty living by and under American/Western norms. American blacks specifically because other nationalities of the negroid(?) race, Jamaicans, Nigerians, ect, generally do a better job of 'fitting in' and abiding by American professionalism.

Look forward to your thoughts.

 

[TFT-A9]

The fact that (some of) their ancestors were brought here on boats as slaves didn't stop a bunch of them from assimilating and integrating. That really wouldn't be their best excuse.

 

[Zvantastika]

LOL your hypothesis is really flawed because it makes some really wild assumptions there.

But lets just pretend, for a moment, that it is correct and that black people are forced into Murica. If that was the case, modern dindus wouldn't be asking for reparations due to what happened ages ago, they would be asking for a paid trip back to Africa or whatever country of their preference.

The problem you reference is the lack of choice between staying and leaving, if they stay they must adapt, if they leave they must have the resources to do so, since dindus slaves did not have a choice, they were super fucked, but when slavery was abolished, they now had a choice and most of them decided to stay, they did have a choice to leave too, perhaps not back to Africa but at least other countries in America. This same choice still exist but most minorities will find it more profitable to reeeeeee about racism and get money and power out from it which is the whole real point of the division.

It's always about money and power, if it's not blacks vs whites, it's christians vs jews, male vs female, west vs east, etc, people will always try to find a common enemy in order to get their own shit hammered over others, what these people probably choose to ignore is that sooner or later, they will be branded the enemy someday because their dumb witchhunt never ends. This also explains the cannibalism of major groups, like how trans were super supportive towards gays and lesbians but the moment those two got some power, now they were also part of the problem and now branded an enemy of the looneys.

 

[Foxxo]

Peter Schiff said something like this to Stefan Molyneux:

"People say that America isn't a melting pot, but it is. Everyone who comes here immediately integrates into the American culture of playing the victim!"

Other than that, you still have some racism, which is amplified by the media to try and cover entire groups because it's more profitable to paint reality as Red vs. Blue.

 

[DumbDude42]

Ignoring whatever effect slavery may or may not have had

you can't just ignore that lol
slavery is the key event of ethnogenesis for american blacks, it's the only reason why american blacks as a people/ethnicity exist in the first place. it's what turned a bunch of different west african pagan tribals into english speaking american christians with a shared ethnic identity.

the racial divide runs a lot deeper than that though. ethnic tensions and strife are a human universal that exists wherever different ethnicities come into large scale contact. happens on all continents, throughout all ages in history.
the only way to avoid ethnic tensions is to have a homegeneous, monoethnic society, where foreigners either do not exist in significant numbers, or completely assimilate into the host ethnicity.

but there's two major problems with that approach in the context of the united states.

one: blacks are too different from whites. you can't assimilate when your physical appearance immediately and instantly identifies you as a foreigner. this applies even to mixed white/black hybrids, to the point where even people who are just 1/4 or 1/8 black are still easily recognized as partially black.
this problem does not exist between ethnicities within the same race: a korean can assimilate into japanese society, a pole can assimilate into czech society, a thai can assimilate into vietnamese society, a frenchman into english society, a nigerian into kenyan society, etc.

two: blacks are too numerous. assimilation only occurs if foreigners are an infrequent occurence, if they are atomized and disconnected from each other to a degree that forces them to socially integrate with the host nation.
but if they have large enough numbers to form their own communities, then assimilation does not occur, and they instead develop a distinct culture that is separate from the host nation.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Breitbart understood what happened here more than most others.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

this problem does not exist between ethnicities within the same race: a korean can assimilate into japanese society, a pole can assimilate into czech society, a thai can assimilate into vietnamese society, a frenchman into english society, a nigerian into kenyan society, etc.

I'm going to stop you right there: a Korean has a worse chance of assimilating into Japanese society than a Jew has of assimilating into the KKK. Most of Japan's population is still very conservative, and part of that conservatism is the belief that Koreans are subhumans occupying rightful Japanese clay (the Korean peninsula) in a thousand-year case of revanchist spirit. Even if a Korean threw out all identifying aspects of Korean culture, his Korean appearance would still mark him as a filthy garlic-eater and cause him to face a considerable amount of discrimination, including being turned away from the many Japanese-only businesses, declined from most jobs, and refused residency in anything but the most beaten-up hellhole mansion*.
Your assessment that "people of the same race but different ethnicities can assimilate, while people of different races can't" is facile.

*TL Note: "Mansion" is a Japanese term for an apartment complex, adopted because of the sense of exotic luxury it conveys.

 

[DumbDude42]

I'm going to stop you right there: a Korean has a worse chance of assimilating into Japanese society than a Jew has of assimilating into the KKK. Most of Japan's population is still very conservative, and part of that conservatism is the belief that Koreans are subhumans occupying rightful Japanese clay (the Korean peninsula) in a thousand-year case of revanchist spirit. Even if a Korean threw out all identifying aspects of Korean culture, his Korean appearance would still mark him as a filthy garlic-eater and cause him to face a considerable amount of discrimination, including being turned away from the many Japanese-only businesses, declined from most jobs, and refused residency in anything but the most beaten-up hellhole mansion*.
Your assessment that "people of the same race but different ethnicities can assimilate, while people of different races can't" is facile.

*TL Note: "Mansion" is a Japanese term for an apartment complex, adopted because of the sense of exotic luxury it conveys.

i know that koreans and japanese absolutely hate each others guts, my point is that they aren't drastically visually distinct to the same degree that white and black americans are.
sure you can sort of identify them apart from each other by looking for stereotypical features like the korean square jaw or the japanese buckteeth, but they're close enough to each other that a korean/japanese hybrid won't stick out like a sore thumb, whereas that level of blending in is completely impossible for blacks in white countries.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

i know that koreans and japanese absolutely hate each others guts, my point is that they aren't drastically visually distinct like white and black americans are.
sure you can sort of identify them apart from each other by looking for stereotypical features like the korean square jaw or the japanese buckteeth, but they're close enough to each other that a korean/japanese hybrid won't stick out like a sore thumb, whereas that level of blending in is completely impossible for blacks in white countries.

Maybe to your simple ass. The nips that I know say they can peg any Korean or Chinaman as instantly distinct from them on sight, including when they're mixed.
Just because all Asians look the same to you doesn't mean they look the same to each other.

You're basically saying that a Dane and a Greek look the exact same unless you look very closely.

 

[DumbDude42]

Maybe to your simple ass. The nips that I know say they can peg any Korean or Chinaman as instantly distinct from them on sight, including when they're mixed.
Just because all Asians look the same to you doesn't mean they look the same to each other.

You're basically saying that a Dane and a Greek look the exact same unless you look very closely.

no, i'm basically saying that a dane and a swede look the exact same unless you look very closely.
dane vs greek is a lot further apart, the fitting asian analogy for that would be something like japanese vs pinoy.

 

[Dom Cruise]

The division is only as bad as it is in 2020 because of decades of race hustlers poking and prodding it for their own personal gain.

Your average black and white person in America just wanted to move the fuck on and just live their lives in peace.

If things had been allowed to evolve naturally and people had learned to ignore the hustlers, things would not be as bad as they are today.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

no, i'm basically saying that a dane and a swede look the exact same unless you look very closely.
dane vs greek is a lot further apart, the fitting asian analogy for that would be something like japanese vs pinoy.

You are assuming a degree of Korean admixture with the Japanese that's directly counterfactual with that comparison.
I won't continue to entertain this, as its clear you're the sort of person who just continues to double down and dig your heels in long after you should have gracefully conceded the point.

 

[Rafal Gan Ganowicz]

Niggers are animalistic and hateful because they are stupid. Genetically so. This was capitalised upon by smart ((commies))) and the nigs were too dumb to see through it. As long as niggers keep listening to (((commies))) it will never improve.

 

[DumbDude42]

You are assuming a degree of Korean admixture with the Japanese that's directly counterfactual with that comparison.

look man im not a population geneticist but i do know that the modern japanese are the descendants of ancient peoples who migrated to the japanese islands from the korean peninsula. japanese and koreans do in fact have common ancestry that is really damn close. like, we're not talking out of africa tier prehistoric common ancestors dating back hundreds of thousands of years, we're talking barely 3000 years ago here.

 

[Secret Asshole]

The wealthy funding the divide so that poor blacks and poor whites don't realize that its the rich in general who are destroying them. This has gone on since the beginning of time.

 

[Hux]

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

I won't continue to entertain this, as its clear you're the sort of person who just continues to double down and dig your heels in long after you should have gracefully conceded the point.

Not even getting into the discussion, but shut the fuck up you self-important autist. You are not the master of debates in this sperg-watching forum.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

Try visiting Europe and ask a Frenchman about the Boche. Or ask an Italian about Romanian guest workers. Or ask a Polack about Germans and Russians. Ask ten different Polacks about PiS. Or ask a Slovakian about Hungarians, then ask a Hungarian about Slovakians. Do the same with Serbians and Croatians.

There's always going to be some kind of divide between people.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

Try visiting Europe and ask a Frenchman about the Boche. Or ask an Italian about Romanian guest workers. Or ask a Polack about Germans and Russians. Ask ten different Polacks about PiS. Or ask a Slovakian about Hungarians, then ask a Hungarian about Slovakians. Do the same with Serbians and Croatians.

There's always going to be some kind of divide between people.

The mans correct. I don't like niggers. I hate pakis and Muslims in general far more.

 

[Dildo]

One side is perpetuating a toxic culture that glorifies violence, misogyny, workshyness, crime, racism amongst other undesirable things and the other is very often the victim of this culture and every increasingly irked about being pointed at as the source of the problems of the toxic culture.

I've seen black kids getting bullied for trying to make something of themselves, and it's never by white kids. African American Black culture is the source of strife, conflict, and discord within the US but I really have no idea how you'd fix it.

I know it isn't just a black thing, because actual Africans seem to be even more hostile to African American ways than Whites are.