Rock Against Communism (RAC) / Rechtsrock - The Good, The Bad and The Scuzzy

[Doctor Placebo]

Rabauken are another great German band I'd toss somewhere in that list. Of course they're one of those "we're nationalists not nazis but if you wanna straight arm salute at our shows, we'll look the other way" gray area type bands.

There are far more of those than a lot of people think, and some of them do use the RAC label. In fact, it's less associated with white power on the scene now than it was in its heyday. Of course tankies, anarchists, etc. can go to any show they want and their money is considered good, so why should any right wing band financially handicap themselves by policing their scene for Neo-Nazis when the left is just going to call them Nazis and blacklist them anyway? A lot of them freely admit they draw inspiration from old RAC bands and network with the old blood RAC groups, despite not being racialist or pro-Nazi themselves.

 

[Orange Rhymer]

There are far more of those than a lot of people think, and some of them do use the RAC label. In fact, it's less associated with white power on the scene now than it was in its heyday. Of course tankies, anarchists, etc. can go to any show they want and their money is considered good, so why should any right wing band financially handicap themselves by policing their scene for Neo-Nazis when the left is just going to call them Nazis and blacklist them anyway? A lot of them freely admit they draw inspiration from old RAC bands and network with the old blood RAC groups, despite not being racialist or pro-Nazi themselves.

b-b-b-but "The Green Room" implied that there is a thriving, lucrative, underground neo-nazi punk scene.

Maybe I'll meet Patrick Stewart!

 

[Doctor Placebo]

b-b-b-but "The Green Room" implied that there is a thriving, lucrative, underground neo-nazi punk scene.

Maybe I'll meet Patrick Stewart!

It's always a laugh when people on the left talk about the dissident right making a lot of money. Like when the SPLC talked about far right DLive shows making big bucks and their chart of the top earners and the amounts they made ranged from lower middle class income at the very top to beer and pretzel money at the bottom. The SPLC gets more from a single rich donor in a single afternoon. The money is all in the opposite direction.

I haven't seen The Green Room, but I hear Patrick Stewart gives a good performance. He's usually reliable. I doubt its depiction is remotely accurate or nuanced though.

 

[Poppavalyim Andropoff]

just checking this thread for mention of White Noise somewhere

 

[All Cops Are Based]

Of course tankies, anarchists, etc. can go to any show they want and their money is considered good, so why should any right wing band financially handicap themselves by policing their scene for Neo-Nazis when the left is just going to call them Nazis and blacklist them anyway?

Fear of being pegged as a nazi band is enough incentive for a lot of people. Ultima Thule (who are just Swedish nationalists) would stop playing and scold the audience like a bunch of fags whenever anybody saluted.
But you're right, it hardly matters--European nationalism is all "far-right" and "white-supremacist" as far as the media is concerned.

By the way, if anybody's record hunting, a discogs/ebay knockoff site called MusicStack has a bunch of RAC. A handful of users regularly list stuff.
Everything from this genre is getting pretty hard to find, and a lot of people are averse to buying from watchlist-tier distros/labels, so, just a recommendation.

 

[Orange Rhymer]

Fear of being pegged as a nazi band is enough incentive for a lot of people. Ultima Thule (who are just Swedish nationalists) would stop playing and scold the audience like a bunch of fags whenever anybody saluted.
But you're right, it hardly matters--European nationalism is all "far-right" and "white-supremacist" as far as the media is concerned.

By the way, if anybody's record hunting, a discogs/ebay knockoff site called MusicStack has a bunch of RAC. A handful of users regularly list stuff.
Everything from this genre is getting pretty hard to find, and a lot of people are averse to buying from watchlist-tier distros/labels, so, just a recommendation.

Mass Media and their 'Narrative' frames anyone as a Nazi that hated the new Star Wars.
They hate you anyway, there is no path to popular redemption....

May as well play/listen/mosh the way you want to...

 

[Doctor Placebo]

Fear of being pegged as a nazi band is enough incentive for a lot of people. Ultima Thule (who are just Swedish nationalists) would stop playing and scold the audience like a bunch of fags whenever anybody saluted.
But you're right, it hardly matters--European nationalism is all "far-right" and "white-supremacist" as far as the media is concerned.

By the way, if anybody's record hunting, a discogs/ebay knockoff site called MusicStack has a bunch of RAC. A handful of users regularly list stuff.
Everything from this genre is getting pretty hard to find, and a lot of people are averse to buying from watchlist-tier distros/labels, so, just a recommendation.

To be fair to Ultima Thule, they've been dealing with that shit for over 30 years, and living in Sweden, the crown jewel of European cuckoldry, they can get fucked over with all sorts of legal consequences as well as social ones. Hate speech laws are really bad there. It's funny in a twisted way too, because their music is so completely innocuous. In America you wouldn't even peg their stuff as right wing.

Of course we're going to be ridin with Biden in the same direction.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

I've been curious for a while where Youth Defense League actually stood ideologically. They're certainly lumped in with RAC bands and are frequently accused of being a "Nazi" band. There are photos of them playing in front of the Afrikaner Resistance Movement flag, and they quoted Francis Parker Yockey on one of their album covers. But they also frequently collaborated with Warzone, which was an anti-Nazi band.

They also got in the news briefly a few years back, when former band member Nick got fired from his job as a food critic for being in the band. Yes, they fired him over 30 years afterwards for being in a "racist" band. Gavin McInnes came to the band's defense, saying they weren't considered Nazi back then, but considering his own reputation, that didn't do a whole lot of good.

Since finding any sort of objective info on "Nazis" in mainstream press is just about impossible nowadays, I went digging through the comments sections on their videos and found some interesting comments by people who were part of the scene back then.



So even back then, it seems like the lines between sides and the RAC=white nationalist/national socialist designation weren't nearly as clear cut as people tend to act like they were.

Their song, New Glory is still a very popular one to cover by a lot of Oi! bands.

A couple of their other songs:

 

[RichardMongler]

Ireland​

Given RAC's longstanding ties to the Ulster loyalists and pronounced contempt of the IRA, it comes as no surprise the White Nationalist skinhead movement would find little appeal on the Emerald Isle. As always, there is at least one band that proves to be quite the exception to the rule. Enter Dublin's Celtic Dawn, the world's only Irish RAC band.

The band formed out of the ashes of Irish Oi! band Skin Appeal that made some waves opening up for Oi! legends The Business. Once the lead singer left, Skin Appeal reformed as Celtic Dawn and started playing exclusively Nationalist music.

Releasing a demo in 1989, Celtic Dawn made quite the impression with several fanzines more than curious about Irish Nazis in a defiantly anti-IRA scene during the Troubles. According an interview conducted by Final Conflict, Celtic Dawn was supposed to have released an album in the early 1990s on Rebelles Européens but the deal fell through for reasons unstated. This disruption caused the band to split up before reuniting after having been contacted by sympathetic comrades who offered them a contract to record a new album. With a new line-up, Celtic Dawn recorded and released Faith and Fatherland on Viking Sounds in 1996.

I initially had written these blokes off on account of those dreadful Folk songs, but revisiting the album paid off. The album's music is pure skinhead Oi! virtually free of any Hard Rock influences with the sole exception of "The Eagle Has Landed". Raw, gritty, jangly riffs punctuated by a shouty vocalist spouting triumphantly racist rhetoric fill each track. "Dirty Bastard" is a contemptuous track aimed at the Blacks while "Hail Victory" beseeches listeners to "Fight for White Supremacy". Subtle and accepting, these guys were not. The music's propulsive energy and aggression offset by the otherwise repetitive nature.

Highlights: "Dirty Bastard", "Repatriation", "Europe's Honour", "Hail Victory" and "This World Is Ours"

Full demo courtesy of archive.org.

CELTIC DAWN ...White Power

CELTIC DAWN ...White Power (Ireland …. RAC)

www.bitchute.com

 

[Fentanyl Floyd]

First M8l8th song I ever listened to, it's pretty different from all there other stuff, which is closer to regular NSBM, but this song is very techno, regardless good lifting music

 

[All Cops Are Based]

M8l8th were always kinda weird. They had almost metalcore-ish breakdowns in their first album.
Awful vegan/str8 edge metalcore/beatdown is huge among Russian skinheads and rightie hooligans, so it makes sense, but that stuff is completely haram in the broader black metal scene so the band is the butt of a lot of jokes. (never within the stabbing distance of Alexi though, mind you).

 

[Ricardo_Retardo]

M8l8th were always gay poopeaters. Some good NSBM came out of Blazebirth hall like Nitberg

 

[Fentanyl Floyd]

>str8 edge
It's a good lifestyle if you're trying to be serious about politics, but it's a detriment to the music

 

[Titos]

Would most of MK Ultra Support Group fit in this category?

 

[Fentanyl Floyd]

More lifting music
SPQR - Baltikum (Italy)

Samchung - Strength and Honor (Korea)

Absurd - Ashes to Ashes (Germany)

Would most of MK Ultra Support Group fit in this category?

Stumbled across them a little bit ago, they seem more like edgelords than anything.

 

[ClownBrew]

Type O Negative flirted with those themes at times but then when questioned they would quickly backpedal and claim the "joke's on you bro, we only meant it sarcastically!" move. That and/or they'd hide behind having a joo keyboard player.

 

[All Cops Are Based]

Behind all the layers of irony you could tell he believed or half-believed some of the stuff he wrote, if you read between the lines. At the very least it was something more clever and subversive than just being garden variety "pointed anti-right/anti-macho satire". Especially Carnivore, who random RAC bands frequently covered. (Not that that proves anything, since RAC guys also had a tradition of covering that "Pulling on the Boots" song from that stupid anti-bonehead movie Romper Stomper, but hey.)

He was born too early for all the TRP/manosphere stuff, but then again he looked like every incel's chad nightmare and he probably wouldn't fit in these days either

 

[Ricardo_Retardo]

Behind all the layers of irony you could tell he believed or half-believed some of the stuff he wrote, if you read between the lines. At the very least it was something more clever and subversive than just being garden variety "pointed anti-right/anti-macho satire". Especially Carnivore, who random RAC bands frequently covered. (Not that that proves anything, since RAC guys also had a tradition of covering that "Pulling on the Boots" song from that stupid anti-bonehead movie Romper Stomper, but hey.)

He was born too early for all the TRP/manosphere stuff, but then again he looked like every incel's chad nightmare and he probably wouldn't fit in these days either

Pete was definitely more right wing than people around him. You already mentioned Carnivore but you can see it a lot more there than in Type O, probably because a song like USA for USA wouldn't have fit on a Type O record especially later on.

 

[ClownBrew]

He was a lot harder during the Carnivore years to be sure. Probably stems from his having spent those years in Brooklyn having to wrangle ghetto rats all day long, just going down the street to his day job as a garbageman for the Parks & Rec system.

That'll redpill a man for life.

 

[Poppavalyim Andropoff]

I've been curious for a while where Youth Defense League actually stood ideologically. They're certainly lumped in with RAC bands and are frequently accused of being a "Nazi" band. There are photos of them playing in front of the Afrikaner Resistance Movement flag, and they quoted Francis Parker Yockey on one of their album covers. But they also frequently collaborated with Warzone, which was an anti-Nazi band.

YDL were a sub par American oi skinhead band. Very high on the fucking shit scale but not RAC or racist. They wouldn’t have been on Revelation Records comps or played CB’s or put on bills with Harley, Gavin, Roger, Ray if they were. If they were 5 years earlier playing A7 with the likes of Antidote & DBD no one would have give it a 2nd thought.
Buuuuut 1988 gave us the embryo of positive PC which would birth the modern day SJW.
Warzone got more static for the Iron Cross logo. AF were of course nazis too because of the boots logo. At this time if you had a shaved head you were considered a psycho by the general public. Lot of us grew our hair out even. This was before the era of the “bald athlete” look.

I remember that when he got fired. Hadn’t thought about them for years. Gave it a listen ... still sucked

They certainly didn’t do themselves any favours having a song “skinheads ‘88” though