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Tismguide

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Do you have monopoly laws over there? There’s been talk of breaking up alphabet I know but I have no idea of what is and is not possible legally.
We do, but both parties have been kind of awful at actually doing any kind of trust busting for long enough that I'm not that optimistic. You're completely correct IMO that trust busting and reducing financial regulation is the solution to "muh private company" talking points. Common carrier regulation is an intriguing alternative but the past few years have shown me that relying on bureaucrats to actually follow the law doesn't work past a certain degree of polarization we've long since sailed past.

There is currently a market failure on non-left content, and part of it is caused by government regulation.

I also like the optics of Trump going this route, since it would simultaneously be a big "fuck you" to neocons and neolibs, and lead to hilarious alignments like Elizabeth Warren. It would help dismantle what is left of the Dems' mythology around standing up for the common man against big business.

To be honest, I think this is the reason the problem has gone on as long as it has.

No matter how much people cry about censorship on these giant corporate websites, many of them are hesitant to actually leave because leaving would reduce their audience. They don't want to just talk with other people or share their opinion, they want to preach to a crowd and get lots of asspats, and the draw of these big corporate sites is that just about everyone else is using them. Every so often a wave of bans results in a small exodus to somewhere else, but that exodus never lasts for long because there's not enough of an audience to hold most users' interest.

Having a return to small forums would ultimately solve a lot of issues, but people would have to be broken of their addiction to ego-stroking first.
There's also the problem of discoverability even aside from the barrier to use. How do niche forums find new users to grow to a good size, replace those that leave, etc? How do they cover the bills? How do their admins resist getting doxed and fired from their jobs? Look at all Null has had to endure and sacrifice to keep this place up.

I'm personally favoring more of the "get off the internet" approach, but I worry a lot that ceding it to the censors means cutting off our ability to prevent the next generation from getting radicalized into supporting the status quo (an absurd statement, but that's what it is). They've managed to give the appearance of normalizing this shit. The best chance to fight that is highlighting its contradictions, but I'm still worried they may get away with it, and then the history books will say that "popular attitudes just shifted".

The problem isn't a closed group communicating under the radar, they're terrified of opposition actually organizing, but that requires going out of stealth mode.

It's really a 1-2 punch of centralized sites being controlled by some authoritarian fuck and alternative tech stacks never being able to compete on on UX, and likely to be shut down as "terrorism" if they ever actually took off.

Honestly? I think porn is gonna be the next thing to get axed given how advertiser friendly reddit has become, then it's going to go the way of tumblr.

There's been a lot of 'reddit is dying' fear-mongering on the site for years, but in the event they end up doing that, along with recent policy changes and the ever-looming threat of the revocation of sec. 230, we're actively watching reddit actually die this time.
I disagree on the porn. The left is sex positive, trads have no power, and TERFs have been outlawed forever. It will be policed like any other form of consumption media (I will lmao at PornGate), but it's here to stay at this point, at least in some form, even if they decide to ban cis porn or something.

I know The Donald was huge compared to the rest of Reddit in its day, but even so, I'm skeptical enough people will care enough to stop using it to even make a dent in it in the short term. The damage from this, if any, will come when the monoculture is caught completely flatfooted by some cultural or technological shift (e.g., old media vs new), and unable to adapt, and that takes time.

The problem with salami slicing is that it works.

Hmph. It took 20 million dollars and sitting on the damn thing for 14 years, but Conde Nast is finally getting to flex their purchasing power and "shift the narrative" 4 months before the election. I'm sure it feels good, like firing that old hunting rifle that's been on the den wall for the first time in two decades. Problem is, they haven't been shooting regularly, and aren't going to hit their marks. All those right wingers are going to remember who to vote for in 4 months, all you've done is scare them into the brush.
Of course, but will they be able to organize to spread their message, counteract left wing propaganda, communicate new members, get out the vote, etc? These censorship pushes are entirely about preventing the spread, not stamping it out, whether because underground communities don't get bad press or the realization that they can just smother it with a pillow and it'll die in a generation.
 

tranny2000

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>167 "people" felt compelled to spend money on Internet stickers to give them to the admin of the site
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This is almost $1000 worth of reddit gilds.

Spez (40,000c = $100) x6 = $600
Argentium (20,000c = $50) x3 = $150
Platinum (1800c = $6) x10 = $60
Mr. Splashy Pants / Pot o’ Coins (1000c = $4) x3 = $12
Made Me Smile / Heart Eyes / Cake / Wholesome Pro / Snoo Nice / Helpful Pro / Gold (500c = $2) x22 = $44
Bravo (400c = $1.60) x5 = $8
Updoot / This / Rocket Like / Got the W / 2020 Vision (300c = $1.20) x7 = $8.40
Yas Queen / Mind Blown / Awesome Answer / Super Heart Eyes (250c = $1) x5 = $5
Stonks Rising / Stonks Falling / I'm Deceased (200c = $0.80) x10 = $8
Press F / Bless Up (150c = $0.60) x3 = $1.80
Wholesome (125c = $0.50) x3 = $1.50
Silver (100c = $0.40) x6 = $2.40
Bravo Grande (75c = $0.30) x3 = $0.90
Snek / Faith in Humanity Restored / Facepalm (70c = $0.28) x16 = $4.48
Take My Energy / I Am Disappoint / Couch, Fridge, Bed, Work / Ally (50c = $0.20) x47 = $9.40
Narwhal Salute / All-Seeing Upvote / Safe and Social / Healthcare Hero (30c = $0.12) x18 = $2.16

TOTAL: $918.04

Good job, Reddit. You totally showed him by sending him hundreds of dollars worth of downvote flairs. Go to your room.
 

Stasi

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For me I think it was doomed from the start because of its voting system that conditions users to toe the line or risk being down voted. Socrates hated democracy because it let dumb people vote and on Reddit the exact same mob rule issue exists. the user base quantifies your posts and comments not by how true they are but by how well they fit the narrative of a subreddit and spread its and ideas. For example a comment saying "FUCK TERFS!!! TRANS RIGHTS!!" would likely get many more up votes than a well thought out comment or critique of LGBTQ issues on a trans subreddit. this is almost exactly the kind of future described in the game MGS2 where "no one can be invalidated but no one is right". I think 4chan does things way better by having most boards be on broad subjects instead of specific ones.
I think the vote system is a big part of it. You got stickers here but no one really cares. Yeh you might subconsciously skip over posts that have 20 autismo rates but no one is hiding your comments and shadow banning you because you disagree with the prevailing opinion and are getting downvoted into oblivion. They basically created a systems turbo boosting herd mentality and circlejerking for asspats. Any dissenting opinion gets swiftly stomped down.

Its not even a case of 'dumb' people specifically like the Socrates example. You can disagree with the prevailing opinion and get a tsunami of downvotes even if you express just that, an opinion.
 

7emporal

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Really the only people displaced by this ban are those who are not part of the Reddit army of mindless consumer drones. but like @6thRanger said the conservatives who had there subreddits banned never seem to get the hint no mater how many times it happens. They have had plenty of time to reject Reddit and at least make an account on some other site as a back up.

As someone who used to only really use the internet for flash games and rage comics joining plebbit like a year ago was a big mistake and I feel like it has ruined my creativity. if anyone has any advice on how to dereddit your brain let me know.

EDIT: what do you guys think is the change that doomed Reddit?

For me I think it was doomed from the start because of its voting system that conditions users to toe the line or risk being down voted. Socrates hated democracy because it let dumb people vote and on Reddit the exact same mob rule issue exists. the user base quantifies your posts and comments not by how true they are but by how well they fit the narrative of a subreddit and spread its and ideas. For example a comment saying "FUCK TERFS!!! TRANS RIGHTS!!" would likely get many more up votes than a well thought out comment or critique of LGBTQ issues on a trans subreddit. this is almost exactly the kind of future described in the game MGS2 where "no one can be invalidated but no one is right". I think 4chan does things way better by having most boards be on broad subjects instead of specific ones.

(also I know it shows I never edited this comment I just typed this up a while ago but never posted and added the edit just now)
your right about the voting system, having likes and dislikes on a website at all is a bad idea, or at least it seems so to me. if a site is going to have likes though, I think the system the farms has is good, because unlike reddit, you can't be silenced because people don't like you. this leads me into my point, which is this: it was doomed to fail from the beginning, having a system that gives/takes visibility based on the opinion of the masses is so dumb I can't believe the people who made reddit even thought it was a good idea. contrast that to something like 4chan/any chan really, and you see why the latter is always associated with having the best memes/bantz/whatever. it's partially romanticism, but a good portion of the idea that the chans are the best places for memes is mostly correct. an anonymous site, with the only sorting system being how recent a thread was posted, is a prime environment for weeding out shitty content. any thread that gets ignored falls away, and active ones bump back to the top. your right about 4chan having broader topics, but I have always seen it's success as a consequence of it's lack of censorship, both from the mods and from the community. throw anonymity into the mix and you are FORCED to base your opinion on the ideas in the post, and not the account of the op, i.e. there is no: "sweaty, I just looked through your post history, and oh sweet summer child, I thought this was the 21st century, blah blah blah..."
all in all, lack of censorship and "vooting" makes a better site than one that utilizes voting and censorship.
tl didn't read:
yet another post saying "OmG Le 4ChAn iS EpIc AnD BaSeD aNd ReDdIt Is CrInGe"
 

yoshitsune

Late Heian period cowboy
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I honestly wish I had that option.
You've got 2 options:
1. Go on Duolingo, learn a new language.
2. OK this will sound fucking crazy, but trust me. I raided some Nigerian forum with some people and we ended up staying because they're fucking hilarious. English is the lingua franca in Nigeria so we could easily fit in, we just pretended we were 2nd generation immigrants in the UK. Find a website of some country where English is the spoken language and then pretend you're a 2nd generation immigrant. Be careful though, not all countries are very fond of diaspora.
 

NoReturn

CEO Wash & Smash llc.
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I honestly wish I had that option.

That said, has anyone actually made a living off reddit? I know this sounds stupid, but what I mean is - people have made livings or gone on to have professional jobs from youtube due to the content they create. Same can be said for websites like wattpad, deviantart, tumblr(back in the day) and the likes. Has anyone actually rose to fame from reddit or is it a literal waste of time? Not that I can say I've made a living, but reddit has usually been one of the worst places for me to try and get business.
The only people I've seen "rise to fame" on that site were destroyed by it.
  • Saydrah - Created the early-reddit catchphrase "The narwhal bacons at midnight" while hanging out in Denver International Airport one day. Was later caught working in marketing and talking about how reddit can be used to promote products (literally how most social media marketing works today). Redditors threw and absolute shit fit and chased her off the site and tried to get her fired.
  • Unidan - Was the "science guy" for reddit until he got in an argument about the proper name for a certain black corvid. Then he got banned. The original claim was he was banned for the argument, but then the official reason reddit gave was "upvote manipulation".
  • Victoria Taylor - Former reddit AMA interviewer. Fired by Alexis Ohanian because he wanted to take over the AMA section.
  • Gallowboob, Shitty_Watercolor, and friends - Used reddit for marketing their own businesses and projects because they got no support from the site for anything they were doing on the site. (Compare with a place like YouTube that says "Hey, we see you're drawing a lot of traffic to the site. Let's work together). Gallowboob also used his reddit karma on his CV. Make of that what you will.
  • Luna Lovewell - Prolific /r/WritingPrompts user. Became pretty famous, tried to leverage that for her own writing. Failed hardcore.
  • Prufrock451 - Wrote a short story called "Rome Sweet Rome" which got picked up by "Hollywood" and then immediately fell into obscurity. Appears to have sold his reddit account.
 

gangweedfan

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your right about the voting system, having likes and dislikes on a website at all is a bad idea, or at least it seems so to me. if a site is going to have likes though, I think the system the farms has is good, because unlike reddit, you can't be silenced because people don't like you. this leads me into my point, which is this: it was doomed to fail from the beginning, having a system that gives/takes visibility based on the opinion of the masses is so dumb I can't believe the people who made reddit even thought it was a good idea. contrast that to something like 4chan/any chan really, and you see why the latter is always associated with having the best memes/bantz/whatever. it's partially romanticism, but a good portion of the idea that the chans are the best places for memes is mostly correct. an anonymous site, with the only sorting system being how recent a thread was posted, is a prime environment for weeding out shitty content. any thread that gets ignored falls away, and active ones bump back to the top. your right about 4chan having broader topics, but I have always seen it's success as a consequence of it's lack of censorship, both from the mods and from the community. throw anonymity into the mix and you are FORCED to base your opinion on the ideas in the post, and not the account of the op, i.e. there is no: "sweaty, I just looked through your post history, and oh sweet summer child, I thought this was the 21st century, blah blah blah..."
all in all, lack of censorship and "vooting" makes a better site than one that utilizes voting and censorship.
tl didn't read:
yet another post saying "OmG Le 4ChAn iS EpIc AnD BaSeD aNd ReDdIt Is CrInGe"
IMO 4chan cannot handle a ton of users. while normally things run smoothly on large boards like /v/ I see "(you) farming" where people seem to make there post fit a meme format or stir up shit so they can get attention and the thread wont die. Small boards are perfect though.

Is it true that the admin moot no longer cares about the site? its a shame if true because 4chan and 2chan (the text only japan version) seem to have had 10 times more soul (I know its a buzzword and I dont care) than most sites. it sucks that I wasnt on it in the 2000s because it would have been right up my alley

these days however kiwi farms has the most soul of any site. mainly because we are united around our hatred of smug internet retards so our community has very few of them if any.
 

7emporal

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If you are from Reddit....
Please click the “signup icon”
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Then fuck off.
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jersh saves the day again. I wonder how /pol/ is going to cope with all the alt-lite retards who are going to migrate there, should be something interesting to watch.

IMO 4chan cannot handle a ton of users. while normally things run smoothly on large boards like /v/ I see "(you) farming" where people seem to make there post fit a meme format or stir up shit so they can get attention and the thread wont die. Small boards are perfect though.

Is it true that the admin moot no longer cares about the site? its a shame if true because 4chan and 2chan (the text only japan version) seem to have had 10 times more soul (I know its a buzzword and I dont care) than most sites. it sucks that I wasnt on it in the 2000s because it would have been right up my alley

these days however kiwi farms has the most soul of any site. mainly because we are united around our hatred of smug internet retards so our community has very few of them if any.
moot left years ago, he made the place when he was 15 after all, I doubt he was ready for it to get huge, especially now that the media has attacked it over and over. it has hiroshimoot now
 

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The Pink Panther

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In case you were wondering, Reddit's new ADL approved rules SPECIFICALLY ALLOW RACISM against White people, Sexism against Men, Bigotry against Heterosexuals, Harassment of "cis" (normal) people by Troons, et cetera.

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Reminder:

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No matter what they tell you: It's not Racism. It's pattern recognition and self defense.
Man, do the kikes really gotta begin with this shit NOW?
 

NoReturn

CEO Wash & Smash llc.
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Is it true that the admin moot no longer cares about the site?
moot left years ago, he made the place when he was 15 after all, I doubt he was ready for it to get huge, especially now that the media has attacked it over and over. it has hiroshimoot now
Moot's been gone for years. He tried to start a place called Canvas and it crashed and burned within a few years, then gave up entirely, quit 4chan, and sold it the founder of 2channel Hiroyuki Nishimura. Moot has since fucked off to Japan and works for Google now.
 

7emporal

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spez is a sped for allowing this bullshit to bloom in full. Watch these broken bastards fall apart when this bullshit finally dies.
i'll grab my popcorn when it does. I heard something a while ago about reddit having financial troubles, does anyone know anything about that?
if it goes like tumblr did, I assume the fallout would be worse because of the sheer number of retards who use the site
 
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yoshitsune

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i'll grab my popcorn when it does. I heard something a while ago about reddit having financial troubles, does anyone know anything about that?
if it goes like tumblr did, I assume the fallout would be worse because of the sheer number of retards who use the site
I wouldn't be surprised if all of the big social media sites have money problems and are just being kept alive because they're great for social engineering.
 
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