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When going for drama goes wrong. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1482125197431951360.html
Ain't this just a certified bruh moment?When going for drama goes wrong. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1482125197431951360.html
I should've worded the thing better, I have no problem with the show's heavy stuff, but I don't find Racism and Grimm's nature as something dark. But rewrites tend to go overboard and are constantly out of place. Jerry Freeman's Yang beating the shit out of Ruby, his GoT fanfic that is the Schnee Family, and the girls participating in what is basically WWI on remnant are one of the few gripes I have with. I want to site some of Celtic Phoenix's rewrites but good lord is it irritating to even sift through jungles of word salad that are his videos.You don't think so? Well first you have to do something about the Faunus being treated like crap and the Grimm being attracted to negative emotions since those are two of the biggest things that make the world feel like there's a lot of baggage. Also, with Team RWBY, you got each one with their own baggage but I guess most people just decide to go for drama in that regard.
Talk to @Sleazy Car Salesman or @Skipjack. They seem like the Celtic Phoenix experts here.I want to site some of Celtic Phoenix's rewrites but good lord is it irritating to even sift through jungles of word salad that are his videos.
Like you said, it’s probably because they feel being simple is a sign of being shit. And with Jerry Freeman, it’s all about just showing how better he is than RT and taking shots at it every chance he gets."Worldbuilding" is like the key poison here. Me and @Sleazy Car Salesman were going through RWBY Remnants' lore yesterday, and everything is just lame, generic "worldbuilding." Every main character is some super special and tragic hero that ties into yet another branch of the lore because the writer is just oh-so-smart, look at all the stuff he can put together. Of course, this means plot is nonexistent and the characters are dull. Everything is a shiny object with no substance. Like an earlier post said, this is NOT what needs fixing in RWBY. It's just complicating it more. Darker does not equal better.
It's a sign of immaturity and not being well-read. I'd rather understand what's going on than feel fake-smart because I understand the lore.Talk to @Sleazy Car Salesman or @Skipjack. They seem like the Celtic Phoenix experts here.
Like you said, it’s probably because they feel being simple is a sign of being shit. And with Jerry Freeman, it’s all about just showing how better he is than RT and taking shots at it every chance he gets.
Honestly, I agree. RT fucked him up like every other character they have. I found him pathetic for last 2-3 Volumes myself.When going for drama goes wrong. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1482125197431951360.html
Overall, he really isn't important and he wouldn't have had much to do in the later seasons, but compared to Cinder he was a much more interesting character to watch. Cinder is generic store brand villain, whereas Roman felt like the writers were trying for an interesting villain that directly went against Ruby's optimistic "everyone can be good" schtick.Is Roman Torchwick really THAT important to keep as a main villain? Would he impact the plot that much later on? IIRC he's literally was just a small time crime boss who bit off more than he could chew. What's with Phoenix fixation of the guy?
Isn't it that Cinder is/was the main villain? Why didn't he instead just kept her and Torchwick's dynamic the same or that of a henchman and the puppet master type. it actually made more sense to take Torchwick out of the picture. He could have made Torchwick represent the time where the protagonists were in there proverbial training wheels and use Torchwick's incarceration/death as a transition that the protagonists outgrew his threat. Then establish to the audience that with him out of the picture, Cinder can now get center stage, and despite how team RWBY grew, it is clear to the audience that she's still way out of their league. This not only concludes a story arc it also actually help tell the audience that shit just got real and the stakes are now higher.
Isn't that what volumes 3 and 4 did? and even 5?Isn't it that Cinder is/was the main villain? Why didn't he instead just kept her and Torchwick's dynamic the same or that of a henchman and the puppet master type. it actually made more sense to take Torchwick out of the picture. He could have made Torchwick represent the time where the protagonists were in there proverbial training wheels and use Torchwick's incarceration/death as a transition that the protagonists outgrew his threat. Then establish to the audience that with him out of the picture, Cinder can now get center stage, and despite how team RWBY grew, it is clear to the audience that she's still way out of their league. This not only concludes a story arc it also actually help tell the audience that shit just got real and the stakes are now higher.
One of the few good things RWBY did was kill him off in an ironic fashion as he was ranting and raving about the unfairness of the world, he gets killed by random chance by a Grimm.Is Roman Torchwick really THAT important to keep as a main villain? Would he impact the plot that much later on? IIRC he's literally was just a small time crime boss who bit off more than he could chew. What's with Phoenix fixation of the guy?
Isn't it that Cinder is/was the main villain? Why didn't he instead just kept her and Torchwick's dynamic the same or that of a henchman and the puppet master type. it actually made more sense to take Torchwick out of the picture. He could have made Torchwick represent the time where the protagonists were in there proverbial training wheels and use Torchwick's incarceration/death as a transition that the protagonists outgrew his threat. Then establish to the audience that with him out of the picture, Cinder can now get center stage, and despite how team RWBY grew, it is clear to the audience that she's still way out of their league. This not only concludes a story arc it also actually help tell the audience that shit just got real and the stakes are now higher.
It's lowkey one of the only bits of genius writing in RWBY since his death being more or less totally random and without ceremony completely legitimized his world view. It wasn't ironic at all, it was exactly what he said the world was like.One of the few good things RWBY did was kill him off in an ironic fashion as he was ranting and raving about the unfairness of the world, he gets killed by random chance by a Grimm.
I meant Irony more from Ruby's point of view. She was advocating for the opposite of Roman's Ideology and was planning on beating him in a test of skill. Only to have her be beaten legitimately and Roman has his victory robbed from him by random chance, validating his own ideology by losing in such a way.It's lowkey one of the only bits of genius writing in RWBY since his death being more or less totally random and without ceremony completely legitimized his world view. It wasn't ironic at all, it was exactly what he said the world was like.
I misunderstood what you were saying. But yeah, this. It's either intentionally or unintentionally a brilliant bit of writing although my money is on unintentional since his line immediately before it ends with him talking about how he's gonna do what he's always done best and survive, and then he immediately dies. Personally I think RT didn't think about it that hard and just went for the ironic gag there, but if they did do it intentionally to show Roman's worldview had merit then where was that writing for the rest of the series?I meant Irony more from Ruby's point of view. She was advocating for the opposite of Roman's Ideology and was planning on beating him in a test of skill. Only to have her be beaten legitimately and Roman has his victory robbed from him by random chance, validating his own ideology by losing in such a way.
You're absolutely correct about Roman; him and Neo were jobbers and they really didn't have a purpose to keep around after Volume 3 in light of Cinder and Salem becoming the new threats. With that said Celtic hates Oscar and wanted to write him out of the series, but Celtic really likes Roman (Celtic seems to have a strong attachment to the smooth talking rogue archetype in general) and so he just shoehorned Roman into Oscar's place to keep him around. This combined with the facts that Roman is now in an extremely important role for the setting as a whole and that Roman's cadence sounds basically just like how Celtic speaks normally is what leads some people to think that Roman is basically just Celtic's self-insert.Is Roman Torchwick really THAT important to keep as a main villain? Would he impact the plot that much later on? IIRC he's literally was just a small time crime boss who bit off more than he could chew. What's with Phoenix fixation of the guy?
Just wanted to reply to this since it jogged my noggin on Cinder a bit too. In Volume 8 they gave Cinder this really terrible backstory where she was basically a slave and so she hates the world because she was mistreated or whatever, it's stupid. This actually makes me like her less since half the reason Roman worked as a foil to Ruby is that he never was given a reason for becoming a crime boss, he was just a bad person. Cinder could have been a good person but was made bad by cruel people and I think that this really sucks because it isn't serving as a foil or challenge to the main character's view beyond the whole "their goals are mutually opposed to one-another" angle.EDIT:
@Dumpster dived waifu said: Overall, he really isn't important and he wouldn't have had much to do in the later seasons, but compared to Cinder he was a much more interesting character to watch. Cinder is generic store brand villain, whereas Roman felt like the writers were trying for an interesting villain that directly went against Ruby's optimistic "everyone can be good" schtick.
Well, stream finished. Might as well get to the summary, or at least things I find interesting.Sweet, the response stream. Let’s hear Celtic try to explain himself!
And if some things need context…
Might get around to adding summaries and notable points once it finishes.
The RT store has never been really great with RWBY merch. Lots of Team RWBY shirts over the years.I'm gonna pick through that FRWBY stream hopefully tonight here and give a write up like @Random Internet Person did because Jesus there's a lot to cover with it. In the meantime, here's this.
I've literally never been to the RT store since I've never seen a single piece of RT merch I wanted to buy even when I still liked RT.The RT store has never been really great with RWBY merch. Lots of Team RWBY shirts over the years.