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- The right has been conditioned to worship large corporations.
- The right has been conditioned to embrace autistic hyperindividualism. So nobody will actually group together to do anything, ensuring nothing will actually get done.
- Many people on the right are fags who pretend to be above it all, as witnessed in this thread. Nigga, you ain’t above shit. It’s a self delusion.
- The right has been discouraged to do anything and to put their hopes in a deus ex machina, just like the movies! Yet they will make fun of leftists who want life to resemble Harry Potter.
- The right rank and file often imagines themselves on the same playing field as Fortune 500 executives who hate them and would rather get the business of a chink who just cooked his last meal in gutter oil than you.

The right wing stays losing because they delude themselves in many ways, despite laughing at delusional leftists who “somehow” get 99% of what they want. The right will keep losing until they begin to be honest about themselves and where they are actually at in society’s totem pole.
I'm not going to say that you're wrong, but it isn't as if there are not a growing number of people on the right who realize that they've been had. It used to be that those on the Left saw the corporations and capitalism in general as being what it was, and as such was a viable threat to their interests; now, most variations of the Left are essentially pro-capitalist, or at least are completely tolerant of capitalism. At the rate things are going, a fair amount of those who constitute the Right might end up being more genuinely anti-capitalist than the Left, but perhaps things will simply fall apart before we ever get to that point.
 

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I'm not going to say that you're wrong, but it isn't as if there are not a growing number of people on the right who realize that they've been had. It used to be that those on the Left saw the corporations and capitalism in general as being what it was, and as such was a viable threat to their interests; now, most variations of the Left are essentially pro-capitalist, or at least are completely tolerant of capitalism. At the rate things are going, a fair amount of those who constitute the Right might end up being more genuinely anti-capitalist than the Left, but perhaps things will simply fall apart before we ever get to that point.

Nah, I'd say the Woke Left is still firmly anti-capitalist and support anarcho-communism, at least in rhetoric if not in practice.

Zoomers hate the neoliberal corporate Gen X establishment even more than right-wingers do, although they hate it for not being left-wing and socialistic enough.

The difference is that the Woke Left largely doesn't realize they're being played by the same capitalist tech bros they constantly try to denounce on social media. They're delusional useful idiots.
 

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I see right and left wing apathy.
The left is apethetic (or willfully ignorant.. not sue which) when it comes to their brand of hypcoriscy. (which is vast)

The right, as the OP pointed out is a bit more specific.

But I also see both sides aruging the proverbial metaphor rather than looking at any issue at it's core. Both sides have been knee jerk reacting to each others ideloigies (the left has far more insane/pointless polices..but the right has it's share too) For example; skyrocketing housing prices /homelessness can be moslty fixed with removing the American Disablites act believe it or not. Both parties pushed this through because it allegedly helped disabled people, when in fact, it helped property developers get buildings torn down to replace them with expensive new ones. It also forced homes/buildings to either upgrade (no grandfather clausing) if they wished to continue to rent out affordable rooms. Many older residency hotels had to be just torn down because the upgrades would be either too expensive.. and/or diminish the structural integrity.

The endless parade of taxes the left loves to impose only serves to diminish the economy, BUT they get to feel better by helping their cities goverments feed and shelter the homeless.. of which they just help make more of. The right tries to reduce or remove the new taxes..which wont help direclty either...but that's all both sides see.. the surface.

It's examples like that which keeps the wheels of apathy and ignorance go on while Rome burns
 

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Nah, I'd say the Woke Left is still firmly anti-capitalist and support anarcho-communism, at least in rhetoric if not in practice.

Zoomers hate the neoliberal corporate Gen X establishment even more than right-wingers do, although they hate it for not being left-wing and socialistic enough.

The difference is that the Woke Left largely doesn't realize they're being played by the same capitalist tech bros they constantly try to denounce on social media. They're delusional useful idiots.
I should have added "de facto" to the pro-capitalist thing because as you said, they by and large are not aware that they are. They may appreciate the theories, but even those have become corrupted since any discussion on the true issues that Leftism was founded upon (the issues that arise from class hierarchy and inequality) is pretty much cancelled out by the race bullshit that now takes precedence within those circles; when you actually try to talk about income inequality and the upper classes you get deemed as being a "class reductionist" and are forced to buy into the anti-white crap that has completely subverted them or otherwise get cancelled. In a way, Leftists are even more cucked and demoralized than those who adhere to other political beliefs in that they are pretty much the foot soldiers of the neoliberal elite these days, and most have forgotten what they had originally stood for; at least most variants of conservatives still remember what they believed in, and continue to do so. The fact that Zoomers hate the corporations simply because they are not pandering to them hard enough is proof enough of that; if they truly remembered what Leftism actually is, they would be challenging the very existence of corporations, and vehemently at that. Instead, all they do is whine, bitch and sulk, like a bunch of retarded spoiled brats.
 

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"You should know by basic observation that left-wing boycotts tend to be far more effective than right-wing ones. But why is that exactly?"

Because boycotts in general are ineffective. A company can easily weather a 1-2% drop in quarterly profits until the outrage mob moves on to the next flavor of the month.

What IS effective is top-down pressure. Parent companies or shareholders or even supply chain contacts that threaten to revoke their contract can completely destroy a business. It's not the blue haired internet losers that are threatening businesses, it is people in suits who want to virtue signal by throwing their weight around in the business world to appear as some sort of savior whenever a controversy arises.
 

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@Penis Drager I would put the issues with the right like this. You have a large grift right that is unwilling to grow a spine for it's base. Meanwhile the grifting left is always going to be pushing forward and forward. It's not enough to say okay Jessica and is obviously not a jack is content for most people. The problem is the left won't settle. It's not enough you have trans rights you need to be forced to talk about your pronouns.

The right wing grifter's will start off saying we're against crt, then start saying hold on crt isn't anti white it's just anti history, now wait the left is right about our white privilege. Before saying we're for having crt in our schools.

This is why people are angrily becoming reactionary because they're seeing their culture not merely the ugly or profane but the beautiful and nice be destroyed in the name of tolerance and progress. Your once German American community now overrun with Haitians. Your native American town now dumped with a bunch of venezuelans bussed in.

The apathy towards society led the society that has 2 choice's. Stalinist tyranny or brutal and violent civil war.
 
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It has to do with a lot of issues within the right that I'll try to break down.

1. They lack the qualities (unity) of the left and often time believe people are blank slates or that objective morality exists instead of programmed morality. In other words they believe if something is wrong (What I would argue objectively) they assume everyone who is sane will line up and agree or take a stand... They fail to realize most are cowards even amongst their own ranks.

2. They have failed to realize that you CAN be an individual and part of a group. One is not mutually exclusive or vice versa. When fighting for a goal or against an enemy one must act as a group.

3. They side with groups that aren't actually on their side. How often do we hear "Minorities are standing with us..." 83% of them aren't... They take one exception of a group claim it's going to work out and basically apply what I pointed out in number 1. "Man I would hate to be given free shit and treated like the democrat's bitch" -Republicans. The problem is it's projection because most minorities don't give a shit. If you became president and offered them a free soda a day just to continue voting for yourself they would. Freebies sell why the Black Caucus turned on the Republicans and voted for Biden. It's not servitude, it's not brainwashing, it's the right trying to make enemies of their enemies their friend. Same with the "catholic Hispanics" and "Anti-authoritarian Hatians." lol. They never learn.

4. The people that would side with them they push away that will fight or stand by their side. The one's trying to give them a rallying cry are called extremist or glowies and frowned at because they don't want to be destroyed or have everything fall into shit.

5. They've become lazy because their leaders tell them to be, and fall back to 1 and 2. The ones that aren't and have a spine or are willing to do something are the minority and have no safety net or are shamed by their own group and get beat worse than a dead horse by their own side.

And my personal favorite :

6. The left plays to win. Not for morality, not for honor, not for your compliments, not for your validation or love. They aren't afraid to be extremist, and they aren't afraid to abuse power.

Some of these by themselves wouldn't be so bad but a combination is what has destroyed the right wing or made many would-be allies not able to side with them. Some members are great, but the problem is when you are the minority of that group it's a shit show.
 

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It has to do with a lot of issues within the right that I'll try to break down.

1. They lack the qualities (unity) of the left and often time believe people are blank slates or that objective morality exists instead of programmed morality. In other words they believe if something is wrong (What I would argue objectively) they assume everyone who is sane will line up and agree or take a stand... They fail to realize most are cowards even amongst their own ranks.

2. They have failed to realize that you CAN be an individual and part of a group. One is not mutually exclusive or vice versa. When fighting for a goal or against an enemy one must act as a group.

3. They side with groups that aren't actually on their side. How often do we hear "Minorities are standing with us..." 83% of them aren't... They take one exception of a group claim it's going to work out and basically apply what I pointed out in number 1. "Man I would hate to be given free shit and treated like the democrat's bitch" -Republicans. The problem is it's projection because most minorities don't give a shit. If you became president and offered them a free soda a day just to continue voting for yourself they would. Freebies sell why the Black Caucus turned on the Republicans and voted for Biden. It's not servitude, it's not brainwashing, it's the right trying to make enemies of their enemies their friend. Same with the "catholic Hispanics" and "Anti-authoritarian Hatians." lol. They never learn.

4. The people that would side with them they push away that will fight or stand by their side. The one's trying to give them a rallying cry are called extremist or glowies and frowned at because they don't want to be destroyed or have everything fall into shit.

5. They've become lazy because their leaders tell them to be, and fall back to 1 and 2. The ones that aren't and have a spine or are willing to do something are the minority and have no safety net or are shamed by their own group and get beat worse than a dead horse by their own side.

And my personal favorite :

6. The left plays to win. Not for morality, not for honor, not for your compliments, not for your validation or love. They aren't afraid to be extremist, and they aren't afraid to abuse power.

Some of these by themselves wouldn't be so bad but a combination is what has destroyed the right wing or made many would-be allies not able to side with them. Some members are great, but the problem is when you are the minority of that group it's a shit show.
The worst thing about this is it's going to lead to a violent revolution. I mean the shit the left is doing unchecked is well Soviet levels of incompetence. The United States could have something akin to a USSR style collapse because of this.
 

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The worst thing about this is it's going to lead to a violent revolution. I mean the shit the left is doing unchecked is well Soviet levels of incompetence. The United States could have something akin to a USSR style collapse because of this.
I hate to be that guy, but they were warned by many like myself 10 years ago about how it would lead to violence, and even to this day as they see their children brainwashed and molested they merely want to vote the teachers who do these things out and vote the democrats out of power allowing them to just kick the can down the road. I prefer to stop kicking that can myself.

I wouldn't be surprised if throughout history this is how people ALWAYS let things get soo bad that there's a severe violent counter reaction because people let it get that far when it could have been stopped years to decades in advance. Would explain why philosophers hated society, why founding fathers did too (I mean only 8% of US population stood with them against the British the other 92% wanted to submit to them)... It astounds me how we've forgotten history and human nature so simply.
 

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Most of the people I talk to outside of this site about politics, when I bother to, have basically accepted the old "focus on what you can change, your family and what's going on in your life, and prepare for the future" mantra. I have as well.

Even that will no longer be an option as the family unit is corrupted systematically and how less and less couples can afford to start families.
 

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Cowardice & laziness are factors I've not yet seen addressed much. The left will chimp out year-round over any excuse they can get and not worry about consequences, but conservatives won't even do legal protests.

I've seen some coverage of parents and concerned citizens standing up to the sickness in some schools recently, but it's too little, too late.

Why isn't the military rejecting Milley's racist propaganda? Why isn't there a protest near the White House every day this illegitimate puppet is in office? Why aren't these woke companies losing customers? Why aren't we securing the border ourselves against the waves of intruders illegally entering? Why aren't abortion clinics swamped with "pregnant" men every day to shit up the system? Why don't we use alternatives to big tech (this one's a bit more understandable, alternatives are not allowed to succeed)?

We're just fine with complaining online. There's nothing we're conserving as conservatives. All social and institutional matters are entirely free of our consistent and meaningful levels of input.

I think we need better leaders, but they don't grow on trees.
 

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Cowardice & laziness are factors I've not yet seen addressed much. The left will chimp out year-round over any excuse they can get and not worry about consequences, but conservatives won't even do legal protests.

I've seen some coverage of parents and concerned citizens standing up to the sickness in some schools recently, but it's too little, too late.

Why isn't the military rejecting Milley's racist propaganda? Why isn't there a protest near the White House every day this illegitimate puppet is in office? Why aren't these woke companies losing customers? Why aren't we securing the border ourselves against the waves of intruders illegally entering? Why aren't abortion clinics swamped with "pregnant" men every day to shit up the system? Why don't we use alternatives to big tech (this one's a bit more understandable, alternatives are not allowed to succeed)?

We're just fine with complaining online. There's nothing we're conserving as conservatives. All social and institutional matters are entirely free of our consistent and meaningful levels of input.

I think we need better leaders, but they don't grow on trees.
I think the problem is people are waiting for better leaders when really the right just needs better unity. If you have that many of those who aren't even on the right will help you remove your leftist issue, but we need a safety net otherwise the right will just have some people correct this issue and then the right will turn the "heroes" over to the authorities and throw them under the bus. It's why many won't or do not act.

Who wants to save the west only to be crucified by their ex-allies on the stake?