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MrTickles

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A massive pipeline linking one of the most remote parts of Russia with a far-flung region of China has begun delivering gas.

The so-called "Power of Siberia" pipeline was officially launched by Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping via a joint video conference on Monday, as the COP25 climate summit kicked off in the Spanish capital, Madrid.

The two leaders hailed the project as a sign of deepening cooperation between the two countries.

"Other than for heating, natural gas can be used to generate power," Fuqiang Yang, an energy analyst, said. "It's much better than oil and coal. It has much less pollution and fewer emission of CO2".

Al Jazeera's Andrew Thomas, reporting from Heihe in northern China, said that besides economics the project is also about politics.

"Russia was keen [to set up the pipeline] because it is facing resistance to its plans to export more gas to Europe," he said. "Some European countries and the United States have tried to block development of a new pipeline to Germany. They think it will leave Europe too dependent on Russian gas, so Russia wants to shore up its strategic ally to the East."

For China, the deal also means less reliance on Liquified Natural Gas shipments from the US and Middle Eastern countries potentially influenced by US policy.

Many of those living along China's border with Siberia still use coal for cooking and heating their homes.

"Burning coal is obviously very dirty," Li Gyo Jun, a resident, told Al Jazeera. "It's polluting and also a lot of physical work".

With little industry and few jobs in the area, residents have been hopeful about another large infrastructure project, due to open next year.

The bridge over the Amur River will connect Blagoveshchensk in Russia and Heihe. It is the first road bridge between the two countries and will also include a railway.
 
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Russia better hope that natural gas will keep China from eyeing Siberia like it keeps Europe from screeching too loud about the Russkies. But China's smart about their energy policy because they'll just use whatever works and anyone who complains muh lungs goes to jail unlike the tards in Germany who Russia can just cut off exports to and the Germans will freeze like they did at Stalingrad back in '42.
 

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unlike the tards in Germany who Russia can just cut off exports to and the Germans will freeze like they did at Stalingrad back in '42.
Its pretty hard to freeze in a german home and most cooking is electric, it would suck for some people, but it would hurt the russians more.
they need to sell the gas or they cant pay for their social systems.
 

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Hmm, I think the strategic implications of this are flying right over your heads chaps.

It's a huge, clean liquidity boost for a country like Russia; over ten billion usd equivalent (they're trading in rubles and yuan) in the piggy bank every single year for at least 30 years. Imagine what Russia can do with that, considering what it did in Syria for just $2 billion per year (by sacrificing its annual military training budget which Syria fulfills anyway by being a testing ground for the military-note Russia also had to pause/freeze the Ukraine situation before it entered Syria).

It could fund 5-6x more Syria's simultaneously or massively expand its operations in the arctic i.e build entire resource extracting cities on its arctic coastline. It could fuck Ukraine out of existence. This would be a return to a more compact, intelligent global great power status on the back of this one pipeline alone. Russia's technology paving the way for increased sphere of influence in the areas most important to Russia (Eastern Europe, Arctic) with China's money. Shit is cash son.
 
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Hmm, I think the strategic implications of this are flying right over your heads chaps.

It's a huge, clean liquidity boost for a country like Russia; over ten billion usd equivalent (they're trading in rubles and yuan) in the piggy bank every single year for at least 30 years. Imagine what Russia can do with that, considering what it did in Syria for just $2 billion per year (by sacrificing its annual military training budget which Syria fulfills anyway by being a testing ground for the military).

It could fund 5-6x more Syria's simultaneously or massively expand its operations in the arctic i.e build entire resource extracting cities on its arctic coastline. It could fuck Ukraine out of existence. This would be a return to a more compact, intelligent global great power status on the back of this one pipeline alone. Russia's technology paving the way for increased sphere of influence in the areas most important to Russia (Eastern Europe, Arctic) with China's money. Shit is cash son.
So Putin is cunning and smart, as we suspected.
 

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Hmm, I think the strategic implications of this are flying right over your heads chaps.

It's a huge, clean liquidity boost for a country like Russia; over ten billion usd equivalent (they're trading in rubles and yuan) in the piggy bank every single year for at least 30 years. Imagine what Russia can do with that, considering what it did in Syria for just $2 billion per year (by sacrificing its annual military training budget which Syria fulfills anyway by being a testing ground for the military).

It could fund 5-6x more Syria's simultaneously or massively expand its operations in the arctic i.e build entire resource extracting cities on its arctic coastline. It could fuck Ukraine out of existence. This would be a return to a more compact, intelligent global great power status on the back of this one pipeline alone. Russia's technology paving the way for increased sphere of influence in the areas most important to Russia (Eastern Europe, Arctic) with China's money. Shit is cash son.
Russia is making moves that benefit them, rather than globohomo neoliberalism. Little wonder why the elite has been trying to cripple them.
 

Friendly_AI

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Being dependent on natural resources is not a good thing for a country. That aside, Russia doesn't have full gas coverage even in the places where they mine gas for selling it to others. So, it's only for the benefit of the ruling elite.
If anything goes sour, China might expect resurrection of an old meme, "civil" Russian "tractors" at the border. Or vice versa, some Siberian territories might be appropriated... Sad.
Siberia should be freeeeeee.
 
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Manwithn0n0men

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Its pretty hard to freeze in a german home and most cooking is electric, it would suck for some people, but it would hurt the russians more.
they need to sell the gas or they cant pay for their social systems.
They need china more in this deal then China needs them

Germany is a bit more nuanced
 

vanilla_pepsi_head

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Well it's about fuckin' time, it's a great idea. Should I ask about the poor bastards who actually had to build the thing, or is that Not Talked About?
 

MrTickles

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Well it's about fuckin' time, it's a great idea. Should I ask about the poor bastards who actually had to build the thing, or is that Not Talked About?
If you wish to know of any casualties, there were no noteworthy accidents. It's a fucking pipeline not a mineshaft.

Russia better hope that natural gas will keep China from eyeing Siberia like it keeps Europe from screeching too loud about the Russkies. But China's smart about their energy policy because they'll just use whatever works and anyone who complains muh lungs goes to jail unlike the tards in Germany who Russia can just cut off exports to and the Germans will freeze like they did at Stalingrad back in '42.
This is redundant. Russia is insulated from territorial loss by its vast nuclear arsenal. Plus by the fact that Russia and China have politically normalized all borders, i.e no contested claims. If you're thinking of a Kosovo Albanian hordes or European settlers in North America situation...no. Chinese are not moving into Siberia in droves. Nobody is. It's already populated by 38 million Russian citizens and was 'colonized' centuries ago.

The infrastructure is there for Russia to move anything and anyone anywhere in Siberia within days. China can't do that from its side. It certainly can't 'sneak' in 30+ million settlers over the course of years. And even if it did Russia is not a neoliberal democracy and will never be. Its constituent demographics especially in the out-lands don't affect policy in Russian dominated Moscow region and European Russia where 100 million Russian natives reside.

Being dependent on natural resources is not a good thing for a country. That aside, Russia doesn't have full gas coverage even in the places where they mine gas for selling it to others. So, it's only for the benefit of the ruling elite.
If anything goes sour, China might expect resurrection of an old meme, "civil" Russian "tractors" at the border. Or vice versa, some Siberian territories might be appropriated... Sad.
Siberia should be freeeeeee.
And having NO raw natural resources and having to import 90% of them is even worse (cough Japan cough). Russia is not a mere Saudi Arabia, it actually has brains, industry, engineers and technology. Saudis even import their teachers. In Russia's case I'd call the resource sector a huge boost, not a 'dependence'. Russia has been benefiting from Siberia's resource base since it colonized the territory. But never as potentially much as it can in the 21st century, thanks to the great thawing of the arctic and the rise of better extraction technologies. By all accounts if Siberia and the Arctic thaw, or technology continues to improve, Russia will become a resource hyper-power leaving everyone in the dust. Siberia has over 30% of the planets resource base...as in, ALL of the resources. You'll only be able to compete with them if you end up mining thousands of asteroids.

Once again the territorial implications of your argument are silly. If China could take Siberia by force or subterfuge then it wouldn't be paying $400,000,000 for a tiny percentage of Siberia's fucking gas.

China has ample gas/oil reserves in the SCS, but that's still contested and not as safe to develop as Siberia/Northern China. For $400 billion China could have built 50+ oil and gas platforms in the SCS but they'd be vulnerable to US naval meddling at this time. In 20-30 years they won't be.
 
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Basil II

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>Russia conquers Crimea
>Russia btfos ISIS
>Russia anschluss Belarus
>Russia's increasing control over Kazakhstan
>Russia gets a ludicrous amount of money

Cold War 2 Putin boogaloo is coming bois, the only question is whether or not it will be Soviet Union 2, or Russian Empire 2.
 

3119967d0c

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This is redundant. Russia is insulated from territorial loss by its vast nuclear arsenal. Plus by the fact that Russia and China have politically normalized all borders, i.e no contested claims. If you're thinking of a Kosovo Albanian hordes or European settlers in North America situation...no. Chinese are not moving into Siberia in droves. Nobody is. It's already populated by 38 million Russian citizens and was 'colonized' centuries ago.
Um but I read 'The Bear And The Dragon' and in that Russia got invaded by China and they had to be saved by Good Guy USA from the mean commies.

Are you telling me that real life is not like Tom Clancy's neocon fables where 'Patriot' missiles actually function and other such lies?
 

vanilla_pepsi_head

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>Russia conquers Crimea
>Russia btfos ISIS
>Russia anschluss Belarus
>Russia's increasing control over Kazakhstan
>Russia gets a ludicrous amount of money

Cold War 2 Putin boogaloo is coming bois, the only question is whether or not it will be Soviet Union 2, or Russian Empire 2.
Empire all the way. Putin's smart enough to know it's easier and less messy to use money to keep people in line than having a gun to their head all the time.
 

AN/ALR56

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Hmm, I think the strategic implications of this are flying right over your heads chaps.

It's a huge, clean liquidity boost for a country like Russia; over ten billion usd equivalent (they're trading in rubles and yuan) in the piggy bank every single year for at least 30 years. Imagine what Russia can do with that, considering what it did in Syria for just $2 billion per year (by sacrificing its annual military training budget which Syria fulfills anyway by being a testing ground for the military-note Russia also had to pause/freeze the Ukraine situation before it entered Syria).

It could fund 5-6x more Syria's simultaneously or massively expand its operations in the arctic i.e build entire resource extracting cities on its arctic coastline. It could fuck Ukraine out of existence. This would be a return to a more compact, intelligent global great power status on the back of this one pipeline alone. Russia's technology paving the way for increased sphere of influence in the areas most important to Russia (Eastern Europe, Arctic) with China's money. Shit is cash son.
Trump also did the major stupid mistake of insulting Brazil and Argentina, 2 of it's largest allies in the south american region.
Bolsonaro spent tons of political capital trying to ally himself with Trump to avoid being owned by China, so that he could get insulted on twitter because some farmers complained about the devaluation of currency.
Europe and America have not done a good job this year in relation to south america.

Their inability to unseat maduro because Russia put 2 strategic bombers on a airport in Caracas, their exceptional flame war against Brazil for something that Bolsonaro has no control over and that it was actually a yearly event (amazon gets dry, shit goes up in flames, it's been happening for years and it has actually decreased) so that they could pacify some angry farmers due to the mercosul trade deal and they avoided everything to help Macri stabilize argentina.

Now argentina is going socialist again, with massive chinese backed projects, Brazil is now going to the china camp anyway, the socialist governors in the northeast have been doing massive unofficial trade agreements, Brazil has now exported so much meat and iron to china and now the middle east, that we're having massive increases in food prices (meat has increased 60%, poultry 40% and pig meat 10%).
The last 2 years might have delivered a entire continent to china, i hope some 16 year old kid screaming and some old farmers complaining even with tons of subsidies was worth it.
 
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