Richard Meyer v. Mark Waid (2018) -

Waid Livestream - What will happen?

  • Talks about the lawsuit.

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • Further incriminates himself.

    Votes: 18 48.6%
  • Defames YaBoi again.

    Votes: 5 13.5%
  • Doesn't talk about the lawsuit nor CG.

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • Host disagrees with Waid on something, chimpout insues.

    Votes: 7 18.9%
  • Normal interview. (no drama)

    Votes: 2 5.4%

  • Total voters
    37
  • Poll closed .

Mola Ram

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Punitive damages are pretty likely and are generally calculated based on your ability to pay them and so that they're actually punitive, i.e. they punish you. So a court looking at that kind of behavior is just going to say okay and triple the judgment.
In this case one might even prefer the term exemplary damages, because the jackbooted fuckers who are funding this monster surely need an example.
 

MirrorNoir

Un, deux, trois, dit miroir noir
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Punitive damages are pretty likely and are generally calculated based on your ability to pay them and so that they're actually punitive, i.e. they punish you. So a court looking at that kind of behavior is just going to say okay and triple the judgment.
Except you wait for the final number to be given and then basically go to your friends and have them basically give you the money under the table, or as Al Sharpton did in the Tawanna Brown rape hoax, literally had a friend write the check for the amount he ordered to pay, in court, the day he found out how much he was going to have to pay the cops he falsely accused of gang raping Tawanna Brown.

Sharpton didn't even go through the process of trying to appeal the punitive damage; just had a rich friend pay the amount for him so that Sharpton wouldn't be financially ruined by it.
 

RodgerDodger

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Listening to Nick going through the Waid depo transcripts, and he's reached the point was claiming victimhood. "Oh noes all da Death Threats!". At which point he's asked to produce them, and "oh noes I deleted them!" Wow. Did Waid just commit perjury? I mean it's easy enough to subpoena Waid's twitter and ask for deleted items. They know the dates. If no death threats are there?
 

Urbanmech

Got an AC 10 and not afraid to use it!
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To be fair, after the fail and AIDS that was "The Kingdom", DC and Alex Ross basically have stated up front that Waid was actually only on Kingdom Come to write dialogue based off of Ross' detailed script outline that Ross and Ross alone had written, along with a couple of super minor things (Waid threw a huge temper tantrum to force Ross to include Martian Manhunter into the plot, as Ross hates Martian Manhunter due to him being excluded from the Super Friends franchise and as such, "not a real JLA member" in Ross's eyes) and coming up with the compromise of using Alan Scott after Ross nearly ragequit the project when DC told him he either had to use Kyle Raynor or not be allowed to use ANY Green Lanterns in Kingdom Come.

Hell, they even had to pre-emptively shit Waid up, when Ross teamed up with Johns do to his own personal sequel to Kingdom Come in JSA; basically when the arc started, DC outright did a press release all but saying Kingdom Come was 100% Ross's baby and as such, he had every write to do his OWN sequel, as opposed to letting the much reviled "The Kingdom" by Waid stand as the only official sequel to the story.



Someone mentioned this earlier IIRC.

Waid's first attempt to kill the suit was to try and say Richard can't sue in Texas via jurisdictional issues (most likely because Waid realized he would be fucked in the Texas court system). But to do so, he had to delay filing his anti-SLAPP suit since you can't countersue until you found out where the case jurisdiction is.

But in filing for a change of venue, Waid was forced to submit to discovery as far as proving why the jurisdiction needs to change. Which gave Meyers and his lawyers the means to get a TON of material from Waid that basically makes it next to impossible for him to file an Anti-SLAPP lawsuit.



He was able to raise a lot of money, his BFF Grant Morrison added to that by giving him a do-nothing office job at the company that publishes Heavy Metal (which Grant now runs as EiC) to give him an extra stream of income (to live off of or to go directly to his defense fund), and a lot of pros were bragging about how they would gladly give him money under the table (there was talk, possibly Tom Taylor, bragging about getting a lot of the Marvel writers all to volunteer to donate the money they make from their books for a single month, to Waid and his defense fund on top of what they were donating via Go Fund Me).

He most likely think he can probably outspend Richard or win by legal trickery to keep it from ever seeing the light of day in court. Fuck, even if Waid DOES lose, he probably would just have Neil Gaiman (who has been white knighting Waid hard on Twitter and shilling lie-filled articles denouncing Comicsgate and claiming that anyone calling his "sources" fake news are liars and blocking them, cut a check to pay Richard Meyers off on Waid's behalf. Or just crowdsource the settlement, as far as pulling an Al Sharpton Rape Hoax move to ensure that someone else literally takes the financial hit so Waid doesn't have to face any financial consequences.
Yea I am curious if his lawyers knew about the DM's and just putting all their eggs into this jurisdiction motion or if they had no idea and Waid made a big oopsie for his lawyers.
 

RodgerDodger

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To be fair, after the fail and AIDS that was "The Kingdom", DC and Alex Ross basically have stated up front that Waid was actually only on Kingdom Come to write dialogue based off of Ross' detailed script outline that Ross and Ross alone had written,
Someone mentioned this earlier IIRC.

Waid's first attempt to kill the suit was to try and say Richard can't sue in Texas via jurisdictional issues (most likely because Waid realized he would be fucked in the Texas court system). But to do so, he had to delay filing his anti-SLAPP suit since you can't countersue until you found out where the case jurisdiction is.

But in filing for a change of venue, Waid was forced to submit to discovery as far as proving why the jurisdiction needs to change. Which gave Meyers and his lawyers the means to get a TON of material from Waid that basically makes it next to impossible for him to file an Anti-SLAPP lawsuit.
The added kicker is even the Jurisdictional challenge would not have put him into early discovery, BUT Waid perjured himself in his initial filing. He claimed he did no business in Texas and had no ties to Texas. This was immediately challenged as Waid has extensive business ties to Texas, does business routinely in Texas and performed the primary public defamation of Meyer while in Texas. So the Plaintiff asked for discovery to find out what Waid's ties and actions in fact were.
 

Jub-Jub

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Listening to Nick going through the Waid depo transcripts, and he's reached the point was claiming victimhood. "Oh noes all da Death Threats!". At which point he's asked to produce them, and "oh noes I deleted them!" Wow. Did Waid just commit perjury? I mean it's easy enough to subpoena Waid's twitter and ask for deleted items. They know the dates. If no death threats are there?
He also says a specific time, within 5-6 hours of the AP announcement of dropping the book. Might he have limited his options? Lets say he gets an actual threat 24h after the announcement, won't that weigh against his victim narrative?
 

RodgerDodger

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He knows a lot of high profile people in the industry. Gaiman, Morrison, numerous Marvel people. He has the right connections.
It's more he is the last of the old guard, and as such likely works cheap and doesn't have the temperament to really do well with his creator owned stuff. I don't really understand how and why DC or Marvel put up with his insanity for decades? Beyond he works cheap fast and with a high level of output, in spite of the rampant lunacy.
 

Krokodil Overdose

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It's more he is the last of the old guard, and as such likely works cheap and doesn't have the temperament to really do well with his creator owned stuff. I don't really understand how and why DC or Marvel put up with his insanity for decades? Beyond he works cheap fast and with a high level of output, in spite of the rampant lunacy.
See also: Chuck Wendig. They're like pulp authors from ye oldene dayes, except those guys could sell books.
 

AnOminous

do you see what happens
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See also: Chuck Wendig. They're like pulp authors from ye oldene dayes, except those guys could sell books.
Even L. Ron Hubbard could write in complete sentences when he wrote pulp trash.

Also re people whining that Meyer said Mark Waid looks like a pedophile: he does.

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Put it in a rogue's gallery with a bunch of other sex offenders and he looks perfectly at home.
 
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TheSoutherStar

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It's more he is the last of the old guard, and as such likely works cheap and doesn't have the temperament to really do well with his creator owned stuff. I don't really understand how and why DC or Marvel put up with his insanity for decades? Beyond he works cheap fast and with a high level of output, in spite of the rampant lunacy.
He tends to create the most palatable junk and was always a consistently "safe"/"vanilla" writer.

You'd notice that by the time he started virtue signaling in his work, his writing also suffered; because he was never a high-level storyteller in the first place and was exposed.
 

AnOminous

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He tends to create the most palatable junk and was always a consistently "safe"/"vanilla" writer.

You'd notice that by the time he started virtue signaling in his work, his writing also suffered; because he was never a high-level storyteller in the first place and was exposed.
He always acted like a screaming, crying baby, though. The firsthand tale of Gary Groth about him screaming and crying and smashing a phone on the floor every morning to the point people just ignored his tantrums like they weren't happening would have dated to the mid to late '80s I think.
 

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