RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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NOTE: This is a containment thread for sperging about the show itself and, if you so desire, the behind the scenes homosexual deviancy regarding Rooster Teeth that is unrelated to either Vic Mignogna or the Weeb Wars for which we have an entire sub-forum over there.

What started initially as the 2007 smash hit by the Kaiser Chiefs, would a few years later become the question if a bunch of American nerds and animators could do their own (3D) (pseudo-)anime. Enter RWBY.
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RWBY, RWBY, RWBY, RWBY
Do ya, do ya, do ya, do ya

Taking into account everything that happened until the moment of me writing this, from a point of impartiality it can be said beyond any reasonable doubt that the answer is a resounding no. So, what exactly went wrong? What makes this show so (in)famous? And how is it that the company that produced the highly acclaimed Red vs. Blue fucked it up with RWBY? Let’s take a look one step at a time. Make sure you’re well supplied because it’s going to be quite a trip.


The Show Itself
“It’s a cartoooooooooooon.” – Barbara Dunkleman

The following video is a TL;DR for those unfamiliar with the series itself, or who repressed their memories, that explains things in more eloquent ways that I could:

You have a simple basic bitch premise of four girls doing cool fights and hunting monsters, called the Grimm. The show aspires to be a mixture battle shounen and Harry Potter while blatantly stealing from getting inspired by various video games and anime series and trying to pay homage to various fairy tales, especially those from the brothers Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm. The results are visuals and fights that were initially cool but still inferior to the source material it plagiarized was inspired from and themes and concepts that are cool in theory and on paper, but are sadly never utilized to their fullest potential. It’s almost a wonder that RWBY is an original American creation in spite of looking more like a Chinese bootleg of an already mediocre shounen anime.

The plot itself is as much of an unholy mess as an Ellen Ripley clone and the canon has gone through more retcons and confusions than the Bible that it’s a miracle the fandom hasn’t descended into sectarian violence yet. While the writing has always been on the wrong side of the chromosome count, it is mostly agreed that things started to go to hell since Volume 3. Instead of boring you to death with a master’s thesis on RWBY’s shortcomings (for which there’ll be links to dedicated autists below), I’ll argue that the writing was doomed from the beginning on a conceptual level. The following three-part documentary on the late Monty Oum’s “vision” should clarify things:

In case you didn’t (bother to) watch it: RWBY is the creation of a bunch of weebs who see anime as a genre instead as a medium and henceforth tried to make it as “anime” as possible with the ensuing cringe and bad writing that is typical for shounen anime. In other words: Think of RWBY as one of these terrible weeb webcomics such as Megatokyo, Vampire Cheerleaders or Spinnerette and imagine if their authors had the budget and resources to turn their medical conditions into an animated series. A potential video game equivalent would be Yanderedev’s perpetual vaporware. That I think should explain most if not everything.

The “webcomicitis” disease in itself isn’t necessarily a death sentence and even though the writing was initially sloppy, it wasn’t completely irredeemable and even showed promise and potential that could have been developed by more competent writers that weren't pursuing a misguided attempt to create their misconception of an anime. As a matter of fact, even at its absolute lowest RWBY isn’t as bad as Sword Art Online or most other harem and pedobait anime series that plague the industry in this day and age. To better understand how this train derailed, it is crucial to take a look at the people behind RWBY and its very troubled production history.


The CRWBY
“That’s what happens when your Halo fanfiction becomes a fucking company.”mad bum (a user on the Dead Horse Interchange)

While the exceptional incompetence of the writers shares a great deal of responsibility for this show turning into such an unmitigated disaster, another great - and arguably bigger - factor is the sheer inability of the CRWBY and Rooster Teeth in general to keep its shit together. The user GoneRampant1 made an effortpost (Archive) on the r/TwoBestFriendsPlay subreddit giving a detailed production history of RWBY from the very beginning to Volume 7. To better understand some of the people involved, here is a short summary.

Monty Oum
The late creator of RWBY himself. Monty was the kind of eccentric person about whom you could write an entire novel, but to keep a long story short, the best way to summarize him are the words “autistic weeb”. A good animator who knew how to choreograph exciting anime fights, he was also plagued by shortcomings such as an unhealthy lifestyle and an even unhealthier personality. His demeanor made it clear that he had some (high functioning?) 'tism going on while he would, as a grown ass man(!), try to appear as cool as possible like some pubescent teenager which naturally resulted in cringe and occasional pity usually reserved for special needs children. To the initial surprise and shock of everyone (what in hindsight might have been diabolic intervention), Monty did something no one thought he'd be capable of: He attracted a woman and even convinced her to marry him. Said woman, Sheena, was a 5/10 conslut but still way better than an autistic Asian manchild with low testosterone can usually hope for. Naturally you'd expect the marriage to end with Sheena cheating on Monty with Chad and Tyrone, but the end came in form of her insisting on owning a cat, in spite of Monty's allergy towards them. Monty not having the sack to say no would one allergic overreaction later find himself hospitalized and later dead. Ever since, he has been put on a pedestal by the entire fandom, bickering over what Monty's Vision™ truly is, whereas yours truly considers him an honest to God lolcow who'd have his own thread if he was still alive. As Monty's life ended like a Greek tragedy, RWBY's tragedy however was only about to begin.

Shane Newville
Former animator at Rooster Teeth. As working on Volume 3 destroyed Shane’s life, marriage and pretty much everything of worth to him, he would eventually leave the company leaving behind an interesting open letter as a parting gift with some allegations being vindicated as time moved on.

Sheena Oum
Cosplay thot and Monty Oum’s widow. Her biggest claim to fame was her insisting on owning a cat which culminated in Monty’s death due to his cat allergies. For more info on her, I’d highly recommend reading her thread. In Sheena’s defence however it must be said that Monty’s death was in the end a result of him being a spineless poor excuse of a man. Sheena insisted on owning cats and not giving a fuck about Monty’s allergy. Given that Monty was a typical nerd and weeb and as such the kind of man who’s very uninteresting to women, it was only natural for him to cave in and be the bottom bitch to any woman who would give him the time of the day or even marry him for whatever godforsaken reason. Needless to say, said spinelessness ended up costing him his life.

Miles Luna and Kerry Shawcross
Miles Luna is the big brained nibba responsible for RWBY’s writing. Originally, he was supposed to be the professional writer who would wrangle Monty, a self-admitted bad writer and ideas guy. Problem is that you can’t tard wrangle a sped with another sped. Miles himself was back in the day wrangled when he co-wrote some critically acclaimed Red vs. Blue episodes, but with no one in sight to keep is assburgers in check, RWBY has been, especially after Monty’s death, completely at his mercy like an abused girl in a pervert’s sex dungeon with equally horrifying results. What makes it even more hilarious is the fact that Miles unironically fancies himself as a writing genius to the point where he takes any form of criticism as a personal attack. The reason I haven’t talked about Kerry is that he is such a non-entity of a human being with his only act of note so far being confirming the DC comics as canon in spite of them contradicting the show’s canon.

Kathleen Zuelch
A former producer and the voice actress of the sexy MILF teacher Glynda Goodwitch. In a(n allegedly) drunken state, Zuelch went to Twitter to chimp at her colleagues and employers at Rooster Teeth by dropping some serious allegations of behind the scenes Homer sexual deviancy. What back in the day sounded like the drunken ramblings of a decrepit hag in her midlife crisis, would turn out to be the drunken ramblings of a decrepit hag in her midlife crisis that might be based on truth given the content of Newville’s letter and especially Rooster Teeth’s corporate culture. Whatever the truth is, it was more than enough for Zuelch to be fired and her character Glynda to be completely un-personed instead of simply re-casted. Miles, as a matter of fact, is to this day so butthurt about the incident that he is still determined to erase any mentions and memories of Glynda wherever he can.

Ashley Burns (née Jenkins)
Voice actress of Coco Adel who got her position by sucking and fucking herself to the top. Currently married with the former CEO Burnie Burns. For now.

Jessica Nigri
Post-wall cosplay thot and voice actress of the antagonist and unintentional comic relief Cinder Fall. Notable for her atrocious voice acting that wouldn’t be out of place in a shitty 1970s Hong Kong kung fu movie dub, it has been a Scooby Doo mystery to why she was picked in the first place; though yours truly has some theories. Besides of the obvious two reasons, Jessica is most likely being kept around for her “star power” (for the lack of a better term, as comical as it sounds) as a high-profile professional cosplay thot and consult. Surprisingly, she has - at the time of me writing this - yet to be involved in any significant Rooster Teeth related drama. For more on Jessica, visit her thread over there.

Jason Liebrecht
Qrow’s new voice actor. For most part an insignificant person and performance wise a bargain bin version of Vic. During the course of the Weeb Wars however, he did gain some notoriety for picking an internet tardfight with some rando on Twitter where he put on an internet tough guy act that is second only to Tonkasaw. It culminated with Jason trying to get a dox on said rando intending to “send him a gift”. Judging by his gay biker appearance, we know too well what a “gift” means among his kind.

Lindsay Jones
Voice actress of Ruby Rose and wife of Sun Wukong’s voice actor Michael Jones. Used to be very pleasant to look at until she whaled the fuck out. Besides of that depressing trivia, there is nothing too spectacular to say, though Lindsay is worth keeping an eye on given that she has the potential to be one epic mental breakdown away from becoming Jamie Marchi 2.0. Remember ladies: The Wall is invincible and the Wall takes no prisoners! To her credit though, she did - unlike Jamie - gain the weight after becoming a mom.

Barbara Dunkleman
The voice actress of Yang Xiao Long. The shortest and most accurate way to describe Barb is to imagine her as the protagonist of every blonde joke ever told; so naturally Rooster Teeth made her the marketing and community manager. Barb's establishing moment was an incident at RTX 2017 when during a Q&A she answered an autistic fan's questions regarding the inconsistencies in the writing and plot holes with her now infamous "It's a cartooooooon". While Barb obviously handled the situation poorly, I at least am willing to cut her some slack given the fandom's autism as that incident was very reminiscent of an old Simpsons scene. For most part just a regular American voice acting sped (if you’d pardon the triple repetition) whose height of fame was her attempted Twitter tardfight with Piers Morgan.

Gray Haddock
Former head of animation of Rooster Teeth productions and voice actor of Roman Torchwick. As mentioned in the Reddit post, Gray is the big brained nibba behind gen:LOCK who in order to create his passion project left RWBY's production team - while still being one of its main pillars - seemingly out of the blue. He (allegedly) siphoned off precious resources from RWBY for his pet project and thus combined with his sudden departure left the show in a state of chaos that Kerry, mostly unsuccessfully, tried to salvage. The result of course is the infamous and memed on clusterfuck that is Volume 5. Gray ran the animation department like a concentration camp and tormented the animators like the biblical Pharaoh from Genesis; that is until word got upstairs and he got the boot. Gen:LOCK itself in a hilariously karmic twist ended up being a flop. Gray’s career is now in the same state he left Rooster Teeth: Fucked in the ass, and not even in the Greek way.

Minus some occasional Twitter tardouts, the CRWBY did, with some exceptions, a better job at keeping their collective trisomy 21 in check, especially during the drama around Vic. At least when compared to their Darwin Award winning counterparts at Funimation. However, while Rooster Teeth itself doesn’t necessarily warrant its own Community Watch thread yet at the time of me writing this, even without the Julay it becomes clear that Rooster Teeth fosters a corporate culture where the company is run by what financial experts would call “rеtards and fuckups”. It’s a miracle, if not DarksydePhil levels of sheer dumb luck, that the company is still alive as I’m writing this.

While the CRWBY and Rooster Teeth are relatively harmless, that is as long as they aren’t trying to dox you and give you AIDS, and may not yet qualify for their own thread in the Community Watch subforum, one group of people however does, the people for which RWBY is mostly infamous for: The fandom.


The FNDM
“Autism has become an epidemic.” – Donald Trump

The FNDM (pronounced "fandom") is the juiciest part of the franchise and the richest in Julay. With all the aforementioned developments of both the show itself and Rooster Teeth, I have noticed a demographic shift within the FNDM that more or less manifests almost like a medieval caste system.

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The patricians, nobles, brahmins or whatever you want to call the small minority on top are the FNDM’s sole redeeming element. Fans that not only have their shit together, but are actually talented artists themselves. Examples include Bach “Dishwasher1910” Do, a very talented artist who made some amazing alternate universe (look up RWBY Grimmverse, it’s metal as fuck) fanart and even became a concept artist of gen:LOCK. Kuma (NSFW) would be another such example who made the Henceforward fan webcomic and showed that shipping (Ruby X Weiss aka "White Rose" in particular) can be done right, and many more. The sheer creativity of some of the fanart, re-writes and memes is prone to make you cry bitter tears over the show's wasted potential.

While I believe that the “middle class” is self-explanatory, the dregs of society are the ones that make the FNDM so infamous for its autism and toxicity: Shippers. While shipteasing and shipping has been a thing since the very beginning, it has been increasingly endorsed by the staff and the voice actors themselves, especially when the writing increasingly took a nosedive. As RWBY was horribly mismanaged, the shipping became the show’s main selling point and it’s arguably (along with the Japanese all-star dub cast) the main thing that keeps it alive.

The shippers themselves have earned a certain notoriety you’d only see from fujoshis due to their Islamic fundamentalist levels of fanaticism when getting defensive over their pet ship; and by defensive I mean chimping the fuck out as one can witness it with Blake X Yang aka “Bumblebee” shippers. There is a lot one can say about the shippers within the FNDM as they warrant their own thread, but let’s just say that at one point their autism and unironic toxicity got so out of hand that during Volume 7 it even got media attention. It is at this point safe to assume that if Bumblebee doesn’t become canon the fandom’s meltdown will be our generation’s breakup of Take That.


Final Words

One has to admire the sheer resilience of RWBY. In spite of the bad writing, the fantastically inept staff and the cringy fandom, it has endured for over seven volumes and became Rooster Teeth’s flagship series. Outside the cartoon RWBY even established itself in other mediums as it got a bad comic adaptation by DC, two manga adaptations, a potentially good Chinese mobile hack-and-slash game that got cancelled, a pretty okay PC game and some mobile games no one even pretends to give a shit about. The most noteworthy mention would be team RWBY’s and Neo’s inclusion as guest characters in BlazBlue: Cross Tag Battle.

To finally end this wall of assburgers, it should lastly be stated that in spite of the above-mentioned troubles Rooster Teeth had, that initially put RWBY's future in question, further seasons have been greenlit. While RWBY might be safe for now, one cannot tell what the future holds. Maybe Miles Luna will find Jesus, come back to Earth and unfuck himself and start salvaging what can be salvaged better way too late than never. Or maybe we might live to see a reboot or a spiritual successor of RWBY if Rooster Teeth ever gets its shit together. Keeping everything in mind I just wrote, I do not feel too optimistic about the show’s future, especially not if they continue with their current course. I’ll give the final word to the Kaiser Chiefs themselves.

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Due to lack of interest
Tomorrow is canceled
Let the clocks be reset and the pendulums held
'Cause there's nothing at all 'cept the space in between
Finding out what you're called and repeating your name
RWBY, RWBY, RWBY, RWBY...

Links
RWBY's number 1 fan forum
r/RWBY - The show's subreddit
r/RWBYcritics - The subreddit where the wrongthinkers are exiled to
Vexed Viewer’s channel - For those interested in episodic reviews
adel aka’s YouTube channel - For general RWBY sperging
fatmanfalling's YouTube channel - For episodic/seasonal reviews, spergery and the Abridged... (Sort Of) series
Mercury Black's YouTube channel - For RWBY on Crack and other funny videos
Anime Outsiders podcast episode on RWBY
 
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Roland Daggett

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Excellent a thread dedicated to RWBY.

While the Monty Volumes are good even they have some issues that could have been ironed out had an actual writer been on board. Miles and Kerry were just glorified interns that got thrown at Monty when he needed help writing. They didn't know how to write a story (which is abundantly clear from the crappy seasons they've written) and didn't know how to help Monty refine his ideas. There are some issues with worldbuilding that Monty definitely had ideas for but he needed someone to be there to help him write those out properly.
 

Filthy Greenskin

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I only got as far as the end of the first season and was still following RvB at the time and while I haven't seen the later series, the whole first season just seemed to be your average fighting-school shoenen schlock which isn't necessarily bad. The animation was what it was and the fight scenes were well-choreographed, I will say that while I haven't seen any of the non-Monty material, the seasons of RvB he wrote was some of the most boring to me and RWBY seemed to follow in the same footsteps of unimaginative and somewhat contrived (wow all four girls names form the initials of the show which also is the name of the protagonist! Girl who acts a weird turns out to not be a girl at all but actually very cool robot!) tropes but hey, I've watched worse and it was clearly a fan project that I could at least see real passion being poured into.

But goddamn, the voice acting really was nails on a chalkboard for me. I don't watch dubs because there's only so many California squeaky-voices I can stomach but damn I felt they didn't even try to get half-decent voices in the booth and just got anyone from the office to talk into a mic.

Like I said, this is only from a first season perspective so maybe they ironed all this stuff out later on. Seemed to have gotten more traction than Gen:Lock at least.
 

OneHandClapping

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For those who are unaware of Monty Oum's previous work, he created an animated short called Haloid in 2007:
As cool as Haloid was, I remember Dead Fantasy more. It helps there were 6 episodes.

 

Duncan Hills Coffee

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I tried watching the first few episodes back in high school and I just plain didn't like it. I know I can't be too hard on the animation given that it was independently produced and it's basically a web-animation and that I should temper my expectations, but I found it really off-putting. I also found the dialogue to be cringe-inducing and a major reason why it didn't click with me.

That said, I've always found the behind-the-scenes drama to be utterly fascinating, like the whole thing with Monty's girlfriend adopting a cat despite him being deathly allergic to cats and may in fact have caused his death. I find that stuff so much more interesting than the actual show itself.
 

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Also, if you wanna laugh/rage some more, or put more thought into something that probably doesn’t deserve it, internet shows have had RWBY characters fight. A lot.

 
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Jewelsmakerguy

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RWBY's always been a clusterfuck of okayish ideas and bad-to-awful execution. Even with the increase in animation quality and runtime they're still falling way too short. And Season 7 doesn't really change that from what I've seen. And those new designs from that trailer suck ass.

As an aside, I hold no hope for what they'll do with that Netflix Transformers webseries they've been given. Since Hasbro seems to be really hands off about what happens in their shows and movies outside of "advertise these characters please." After all, if that Jem movie and the Bayformers films exist, Hasbro will probably allow whatever RT will do.
 
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Random Internet Person

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Also worth mentioning, Shane Newville’s letter. Shane Newville was a RT animator and Monty’s right hand man and was fired shortly after Monty died. The short of it is Shane accuses RT of changing things shortly after Monty was put into the ground and fan opinion of this is all over the place and some have painted this from “they’re not going by Monty’s vision” to “they’re ruining Monty’s magnum opus”. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-H0KuOwKFYwZTJxbXg0SG5CTEE/view
 

Roland Daggett

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Also worth mentioning, Shane Newville’s letter. Shane Newville was a RT animator and Monty’s right hand man and was fired shortly after Monty died. The short of it is Shane accuses RT of changing things shortly after Monty was put into the ground and fan opinion of this is all over the place and some have painted this from “they’re not going by Monty’s vision” to “they’re ruining Monty’s magnum opus”. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-H0KuOwKFYwZTJxbXg0SG5CTEE/view
I came into RWBY a while after the letter came out and I heard stans claim Shane was mentally unstable and a horrible person and all that junk. Not only did I find Shane to sound completely reasonable when I read it but time has validated him against the RT shills. The things that Shane spoke about really sound like the kind of petty schoolyard drama RT has been involved with, and given how Miles has hijacked RWBY for his own ego stroking I do not doubt they changed everything Monty wanted. I already believed it cause I've thought RT have been awful people for years but especially with the Vic stuff I think that only supports Shane's letter.

Personally I get a kick out of Yang who's supposed to be the "fan service sexy party girl" character getting covered up in later seasons.
They got woke af and realized that having a beautiful woman who is proud of her body is like totally not feminist or whatever. I find it hilarious too that Yang is covered up in these gaudy outfits which are the antithesis of her original design.
 

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I came into RWBY a while after the letter came out and I heard stans claim Shane was mentally unstable and a horrible person and all that junk. Not only did I find Shane to sound completely reasonable when I read it but time has validated him against the RT shills. The things that Shane spoke about really sound like the kind of petty schoolyard drama RT has been involved with, and given how Miles has hijacked RWBY for his own ego stroking I do not doubt they changed everything Monty wanted. I already believed it cause I've thought RT have been awful people for years but especially with the Vic stuff I think that only supports Shane's letter.
That and the drama between Barbara Dunkelman and ‎Kathleen Zuelch.
 

Fougaro

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RWBY itself is fairly unremarkable to me but it is interesting to see the fanbase go into CIvil War over the creeping SJW shit Miles and friends keep adding to the series.
To be honest I wasn't aware of that. I knew the fans, or FNDM as they are referred, are at each others' throats when it comes to shipping.

Personally I get a kick out of Yang who's supposed to be the "fan service sexy party girl" character getting covered up in later seasons.
If RWBY was an unironically good show, I would unironically call Yang the best girl.
 

CheezzyMach

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They got woke af and realized that having a beautiful woman who is proud of her body is like totally not feminist or whatever. I find it hilarious too that Yang is covered up in these gaudy outfits which are the antithesis of her original design.
What's even funnier is watching RVB and seeing shit like Donut and the politically incorrect humor in the show.

Makes me laugh at Miles acting like a good SJW on Twitter now. Assuming RT doesn't go tits up in 5 years it'll be fun to see these speds drop SJWism when it goes out of fashion just like they dropped politically incorrect atheism.
To be honest I wasn't aware of that. I knew the fans, or FNDM as they are referred, are at each others' throats when it comes to shipping.


If RWBY was an unironically good show, I would unironically call Yang the best girl.
When I still paid attention to Weeb Wars I checked out Hero Hei's channel, it's full of videos complaining about the direction the show's taken in it's last few seasons.
 
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