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Ok, I've been reading the last couple of pages, and I still don't understand what the fuck everyone is talking about. Please, someone treat me like the dent headed retard I am, and fill me in on what's going on.
There is a fan project called Fixing RWBY and the creator and most of his team is a serious sperg. We're taking the piss out of them.
 

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There is a fan project called Fixing RWBY and the creator and most of his team is a serious sperg. We're taking the piss out of them.
Ok, so this has all been about the fanfic, and not actual RWBY. I've been so confused as to why anything official RWBY would use such fucking garbage detail models.
 

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Also, one of Floof's go-tos for comparison is to say the hair rigs and faces look better. Look, I'm not saying the RWBY models look great, but they are made by professionals. There are a lot of talented, hardworking people who work for RT that are at the whims of horrendous management. I don't even think Floof did these models, I've only ever seen him do 2D animation. The main modeler was a guy named JayJay who is a pretty cool guy actually.
It doesn't matter if the modeller is a cool guy. These models aren't to snuff, not because they look shitty, but because they don't represent the character.

I'd need to see the character sheets before I could really make a judgement, but from what I know about these characters, these models should never have passed the rough draft stage.

In writing, clothes and appearance matter very little. I can put down "His hair was grey", and move on with the scene. This will work even with major characters, let alone minor. But even writers should understand that if you take the time to describe it, it needs to fit, or you need to be doing something clever.

Wiess is bad. But workable.

Yang is bland. Forgettable. For a main character, that's a death knell.

Nora is probably the worst because I could not recognize her. That should never happen.

Taurus is recognizable, but wrong. He looks like he's going to a masked ball when he needs to look like a violent revolutionary. Clothes matter in visual formats. Anyone competent recognizes this, and proceeds accordingly.


Going a bit back to the posts calling Raymond a nonce, I don't think that's the case. As I've said before, he's just really socially inept. A lot of stuff he says and does is the result of either him trying to say something charismatic and failing horribly, or him making bad decisions of who to listen to. For example, when he was hesitant about kicking the admitted pedophile from the server, he was listening to Dashie Li over the other mods, because Dashie is his friend. The onsen episode was suggested by someone else as well, though I'm sure he was very thrilled about the idea.
He's not socially inept. He's inept period.

His script is not good enough. The people mocking him for taking two months to make a hundred page script a few pages back have no idea what they are talking about. A hundred pages is roughly 30k words of prose. Two months for that much prose? If its good prose, then you are a speed demon.

The problem is, from what little I see, all I get out of it is incompetence.

The onsen is the biggest red flag. It's bloat. As an author, it breaks the cardinal rule of not wasting your audiences time.

As a script writer, it is literally inexcusable. Animations have to be made. Sets have to be modeled. Clothes have to be changed. Voice lines recorded. Storyboards drafted. And for what? A little fan service that doesn't advance the narrative? That is man hours that could be put towards something actually useful, and instead, it's wasted on fetish territory. A script is not a rough draft. It is the autistic big brother of the plot outline. It's a plot outline that has been third drafted so an entire team knows what the fuck they need to be doing so it can all come together in post. Everything needs to be connected, every detail needs to have a purpose, and if it doesn't, then you must cut it to save time.

In a serious story, there is no room for waste, regardless of whether you are an author or a script writer. A narrative is just too easy for you to mess up if you are careless.
 

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He's not socially inept. He's inept period.

His script is not good enough. The people mocking him for taking two months to make a hundred page script a few pages back have no idea what they are talking about. A hundred pages is roughly 30k words of prose. Two months for that much prose? If its good prose, then you are a speed demon.

The problem is, from what little I see, all I get out of it is incompetence.

The onsen is the biggest red flag. It's bloat. As an author, it breaks the cardinal rule of not wasting your audiences time.

As a script writer, it is literally inexcusable. Animations have to be made. Sets have to be modeled. Clothes have to be changed. Voice lines recorded. Storyboards drafted. And for what? A little fan service that doesn't advance the narrative? That is man hours that could be put towards something actually useful, and instead, it's wasted on fetish territory. A script is not a rough draft. It is the autistic big brother of the plot outline. It's a plot outline that has been third drafted so an entire team knows what the fuck they need to be doing so it can all come together in post. Everything needs to be connected, every detail needs to have a purpose, and if it doesn't, then you must cut it to save time.

In a serious story, there is no room for waste, regardless of whether you are an author or a script writer. A narrative is just too easy for you to mess up if you are careless.
So much for that English degree that apparently makes him better than Miles and Kerry.

And yeah, the ineptitude is very much noticeable in his book. It's what first made me feel so betrayed.
 

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So much for that English degree that apparently makes him better than Miles and Kerry.

And yeah, the ineptitude is very much noticeable in his book. It's what first made me feel so betrayed.
You cannot teach someone art. You can only give them the building blocks.

Mc-faggot, Phd in writing, has all his legos, but I don't care if he can tell me that the oxford comma is clearly superior and I'm a hoe. I only care if he can put those legos together and get the US capitol building.

Mc-faggot paid someone to waste years of his life so someone could spout their opinions at him. And now he thinks the oxford comma is objectively superior, but that doesn't change the fact that I can name five people who thought the oxford comma was fake and gay, and refused to use it at all. Their works changed the culture of countries. Mc-faggot thinks that you must you a proper punctuation, but he can't explain the roaring success of authors in the past who refused to use it, going against the current grain, and received roaring success.

That is because all the building blocks in the world doesn't teach you which lessons to apply where. An Onsen is good for an Isekai where the audience wants boobs. An Onsen does not do so well when your MC is a fifteen year old girl, your plot has nothing to do with romance or sex, and your audience wasn't asking for boobs.

You don't need to pay someone to get the tool box. And the only way you can learn how to use the hammer to hit the nail instead of your dick is to write a fuck ton, and never stop. The current document that I am working on is 140k. I have likely written in excess of 2 million words in 2021. Some letters on my keyboard were rubbed blank over two years ago. My shift key is gone. I will soon need to replace this keyboard for something a little more durable, but not for a few months yet because I don't need to look at the keyboard, ever. I know where everything is.

If someone tells you they have a degree in english, or writing, or huffing their own farts, the only question you should ask is "Where is your work? I want to see it."

If you thought a writer would make a good script, your first quesiton should've been "Show me one of your scripts." It is your fault if you didn't.
 

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Mc-faggot thinks that you must you a proper punctuation, but he can't explain the roaring success of authors in the past who refused to use it, going against the current grain, and received roaring success.
It's funny you use this example, because Raymond is very anti-comma. Not even Oxford... just comma. It adds to the rambling.
You don't need to pay someone to get the tool box. And the only way you can learn how to use the hammer to hit the nail instead of your dick is to write a fuck ton, and never stop. The current document that I am working on is 140k. I have likely written in excess of 2 million words in 2021. Some letters on my keyboard were rubbed blank over two years ago. My shift key is gone. I will soon need to replace this keyboard for something a little more durable, but not for a few months yet because I don't need to look at the keyboard, ever. I know where everything is.
You also need experience. No matter how hard you try, you won't learn how people work if you don't go out and talk to them, learn about how they live, learn how they speak and think. Raymond won't get any of that sitting at home with his waking hours between 3pm and 6am.
That is because all the building blocks in the world doesn't teach you which lessons to apply where. An Onsen is good for an Isekai where the audience wants boobs. An Onsen does not do so well when your MC is a fifteen year old girl, your plot has nothing to do with romance or sex, and your audience wasn't asking for boobs.
I like that he thinks it's tasteful because a woman suggested it, and also because there was one Japanese girl who gave the thumbs up. Because I said it was ridiculous, the Sketchy Huntsmen think I'm a racist who hates Japan. Even though they're the ones who thought they needed to depict Japanese culture with a public bath and not like, anything else. I dunno, a shrine, a garden, anything else.
 

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It's funny you use this example, because Raymond is very anti-comma. Not even Oxford... just comma. It adds to the rambling.
I'm not actually against that. There is no wrong way to write. Sorta. Writers break rules all the time. The difference between a writer like him, and a writer like me is that I know the rules I am breaking, and I understand why the benefit of breaking that rule outwieghs the harm not following it does.
You also need experience. No matter how hard you try, you won't learn how people work if you don't go out and talk to them, learn about how they live, learn how they speak and think. Raymond won't get any of that sitting at home with his waking hours between 3pm and 6am
Expeirence. Research. Effort.

Any two of those can make up for the lack of the third.

Have you ever fought in a war? No? Does that mean you cannot write them?

In this day and age of tiktok, candid shots, tourists giving you six hour livestreams exploring a country, and the internet in general, research has never been easier.
I like that he thinks it's tasteful because a woman suggested it, and also because there was one Japanese girl who gave the thumbs up. Because I said it was ridiculous, the Sketchy Huntsmen think I'm a racist who hates Japan. Even though they're the ones who thought they needed to depict Japanese culture with a public bath and not like, anything else. I dunno, a shrine, a garden, anything else.
You focus on whether there should be tits or pebbles, and miss the real question.

What does japan have to do with Remnant?

It's not your job to ask that question. It's Raymonds.

It's Raymonds job to look at the character pre-sketches and ask "Does this outfit send the message about these characters that I want the audience to hear?"

It's Raymonds job to ask "What can I do with an Onsen, and how does that help me characterize my characters, and advance the plot?"

Don't call it a grave. This is the future you chose. The second you as a group decided that yeah, someone who doesn't understand the basics of body language, let alone mastery of it is perfectly acceptable to write a story portrayed in a visual medium was the second the project crashed and burned.

This is a walking corpse that doesn't know its dead, held together by mutual stupidity, weebry, and autism.

Edit:Good on you for jumping ship. This crash is gonna be good.
 
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I actually took a look at the 'narrative essay', and honestly, this only leaves me with more questions than answers.

Rhyme, why on earth did any of you think this was acceptable? Why did you ever -start- thinking this was in anyway acceptable? If someone came up to me and asked me to write a script for their passion project, then proceeded to refuse to tell me what was and wasn't feasible for them to animate, I'd tell him to fuck off. Even if I wanted to do the passion project. -Especially- if I wanted to do the passion project.

I'm not even going to bother analyzing the plot, because it doesn't matter.

We open on darkness, muffled sounds echoing in our ears; distant combat, screams of terror, rushing wind and nearby explosions, all drowned by the shadows. And then, a hand emerges, wearing a partially dissolved glove layered in flickering green aura. Tendrils of darkness lap at the hand, trailing dry, acidic scars in the skin before it’s completely obscured again. A moment later a face emerges, struggling against the living ink; it’s Roman, panicked, angered, and scrabbling desperately to escape the haze, his limbs pulling free for a second only to be dragged back in, a new trail of scars like chemical burns etched into his body. We see that in one of his hands is his cane , and as the tendrils begin to lap at his face, he squeezes his eyes shut and pulls the trigger.
This is your beginning, and I can already say this is not fit for purpose.

It is not the modelers job to scavenger hunt for what the scene looks like. Bare minumum, you should have a clinical description of the scene, and everyone in it. If there is a detail that is in anyway relevant to what you are trying to do, it needs to be in there.

Characters internal thoughts should be off to the side. They are useful, but this should be a section solely for the benefit of the modelers.

Instead, everyone involved, from the modeler, to the animator, to the voice actor, all have to read this paragraph when only a fourth of it at best is relevant to them.
Roman growls that he had his hands tied; he didn’t want a single part of what happened but, if he hadn’t complied the way he had, he would’ve been killed on the spot. His ‘employers’ over the last half year have been exceptionally powerful; why would Roman even entertain the idea of getting arrested in the first place? He could have made out of there Scot free if it hadn’t been for the people pulling the strings using him as a scapegoat.

This is your dialogue. I'd say it was bad, but that would require the dialogue to be there in the first place.

Any of you want to know why the voice actors need better lines? Heres your answer. They were never given lines in the first place.

Rhyme, why did anyone ever agree to help this project in the first place if your writer wasn't just not doing his job well, but wasn't doing parts of his job at -all-?

Snappy, witty dialogue is not an easy thing. And yet Raymond is expecting actors to come up with it on the fly? To make it worse, there is -no- distinction between internal thoughts, which VA's can use to figure out the tone they should be going for, and actual lines that they need to make up.

Rhymes, the equivalent of this for me is asking me to write 30k words, and then handing me a stone tablet and a chisel.

Why wasn't the first script thrown back into Raymonds face? Help me understand, please, because you seem like a reasonable person. Are these people autistic? Is he blackmailing them? Are they all sub 70 iq? Did Raymond give each one of them head?

How on earth did this manage to get to volume two, let alone five?
 

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Going a bit back to the posts calling Raymond a nonce, I don't think that's the case. As I've said before, he's just really socially inept. A lot of stuff he says and does is the result of either him trying to say something charismatic and failing horribly, or him making bad decisions of who to listen to. For example, when he was hesitant about kicking the admitted pedophile from the server, he was listening to Dashie Li over the other mods, because Dashie is his friend. The onsen episode was suggested by someone else as well, though I'm sure he was very thrilled about the idea.
He's pretty fucking retarded I can give him that but to other people, mainly the spergs outside of this autistic website, will point him guilty by association. It's the people who he chose to surround himself that are nonces. Fatman is a lolicon and can't help but to "jokingly" post loli porn and let the crew read loli rape fanfics, Dashie is delusional thinking he can pull off a shounen protagonist to an IRL discord pedophile that may be in the opposite end of the planet, and floof who, if I read the posts here back in 2020 or early 2021 correctly, has been rumored to have zoophilic tendencies. Good lord you made the right call revealing FRWBY discord's powerlevel here, I can already imagine the sheer trainwreck and shitfest that'll happen if you did this on fucking Reddit or Tumblr...
 

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Expeirence. Research. Effort.

Any two of those can make up for the lack of the third.
I disagree if only for conversation/people. You need to go outside to see how people are without the barrier of a screen.
Edit:Good on you for jumping ship. This crash is gonna be good.
I hope it doesn't crash. I want to see where this goes.
Rhyme, why on earth did any of you think this was acceptable? Why did you ever -start- thinking this was in anyway acceptable? If someone came up to me and asked me to write a script for their passion project, then proceeded to refuse to tell me what was and wasn't feasible for them to animate, I'd tell him to fuck off. Even if I wanted to do the passion project. -Especially- if I wanted to do the passion project.
I was 21, it was at the time better than RWBY if only for its minor fixes, and Raymond held himself up as a great writer. I'd been friends with him for 2 years by that point. I strove for his approval. Of course, I feel like an idiot now, but live and learn I guess. I also really wanted my music somewhere, and was willing at first to do it for free. I won't do that again.
Rhyme, why did anyone ever agree to help this project in the first place if your writer wasn't just not doing his job well, but wasn't doing parts of his job at -all-?

Snappy, witty dialogue is not an easy thing. And yet Raymond is expecting actors to come up with it on the fly? To make it worse, there is -no- distinction between internal thoughts, which VA's can use to figure out the tone they should be going for, and actual lines that they need to make up.

Why wasn't the first script thrown back into Raymonds face? Help me understand, please, because you seem like a reasonable person. Are these people autistic? Is he blackmailing them? Are they all sub 70 iq? Did Raymond give each one of them head?
There are no voice actors, actually. Just Raymond reading the script as fast as possible with no emotion. But to answer your first question, none of us really noticed. The artists were just happy to put art somewhere, and the circlejerk was strong enough that no one criticized or noticed.

Why wasn't the script thrown back? Well, most of the crew aren't good writers. The people I remember from our streams that were the best writers were absent. Mupa was a very strong technical writer, but not so much storytelling skill.

Earlier I talked about how on my computer, there's the short start to a fanfic idea I had, and Raymond doing the same prompt and "fixing" mine. While my style was rather dry, it wasn't the worst. He took my prose and purpled it up, with those stupid in-narration thought interruptions. I thought, wow, he does all these fancy things, he must be really good. What did I know? I was an engineering student at the time, it's not like I was immersed in much literature. And everyone else said he was good, so he must be good, right?

When I read the first chapter of his book, it was like the rose-colored glasses shattered. Afterwards, I did start criticizing his script, and was completely ignored.

The Sketchy Huntsmen were all artists. They were just there to draw for RWBY fix man and be praised for it.
Dashie is delusional thinking he can pull off a shounen protagonist to an IRL discord pedophile that may be in the opposite end of the planet
Dashie is a woman (supposedly) and isn't delusional at all if you ask me. I think she's quite smart portraying herself as an autistic weeb's dream woman: flirty, hyper-positive, hyperactive, making sex jokes... She used to ask new people how "pure" they were and made them take some BDSM test. Nowadays she has a $50 Patreon tier that guarantees one whole Discord call a month.
floof who, if I read the posts here back in 2020 or early 2021 correctly, has been rumored to have zoophilic tendencies
Floof isn't morally abhorrent like that, he's just socially awkward and emotionally unstable. His entire being is hinged on hating RWBY to the point of fantasizing about the characters dying, and no one tells him this is extremely unhealthy. Apparently, his obsession with fluffy tails and ears is because he's horribly allergic to animals IRL and this is how he copes. So I can't be too mad.
Good lord you made the right call revealing FRWBY discord's powerlevel here, I can already imagine the sheer trainwreck and shitfest that'll happen if you did this on fucking Reddit or Tumblr...
Yeah, I'm not about to send the swarm onto these people, because there's a lot of good members of the Sketchy Huntsmen who I don't want to see caught up in the whirlwind. It's not worth it.
 

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I can't reply to your post directly so I'll just do this.

That Implies that Dashie's only reason to keeping the pedo around is to extort that guy and not change him. That or the 'I want to change him' thing was a joke that Phoenix took seriously at a very horrible moment in time.

Floof can have my sympathy but going to discord to rag on RWBY with friends is only enabling his downward spiral towards delusion and emotional instability, he should've sought a therapist. I hate RWBY with a passion as well but it does not border into seeking reasons to further hate it.

Lastly, the sheer irony that this website that a lot of people proclaimed to be the 'internet's biggest stalker website' is a lot more contained than Reddit and Twitter will never be lost on me.
 
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I actually took a look at the 'narrative essay', and honestly, this only leaves me with more questions than answers.

Rhyme, why on earth did any of you think this was acceptable? Why did you ever -start- thinking this was in anyway acceptable? If someone came up to me and asked me to write a script for their passion project, then proceeded to refuse to tell me what was and wasn't feasible for them to animate, I'd tell him to fuck off. Even if I wanted to do the passion project. -Especially- if I wanted to do the passion project.

I'm not even going to bother analyzing the plot, because it doesn't matter.

We open on darkness, muffled sounds echoing in our ears; distant combat, screams of terror, rushing wind and nearby explosions, all drowned by the shadows. And then, a hand emerges, wearing a partially dissolved glove layered in flickering green aura. Tendrils of darkness lap at the hand, trailing dry, acidic scars in the skin before it’s completely obscured again. A moment later a face emerges, struggling against the living ink; it’s Roman, panicked, angered, and scrabbling desperately to escape the haze, his limbs pulling free for a second only to be dragged back in, a new trail of scars like chemical burns etched into his body. We see that in one of his hands is his cane , and as the tendrils begin to lap at his face, he squeezes his eyes shut and pulls the trigger.
This is your beginning, and I can already say this is not fit for purpose.

It is not the modelers job to scavenger hunt for what the scene looks like. Bare minumum, you should have a clinical description of the scene, and everyone in it. If there is a detail that is in anyway relevant to what you are trying to do, it needs to be in there.

Characters internal thoughts should be off to the side. They are useful, but this should be a section solely for the benefit of the modelers.

Instead, everyone involved, from the modeler, to the animator, to the voice actor, all have to read this paragraph when only a fourth of it at best is relevant to them.
Roman growls that he had his hands tied; he didn’t want a single part of what happened but, if he hadn’t complied the way he had, he would’ve been killed on the spot. His ‘employers’ over the last half year have been exceptionally powerful; why would Roman even entertain the idea of getting arrested in the first place? He could have made out of there Scot free if it hadn’t been for the people pulling the strings using him as a scapegoat.

This is your dialogue. I'd say it was bad, but that would require the dialogue to be there in the first place.

Any of you want to know why the voice actors need better lines? Heres your answer. They were never given lines in the first place.

Rhyme, why did anyone ever agree to help this project in the first place if your writer wasn't just not doing his job well, but wasn't doing parts of his job at -all-?

Snappy, witty dialogue is not an easy thing. And yet Raymond is expecting actors to come up with it on the fly? To make it worse, there is -no- distinction between internal thoughts, which VA's can use to figure out the tone they should be going for, and actual lines that they need to make up.

Rhymes, the equivalent of this for me is asking me to write 30k words, and then handing me a stone tablet and a chisel.

Why wasn't the first script thrown back into Raymonds face? Help me understand, please, because you seem like a reasonable person. Are these people autistic? Is he blackmailing them? Are they all sub 70 iq? Did Raymond give each one of them head?

How on earth did this manage to get to volume two, let alone five?
Double posting be damned but I said this once and I'll say it again: The "Narrative Essay" alone should be the pinnacle proof on why FRWBY is a production nightmare.
 

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Rhyme, why did anyone ever agree to help this project in the first place if your writer wasn't just not doing his job well, but wasn't doing parts of his job at -all-?
I wasn't part of the project and I cannot claim to know anyone else's mind but if I had to guess I'd say that a lot of the team were some combination of inexperienced and optimistic, there was probably a bit of vanity in some of them too. I don't actively follow the various RWBY fans and RWBY critics subreddits and youtube channels and I don't actively follow RT either, my exposure to the show is pretty strictly just what's posted in this thread and watching the show itself, but looking through Celtic's channel it appears that the Fixing RWBY series as a whole has garnered about 150k views, not a lot but probably still the most action this fandom has seen in years, and it's fully possible that a number of creators with a burning passion for RWBY or just for animation and/or writing in general saw this as the way to get their ideas heard or to be involved in what they saw as a labor of love. They got caught up in the inertia of the project and we must always remember the Geek Social Fallacies on top of that.

But like I said that's just a theory and I won't claim that it's the actual case since I won't put words in other people's mouths like that.

EDIT: should have read down a bit, looks like @Rhymes 19 already gave an answer.
 

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I wasn't part of the project and I cannot claim to know anyone else's mind but if I had to guess I'd say that a lot of the team were some combination of inexperienced and optimistic, there was probably a bit of vanity in some of them too. I don't actively follow the various RWBY fans and RWBY critics subreddits and youtube channels and I don't actively follow RT either, my exposure to the show is pretty strictly just what's posted in this thread and watching the show itself, but looking through Celtic's channel it appears that the Fixing RWBY series as a whole has garnered about 150k views, not a lot but probably still the most action this fandom has seen in years, and it's fully possible that a number of creators with a burning passion for RWBY or just for animation and/or writing in general saw this as the way to get their ideas heard or to be involved in what they saw as a labor of love. They got caught up in the inertia of the project and we must always remember the Geek Social Fallacies on top of that.

But like I said that's just a theory and I won't claim that it's the actual case since I won't put words in other people's mouths like that.

EDIT: should have read down a bit, looks like @Rhymes 19 already gave an answer.
I agree with this too, you said it well. If you ask the artists, they're perfectly happy with contributing to this project like it's a community effort.

Also, I just noticed this in the excerpt @The Periodic Gamer posted:
"Tendrils of darkness lap at the hand"
"and as the tendrils begin to lap at his face"

Raymond does not understand words sometimes. This is a particularly egregious example, but one sign of someone who doesn't read enough is their inability to understand not just the definition, but the tone of words. I'm not the best prose writer, but I'm an experience lyric writer, and when you're only dealing with 200-500 words to tell a story, every word needs to be considered. Each word has its own weight and sound to it that can completely change the meaning of a sentence. It's something I actually picked up on while studying the RWBY soundtrack as a teenager, wondering why the lyrics sounded so off. An example in that which comes to mind is in "All Things Must Die," where the word "resign" is used as a synonym for giving up and dying. It just doesn't sound right, because that word is almost always used in a much more mundane context than battle. It's little things like that.
 

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Also, I just noticed this in the excerpt @The Periodic Gamer posted:
"Tendrils of darkness lap at the hand"
"and as the tendrils begin to lap at his face"
Unintentional Torchwick tentacle smutfic material right there. Possible subconscious homosexual infatuation towards him too.

Raymond does not understand words sometimes. This is a particularly egregious example, but one sign of someone who doesn't read enough is their inability to understand not just the definition, but the tone of words. I'm not the best prose writer, but I'm an experience lyric writer, and when you're only dealing with 200-500 words to tell a story, every word needs to be considered. Each word has its own weight and sound to it that can completely change the meaning of a sentence. It's something I actually picked up on while studying the RWBY soundtrack as a teenager, wondering why the lyrics sounded so off. An example in that which comes to mind is in "All Things Must Die," where the word "resign" is used as a synonym for giving up and dying. It just doesn't sound right, because that word is almost always used in a much more mundane context than battle. It's little things like that.
He's stuck in the 'deep and flowery words = good writing' mentality that amateur artists suffer. I'm not qualified as a professional writer and I consider myself a hobbyist and my skill with the pen falls under illustration rather than prose, but from experience I can tell you this mentality is rooted in the idea that deep words makes you come as an intellectual, in reality it just make you look pretentious and vain. By the way things are going with FRWBY, all I can say is he'll never grow out of this phase because his popularity and his discord server has done nothing but enable him for years.
 
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He's stuck in the 'deep and flowery words = good writing' mentality that amateur artists suffer. I'm not qualified as a professional writer and I consider myself a hobbyist and my skill with the pen falls under illustration rather than prose, but from experience I can tell you this mentality is rooted in the idea that deep words makes you come as an intellectual, in reality it just make you look pretentious and vain. By the way things are going with FRWBY, all I can say is he'll never grow out of this phase because his popularity and his discord server has done nothing but enable him for years.
It explains his grammatical prose for sure. All the semicolons and odd sentence structures really speak of an insecurity in his own skill. A good writer is confident in their ability to communicate ideas without smothering it under ridiculous prose and unusual word choice. It's like the writing equivalent of blurring a background in a movie to hide bad special effects. Now I'm stuck with the mental image of "tendrils lap at his face." Thanks.
 

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Celtic and The Sketchy Hunstmen did an art stream.

I watched a little bit of it life to see what we’re dealing with, and it’s just them going over the art and the process of making it, and it goes by artist. There’s timestamps now that it’s completed, as well as the @s of the artists in the description. If there’s nothing interesting to say, at least you got some art to look at.

Noah/@K2Kaiju

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-Noah wanted the falling out between Raven and the tribe, called “one of the most vital scenes of the volume”
-this still was inspired from a graphic design/still from DanganRonpa
-Noah thinks he’s made Shiloh really handsome, and he’s proud of that. Another artists says everyone made Shiloh look kind of handsome
-Celtic says that Shiloh looks like Kevin Bacon in Tremors
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-Noah calls this “the bane of his existence”, citing the time it took to figure out how to place characters

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-Celtic says this shot conveys everything he wanted for Raven, she hates the relic, she’s in misery, and he loves Raven’s expression.
-Noah couldn’t find a reference for Raven, as her character design sheet didn’t exist at the time.
-The lack of background objects was to show how alone Raven is.
-the clouds are from Google Images

Jackie/@a_mellowtea
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-Jackie mentions a lot of technical issues coming up while working, as well as being in her second to last year of college, but she’s happy with her output.
-Getting Yang and Neo to look decent was a challenge because Jackie doesn’t do a lot of perspective work
-the script for this was simply “Neo and Yang are chilling by a wall”
-the hardest part and the part that took the most time was the bike because Jackie doesn’t draw vehicles
-when asked why the bike looks like a Tron cycle, Jackie says it’s because the bike looks that way in the show.
-Jackie mentions she made a mistake of Neo having brown hair instead of the normal brown and pink, and Celtic mentions how surprised he was to find that small detail from V4 picked up and was referenced and became part of the “Fixing RWBY canon” and mentioned how lots of artists made the same mistake.
-Celtic mentions he should have described the characters in a way where the details should have been described, and that this was the first time we see Neo all volume.
-Celtic likes the perspective, and says it’s like Yang and Neo are being spied on by someone hiding in the trees.
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-Jackie mentions wanting to redo this shot and being on a tight schedule, but she had a lot of fun with the map. She also likes the graffiti on the wall.
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-This is a progression of three shots.
-Jackie was going to redo these, but she lost the files, and she had managed to save Yang so that’s why she was colored. By the time she was going to color the backgrounds, she was pressed against the deadline.
-Celtic and Jackie like the lack of background color since it makes it look like she’s alone and lost in her trauma.
-Jackie calls these shots “her standard” if she get a chance to work on V6.
-Jackie was also working on the dinner scene, but the files got corrupted.
Kitty/@KittyShimaArt
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-Kitty made one of the guards look like one of her OCs because “she needs a fluffy boy” and “she got a fluffy boy, even if they’d never help the cops”
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-Kitty wanted Ilia to have a short sleeve jumpsuit that she’d look nice in, but she concedes it might have been a little to fashionable for jail.
-Celtic says that he didn’t specify anything about the jumpsuit, and was surprised to see everyone consistently make her jumpsuit Orange. There were also different styles, such as collared and short sleeved.
-There wasn’t any communication over Ilia wearing handcuffs or not. Kitty decided against it since she wanted Ilia to be able to move around, it was a scene of people talking about important things, and she wanted to focus on the faces of the characters.

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-the idea of the faces of Blake and Kali was to show the difference in maturity and experience, so Blake’s expressions were goofier while Kali has a sense of “I got this”. while Blake is more “Mom, what are we doing?”
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-Celtic says that when he gives artists the script, he just asks for something to describe what’s going on in the scene, so he wasn’t expecting things like micro cuts to change expressions and pose. There’s a lot of freedom for the artists.

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-Kitty calls this scene “easy” since it’s just an interrogation room without much going on, and she doesn’t really do backgrounds.
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-Regarding the bar, Kitty says “Symbolism! You’re not handcuffed, but you are handcuffed by the gay!”
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Kitty liked this scene where Ilia says that Blake won’t be able to do this charm thing again. Celtic says Blake is “kind of manipulative” and Ilia is going “I'm going to actively try to get over you.”
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-Blake actually does feel guilt. And Kitty’s brain was “saxophones”. Celtic mentions nothing sexy is going on so it’d be “Careless Whisper but off key or on a kazoo.”
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-Celtic mentions trying to not make anyone uncomfortable when assigning scenes, and that he felt this “banzai” scene fit Kitty.
-Kitty felt like Yang’s stump being shown was a feature that had to be shown/something she wanted to show as opposed to having a sleeve cover everything.
-Celtic mentions a running joke became artists forgetting Weiss’ scar since in the main show it’s rather superficial and it isn’t as pronounced.
-Kitty calls the onsen episode “sweet, emotional, and funny”

Clon/@Clon_Barsti
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-Clon mentioned in his application to join the SH that he wanted to practice drawing dynamic poses, action poses, and men, as well as saying the experience forced him to relearn how he does certain things.
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-Celtic mentions that Clon did a great job capturing the frantic energy of the fight.
-Celtic says “I overdid it” was the motto of the Sketchy Huntsmen for this volume.

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-Clon’s process for reference was to set up 3D models on his phone (he doesn’t remember the app)
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-Celtic says Sun is Andreas in this shot.
-The explosion was the first one Clon drew.
-According to Clon, the hardest part was the shadow clones.
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-Clon mentions almost forgetting to draw Sun’s tail in his shots. And Celtic says that forgetting to draw Sun’s tail happened a lot. Clon had a sticky note by his computer that translates from Spanish to, “the tail, dumbass”.

Iliac/@iliac_createvin
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-Iliac says he did seven times the number of images he did for V4.
-The simple background is because of the focus on the characters
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-Celtic mentions Iliac nailed the exhaustion
-Iliac didn’t like drawing Sage because he didn’t know what Sage would do.
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-Originally, it was meant to be daytime where Neptune is, but Iliac decided night would be more interesting.

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-Part of the reason for the pillars was to establish consistency for where everyone was.

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-Iliac wanted to stop before he went too crazy with the scenes, but he failed, hence how he did so many.
-the idea for the interrogation scene was to do a shot/reverse shot in order to get reactions, adding that “Dramatic Blake is Best Blake”.
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-Celtic likes this depiction of a White Fang Blake, and he likes the “what if?” stuff.
-Iliac has a lot of what if art on his Twitter.
-Iliac had a lot of fun designing the White Fang artist, and that he added more black and red to her V2 alternate outfit.
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Iliac mentioned it’d be funny to draw the burning mansion, until he realized he’d have to draw a house on fire, so he went simple. He liked drawing Blake’s expression.
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-Iliac thought it’d be fun to reference Blake’s character short to show how once they were friends and now they’re on opposite sides of the law.
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-this was originally going to have red lighting, but feedback led to using yellow.
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-One of the SH mentions screaming when this came up during the preview stream.

-Celtic says splitting the screen with the sword was “a unique touch”
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-Iliac wanted to have a moment where she pulls out her cane sword, and thought it’d be cool to have her look through the mask she finds. Celtic calls it a “really clever” shot.
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-Many of the Sketchy Huntsmen hate drawing Haven Academy
-Iliac thought it’d be fun to have an extreme close up of Hazel.
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Hazel going after Roman was Iliac’s favorite moment to depict.
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-The scene simply called for Hazel to slam Roman into the pillar.
-Illiac doesn’t recall how Hazel’s glowing eyes look in the main show, but the idea to have solid yellow eyes was to make Hazel look “inhuman”.

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-this pose was inspired by Cooler punching Goku in the gut.
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-Iliac had fun drawing Sad Jaune, with Celtic adding “the more Jaune can be miserable, the happier we are”.

Yuri Hunter/@griouk
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Yuri likes the imagery that’s associated with machinery coming out of the water.
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This was the first art Yuri did for the project. In the beta phase there was a “For Lease” sign on the second floor.
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Yuri called this an experiment in under lighting and “fun lighting”
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Celtic calls this his favorite of Yuri‘s art in the volume, while Yuri calls this a “magnum opus”. The yellow lights are there to show how dense things are the higher you go.
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This is the result of Yuri brainstorming with another artist over what the Branwen tribe’s vehicles would be.
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The idea for this came from a samurai on horseback, but adapted for a motorcycle.
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Yuri calls this one of the most unique designs he came up with for this volume.

NetLady/@LadyAnimeNet
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-Celtic mentions a lot of female artists bonded over drawing Hazel, and he loves the facial expressions.
-Lady says that when it came to drawing Hazel, her mind went “this is my time”.
-Lady gave Cinder lipstick to make her look older, and Celtic wonders why the show doesn’t give Cinder lipstick.
-the background is described as “cruddy”.
-the poses were made so Hazel was in focus, Adam looked pissed, and Cinder had a feeling of “whatever”.
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-This started off as modeling done by Celtic, and Lady finished this scene (done as fanart) in a day. She just wanted to see Cinder stabbed. And it led to Lady being brought on after she felt she wouldn’t due to juggling multiple other projects.

Mika/@Mika0Wind
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-Mika’s not much of a drawer of vehicles and she could only find two good reference images on Google for Yang’s bike.
-Mika likes Yang’s parasol, but hates drawing it.
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-Mika found it fun to get everyone’s expressions in this scene (personal note: I DESPISE Weiss’s side ponytail thing. I think it looks fucking stupid.)
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-Mika had planned to have this be an overhead, but decided against it once she realized she had an issue in controlling herself when it came to detailing characters, leading her to cut down on the number of characters.
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-to Celtic, this scene represents the two being casual with each other before the reality of the situation sinks in. Mika finds this funny.
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Reading the script, Mika wanted it to be where the two would be reserved and closed off, which would be highlighted by body language.

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Mika wanted the lighting to set the mood, with sunlight hitting Yang and Vernal going away from it, representing the path she’s going down.
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The left panel is the best Mika could get Vernal’s mask, and Mika talks about wanting to murder her computer.
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Mika says that she hopes she got what she wanted to get across through body language successfully, namely Yang‘s suspicion and not going to heed Vernal’s warning.

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Weiss and Nora feature mainly because Mika wanted to draw Nora, and Celtic likes how the latter half of the volume has more character combinations that aren’t usually featured.
-the hardest part of the scene was the table and the chair.

Peri/@PeriPeriDoritos
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-Celtic mentions Peri having the best expressions, including the best emoji to come out of Fixing RWBY
-Peri mentions tracing over Yang’s bike, which is why it looks the same.
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-The one on the left is Peru’s OC, a corgi Faunus.

-This scene was purely line-art and being colored.

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The faces from this scene are a reference to One Punch Man.
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-OC appears again
-Peri did both backgrounds and lighting for characters.
-The glow in Adam’s mask came from V4. SH thinks it looks nice and makes Adam look menacing.
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-Peri wanted to do more with this, but real life things got in the way.
-Ilia’s arms stretched is meant to give the impression of her being cuffed. Celtic likes the idea of Ilia struggling against her own arm.

Sino/@SinoBice

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-This is the first shot of Blake’s new outfit. Celtic thinks it was done justice.
-Sino wishes he could have better applied the burn marks on the walls and floor.
-Sino says he had a lot of fun drawing Kali.
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-Sino wanted to get the expressiveness of Sun right. Celtic mentions that he got Sun’s seriousness down. Celtic mentions that Sun would give a fair appraisal of the outfit, but his words make him sound like a pervert, even if he isn’t. The idea is that his earnestness gets him into trouble.
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-SH calls this another “Blake face”
-Sino calls Sun’s smile “Goku Like”
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-Celtic calls Kali’s expression “I should be embarrassed, but I’m really flattered.”
-Sino had to go back to V2 to see how Sun’s clones looked.
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-Sino had a lot of fun with this scene, and Celtic loves Raven’s look.
-Sino’s idea for the scene was to have it look like the heroes going off to do their thing, but the villains are coming in to wreck shit.

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-Sino wanted to mirror the first shot and paint it as Lionheart exchanging one threat (Cinder and Salem) for another (Ruby and the heroes).

-Celtic mentions redoing the hall because the podium Lionheart is on makes no sense.

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-The mini gun sheathe was Sino’s idea from the writing process, and it was meant to be drawn by someone else.
-Sino referenced Berserk for Raven’s face.
-Sino wanted this scene to look epic.
-Celtic says the sheathe mini gun design of shooting blades feels like how “old RWBY” would design Raven’s weapon.

Saria/@sariahoward
-This was Saria’s first assignment
-Celtic calls this the emotional climax for Vernal as opposed to the scene between Shiloh and Raven or the burial scene. He calls this scene the moment to cry and the burial the moment to say goodbye.
-Celtic mentions that there were lines that were cut due to not fitting, along with his narration being omitted due to the SH convincing him to cut it. The line is Ruby/Vernal crying over a scratch, saying “I got pebble d Webble”, meaning pebble debris got into it.
-Mupa made a comment where Vernal would have the flashback over “the sister she could have had and never had”.
-Celtic mentions putting the camera turnaround on the script. He also mentions that Saria took his idea and “Johnny Cash Hurt” it, taking his idea, and making it much better.
-In Celtic’s note, he mentioned he wanted the scene to “hurt” and “make them cry”.
-Weiss’s reaction was changed from the first go round to be stronger and more pronounced since Weiss had spent some of the most time with Vernal, though the scene focuses on Yang since a Weiss focus wouldn’t fit.
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Peri, Sino, and Saria/The PS2 collab
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-the idea for Sino was to do a sunset with flat colors, mainly because he didn’t know how much time he’d have to do this scene with respect to the deadline.

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-The reason for a bandit in the background is to get reaction to what’s happening.
-The blur created a lot of issues.
-Shiloh didn’t connect the dots, and when he did, his reaction was “oh shit, I hit on the boss’s daughter”
-Celtic mentions how people said Shiloh was a creep and they can’t believe he married Raven, and his response was “they’re bandits, they don’t really have marriage per se”. and Raven’s reaction would be “what’s marriage? Is that a type of cart? Can you eat it?”
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-Neo stealing band-aids was in the script.
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Weiss’ choker was forgotten in the line art.
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-Vernal is said to look like tatsumaki.
-the shading and lighting was done to make the scene more ominous

ModdedJoker/@ModdedJoker
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-All the artists were for overhauling the locales in Mistral.
-Modded wanted to do more, but he lost seven hours of work after a crash, and he wasn’t proud of his first draft, so he focused solely on this piece.
-Modded says that a piece like this can amount to 180-200 layers, which could have caused a crash.
Coffee/@mixed_coffee
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-Mupa did the background , and Coffee suggested the mug.
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-Following feedback from V4, Coffee decided to learn/work on perspective.
-The detailed background came from a desire to not bore the audience while there was a lot of information being doled out.
-Coffee was going for a visual novel.
-Much was changed from the first draft after the script came out and Coffee was assigned this scene in particular.
-there’s at least three bottles of alcohol in this picture. One of them is the bottle from the end of V4.
-Coffee says Raven is usually a wine drunk, but when shit gets hard, she breaks out the whiskey.
-According to Celtic, they split one Karen, and Kali got the Live Laugh Love thing, while Raven got the wine mom drunk.
-The two bows belong to Raven (top one used for hunting) and Vernal (bottom one that she used when learning).
-The map is meant to show where the tribe is in relation to Mistral.
-For the 3D models, each character has 35 expressions, and Coffee edited to match lighting and tweak expressions.

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-Coffee did the background on this one.
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- This was done shortly after Vernal’s design was finalized and before writing was finished. Coffee’s first design of the volume. This inspired Celtic to write this scene for Vernal.
-After finishing, Coffee felt Vernal didn’t look “dead enough”, so she darkened the bags under her eyes to make Vernal look like a tired girl finally getting some rest, adding “this poor little girl”.
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This was sketched out early on. Coffee wanted each girl to have a unique expression, while she wanted Weiss to look really choked up.
-To Coffee, Blake is sad at the situation but doesn’t know much else, Weiss is choked up since she knew Vernal the best, Yang is upset and lamenting what could have been with Vernal, and Ruby is sad because her friends are sad.

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This shot was done rather late in the game.

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-this was another scene where development predated the script. Celtic wrote the scene as being on another island, but Coffee was dedicated to having it under the tree.
-the toughest part was the pillars and the stairs.
-the Lillies of the valley represent future happiness, and Coffee wanted them at Vernal’s tomb for the irony.
-Coffee made a point of making Vernal’s last scene look good.
-Celtic mentions a headcanon of Shiloh coming back to this island to rest and reflect whole sitting on the rocks, probably talking about Vernal or Raven, without realizing he’s at his daughter’s grave. Celtic and company call it “heartbreaking”.
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-Coffee was the main force for including the onsen, especially after discovering the SH weren’t serious about including it after she assumed it would be featured.
-The onsen came about as a matter of worldbuilding and showing off more of Mistral since many of Mistral’s influences (East Asia, Greeks, and Romans) all have cultures of bathing and hot springs, as well as being a neat setting.
-Celtic felt the onsen would be a better place for the heart to heart between Yang and Weiss, since the characters would be exposing themselves emotionally in addition to actually exposing themselves (though that was done tastefully)
-The name “Onsen Onsen Onsen” came from Coffee and the SH chanting it while advocating for it to be added.
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-Coffee’s idea was to show Yang being in a state of contemplation after losing Vernal, along with not having completely forgiven Blake, but is willing to bury the hatchet. Celtic’s words were: “I lost somebody that could have been important to me. I don’t want to lose somebody that was important to me and I want to be important to me.”
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-the onsen scenes were meant to parallel the coffee scene in the main show, where Yang’s anger toward Blake ruined what could have been a nice moment with Weiss and Ruby, but in a more interesting setting.
-Coffee says Yang is willing to open up a little bit for the journey ahead.

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-There was a White Rose scene and joke that was cut out due to the episode focusing on Yang.

Mint/@TheMint99491572
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-Mint doesn’t like how Sun’s hair turned out, and he’s working on his weakness in backgrounds.
-Celtic calls Mint the “go-to Blake guy” for when there needs to be a Blake scene.
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-Mint says he tends to do “expressive faces”.
-Celtic says this isn’t a Black Sun moment. He also says that Ruby/Roman won’t happen in regards to what ships will happen and how FRWBY will adapt certain shipping aspects.
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-Mint says he likes drawing Blake and Sun, mostly because he likes Sun as a character, and he mostly appears with Blake.

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-Mint made this scene to show Kali and Ghira being in a loving, stable relationship, something Celtic says isn’t prevalent in RWBY, and he loves Kali and Ghira for their relationship. Mint and Celtic say “we need more stable people”.
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-Celtic says Mint has a great way of conveying info through still images, and in a quick time frame to boot, which led to him shooting down Mint wanting to animate a whole episode (in regards to the seven second animation of Adam taking out his sword and hitting a wall beside Blake’s head)
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-Mint calls this his favorite Blake face of the volume. Celtic likes the intensity.
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-Mint calls this his favorite drawing of Raven.
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-Mint likes this one. He says seeing Adam’s eye is to show some humanity and have you empathize with him.

Floof/@alterfloof
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Floof wanted to animate the hallway scene, but he didn’t have the time or patience. Also, the background is recycled.
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-This looping animation took Floof three weeks to make.
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-the un colored sketch was done by Floof in a day.
-the dog’s head is an Easter egg to the 2015 project RWBY Over The Seas, meant to be a cartoon Ruby loved as a child.
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-these are the sewers of Mistral, and Floof says they couldn’t find a way to fit it into the volume.
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-According to Celtic and Floof, the aqueducts are nicer and newer the higher in Mistral you are. Lower parts have older infrastructure.
-Celtic says there was a plan to have a chase through Mistral, but it wasn’t in the cards to work out. He added that the only character they could think of having a chase scene with was Raven…who can teleport.

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-A comparison of canon Mistral vs FRWBY’s Mistral.
-Floof wanted to make Mistral structurally stable. There were also airship pads put in to get up the mountain without walking.
-Celtic says Floof made Mistral feel like an actual city.
-Floof also wanted to give Mistral a distinct look, citing Beacon Tower as an example.
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This is something Floof did while working at McDonald’s. He describes the process as “man the drive thru, take order, add a few lines in the time between taking order and car reaching window”. This sketch is on a McDonald’s receipt.
-This agricultural district is based on the western part of the state of Washington that Floof visited the previous summer.
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This is a front view of Mistral that Floof also did at McDonald’s, but done on regular paper he brought in.
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An ocean view of Mistral.
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-This is scribbled in a single day.
-Floof based the design on the Seattle Science Center. He wanted to mimic the walkway that’s over the water.
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The telescope binoculars are a reference to Fatmanfalling’s V5 review, where he complained about its omission in the scene where the heroes look at the skyline.
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-This is a pencil sketch that Floof colored and added effects to.
-Floof says Watts’s mustache is a Batarang.
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-This was a pen sketch on a McDonald’s receipt colored black after being scanned in.
-all the effects, save for one lens effect, was drawn by Floof.
-The same cloud was used six times. The mountains were copy pasted twice.

-Celtic, Butterfly, and Mupa are the three people that finalize character designs, with the latter two having dedicated roles in the Sketchy Huntsmen for character design. Outside of that, artists have a lot of freedom for things like background characters , environments, and scenes.

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These were scenes that were meant to replace what Celtic calls “his stick figure animation”

-Celtic says Floof “carried” episode 19.

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Floof calls Ghira hard to draw and he doesn’t like his armor. But Floof also says he’s fun to draw since he and Kali aren’t overly detailed, but he had more fun drawing Kali.

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-Floof says there’s more detail in this than needed.
-The other buildings are there to make The Chop Shop not feel isolated.
-Floof says the roof was fun to draw.
-Floof re-enacted Blake’s pose to get an idea on how to draw her.

I tried my best to get the things that I found interesting and what I thought others would find interesting. However, after a while, the people on this stream can really drone and wear on ya. And I think podcasts have more focus. Also, when all that’s on the screen is just some art stills, the lack of interesting visuals starts to grate. What I’m trying to say is that this was a process, and I think I got everything I wanted to get down in the spoiler. But again, the stream’s descriptions have timestamps for all the artists featured. I’d add another line to end this l, maybe a quip, but I just wanna be done with this shit.
 

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Thanks for the dump as always and good God, as an art sperg these illustrations are giving me a brain hemorrhage. The only one whose art skills that impressed me and really the only saving grace of the Sketchy Huntsmen, was the guy who made the architecture. tearing these elaborated plot points bit by bit will take me a while because holy hell this spergery is a LOT to take in even in summarized form.

Oh and as a side note; some of the attachments are broken or won't show at all.
 
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