Return of Kings and Roosh V / Roosh Vorek / Daryush Valizadeh - Thread #2: Return of Douches. NPC Roosh, Hater of Human Female Buttocks & also just Human Females in General.

[Shaka Brah]

Some of the factual arguments he gives though are a bit annoying and it's hard not to see this move as just another episode of his theatrical purity spiraling. He's a flawed man pointing out weaknesses in a church that took him back with his history and reputation. He's a church shopping American complaining about a lack of authenticity of Armenian monasteries. He's a sinner publicly scolding his former parish for dirty secrets and fakery. Perhaps the church needs some forgiving and rebuilding just like Roosh does.

I understand the need for a strong guidance. Once again though, having a praying corner and desiring "active miracle-working icons" feels a bit like a way to demonstrate a faith, rather than deepen it. Roosh is an intelligent enough man to grasp a more abstract, intimate approach to faith but he chooses the more bombastic aesthetics at every turn. I can tell he lives a minimalist life, yet he seeks all this physical stuff for his prayer. It's like some sort of a medieval LARP.
And I'm only commenting it because he's making it all very public. I wouldn't have otherwise.

I think this is part of his cultural upbringing. That theatricality is common to all Eastern denominations and even people who are private (i.e. not always online) exhibit pretty similar excesses in devotion sometimes. I'm willing to bet his grandma had a corner of the house dedicated to incense, saintly icons, and other religious art. In much the same way as you often see foreign-born Catholics with decked-out home altars.

We outside the Orthodox Church affectionately tease them as loving "smells and bells" for a good reason. Orthodoxy relies on a certain theatricality of rite and worship to reinforce the majesty of the supernatural, but moreso even than Catholics do in some ways. Him reaching for that rote worship and desiring the... I guess you could call it the appearance of orthodoxy? I'm not sure how else to describe it. But there always seemed to me to be a sense in which the production of it was integral to it being votive enough.

Anyway I can imagine some of it might be church-shopping, but I can also see how someone raised the way he was finds the theatricality necessary. He does talk about how his church has lost a lot of the elements it used to, and I'm gonna go on a limb and guess that they were things that he had in that church as a child and wants back.

 

[shameful existence]

I think this is part of his cultural upbringing. That theatricality is common to all Eastern denominations and even people who are private (i.e. not always online) exhibit pretty similar excesses in devotion sometimes. I'm willing to bet his grandma had a corner of the house dedicated to incense, saintly icons, and other religious art.

I've heard him say it before and he repeated the point in this blog post - he grew up with pretty much nothing Armenian:
I was not raised with an Armenian identity. My mother was born in Istanbul and is much closer to Turkish culture than Armenian. Her relatives and friends all prefer to speak Turkish. While she stayed in the Church, and decided for me to be baptized as a child, she taught me nothing culturally or spiritually Armenian

So it's like going back to a tradition that was never his (even with the Armenian, let alone Russian church). "Appearance of orthodoxy" is a good way to put it. I remember the first change about him when he entered this new episode of his life two years ago was that he started growing a massive beard.

 

[Ima Spedonym2]

til that Roosh is still alive

 

[Kosher Dill]

I'm surprised he's still going with the Orthodox LARP, but I'm even more surprised that he seems to have accreted at least a few readers who think it's serious.

 

[Ima Spedonym2]

I'm surprised he's still going with the Orthodox LARP, but I'm even more surprised that he seems to have accreted at least a few readers who think it's serious.

Roosh is as serious about orthodoxy as Milo is about not getting cornholed.

 

[shameful existence]

I wonder if he still speaks to his parents. (From today's stream, potato quality.)

 

[benutz]

RVF was always more than a PUA or MRA forum.

It was a male safe space for men to bitch about women, about other men that enable them. But it was never nasty (ok, it was sometimes). Very few men there really cared about picking up women. Most of them knew they were too fucked up/crippled/autistic/poor. The posters, I mean. It was a safety valve.

What roosh has done is a gross betrayal of the men that made that forum great. If his conversion and being born again was genuine, then great, but many think it's not.

Sure, it was full of the most throbbing fucking losers you could ever hope to meet, and conversely, the real players, did I say 'playahz'? kept their deals pretty close to their chest. Like any other forum. Some genuine friendships were born by some of the more high value men there that could travel to meet. Most of them have settled down now, or are contemplating a life without a wife/kids, regretting it, and maybe doing what they can to put that right while they can, and all without betraying your buddies and/or finding fucking god.

I won't be too hard on Roosh. He lost his head when his sister died. It happens. I've seen it happen first hand. The betrayal of his brothers though, he will never live down. But it was always going to happen. Being talked about in the houses of parliament. Banned on flights in to the UK. He got some serious pressure. Full on articles in the Guardian.

Roosh isn't really very charismatic. He's 6'4" - so quite tall and swarthy and he lifts a bit. But he's also autistic in that PDD/NOS kind of way. He always seemed a bit off to the girls, and certainly also to the 'boys'. Having said that, he did betray them in one of the worst ways possible.

He'll get by, he won't pay a price. It's not that kind of betrayal where the Hell's Angels curb stomp you. No one ever put that kind of store in Roosh. But it was a betrayal none the less.

He won't get beaten up. And now that he has submitted to the machine and been consumed by the machine, he is no longer a threat or on anyone's radar. He did ex fucking zactly what he should have done to acquiesce. Not that I am brow-beating him for giving in. I would have given in long before him, or at least not stirred the fucking hornet's nest so much with 'legal rape' satire, beforehand. Roosh isn't a rapist. He never was, he never will be. He was a bit edgy for a while and spoke a lot of edgy nonsense. He had a deep relationship with his sister. Men who have deep relationships with their sisters, tend not to become rapists of women.

It's what cut him up in the end. And why I think he should just be left alone to try to build whatever kind of cult it is he is trying to build.

But now he has made the forum only for those with belief. It's become more of a cult. Almost all the old guard have gone now. A few notables remain. A few anomalies. But I won't mention their names as I think they will fade in the next year or two. It will become the wrong kind of Christians next, in the form of 'Protestants'.

Roosh made a big thing about not 'becoming your own pope', and someone made the pithy remark: 'well, we can't become our own pope, but Roosh can become his own priest'.

Proselytizing to his minions.

He is taking some kind of religious authority over his flock and ministering in matters he is not qualified to do so.

It is one thing spreading the word of Christ. I respect that. I always have time for genuine believers. But Roosh, whilst he may think he is a genuine believer, does not have that greater authority.

I am not offended through Christ.

I'm just noting the many men betrayed by him. Most of whom have just moved on. They have wives and family and kids now. And the few that made genuine friendships there are too busy to be angry.

It's probably best it all died. It was a flawed concept to start with. But it helped many men get their feet on the ground and forge some real relationships with other men, at least for a while. Even if 90 percent of them there were fucking losers, just like Roosh turned out to be.

I wish Roosh well. He will need it. But his minions and followers now who do his bidding had better watch their back in this new world they jumped in to.

RVF was always a deep fucking place. Not many knew the culture at all. Even the people posting there with 9000 posts. And outsiders very rarely got a grip on it at all either, apart from MRA and PUA BAAAAADDDD!!!!!!

A most fascinating sub-culture.

I think Roosh will get away with his betrayal. It won't ever be accepted to be right. He has burned his bridges. But he will get over it. He won't need to look over his shoulder, because the men he betrayed have moved on anyway, and aren't the type of 'biker gang' killers you read about in fantasy fiction. It's sad.

His move closer to god will do more harm and turn more men away from Christ, than it entices in to the fold. But he is too fucking egotistical to realise that.


Hope you find your own way out!

Roosh wasn't the worst of them when it came down to it.

And even if he won't become the best of them, I think he did the best he could...

 

[shameful existence]

So Roosh hasn't been promoting his "bang" series on his website for a while, which is admirable. To keep his secularly conservative "Lady" on sale and in accordance with his 2021 values, he's adding a prologue to correct its non-orthodox content.

Quotes redacted for brevity. Finding A Husband With God’s Help, June 7 2021

When he quit the career he's known for, some speculated he was - besides the personal trauma he had experienced - partially motivated by money, after seeing people like Jordan Peterson making their somewhat conservative content very profitable. But he must be losing a lot of money by going this fringe. Which adds to my rekindled fascination.

 

[Kosher Dill]

When he quit the career he's known for, some speculated he was - besides the personal trauma he had experienced - partially motivated by money, after seeing people like Jordan Peterson making their somewhat conservative content very profitable. But he must be losing a lot of money by going this fringe. Which adds to my rekindled fascination.

I suspect part of it is that the grift simply had to change. I don't think he could have continued much longer as a public PUA troll without being branded "the godfather of incel terrorism". Wasn't he already getting banned from countries and put on no-fly lists toward the end?

 

[shameful existence]

I suspect part of it is that the grift simply had to change. I don't think he could have continued much longer as a public PUA troll without being branded "the godfather of incel terrorism". Wasn't he already getting banned from countries and put on no-fly lists toward the end?

Yeah, well, the thing is he's not doing anything specific now that he wasn't able to do before. And he hasn't made himself more PC by this - instead of Jews and women it's now Jews and Satan + extreme anti-vax. I'd say he's still one of the most banned people - except he's making less money now than he used to.

 

[Ima Spedonym2]

I suspect part of it is that the grift simply had to change.

These guys shift their grift to wherever the hottest front of the culture wars are at any given moment. Remember when Roosh was starting a video game site, unfortunately a little past Peak Gamergate? Or how Milo went from anti feminism to video games to generic alt-right politics to tradcath stuff? Or the way Vox Day bounced from PUA to Science Fiction/Sad Puppies to Gamergate to movies to comic books?

 

[shameful existence]

Someone here compared Roosh's conversion to the one of Milo. Yesterday they had a 2.5h stream together and it was genuinely entertaining - barely any people dropped and the chat got pretty wild. Basically, aside from liking each other they seem to have a disagreement on how much one should get involved in the world (the Christian monk vs Christian rottweiler dichotomy) and whether conversions to the Eastern orthodoxy are genuine. Roosh got extremely preachy and Milo had a bunch of ADD fits.

I clipped a few bits (the desync is on Milo's part), in a random order:

Spoiler: You converted to not get bullied

Spoiler: Man stays and fixes the house

Spoiler: Control freak

Spoiler: You're a monk - Stop insulting monks

Spoiler: You're afraid of laughter - Jesus never laughed

Spoiler: Not Jewish, just high IQ and a lying mother

Spoiler: I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do

Spoiler: Sci-fi cathedral - Stop insulting cathedral

Spoiler: You sound less gay

 

[shameful existence]

A boring stream today, a lot of pride related articles. The Q&As were a bit more interesting.

00:00 - yeah, I was preachy when talking to Milo
02:15 - the mannosphere can only ever be a stepping stone
04:00 - guns will not save you, God will
05:45 - not moving to southern Alabama, the rot will come everywhere