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[AltisticRight]

Yes but people like Gage claiming they are now "Third position fascists not Nazis" are far-right white nationalists and neo-Nazis. Most people are going to be skeptical of a neo-Nazi for 10 years, suddenly claiming they've given up Nazism for a different form of fascism...

This was Angelo John Gage in 2017: "Make Whites Great Again"

https://www.bitchute.com/video/DSCZtgwwkB9b/

People change, you know? How are you measuring far right? Economically far right? Most wignats don't fall under that. If you're talking about extreme authoritarianism, that's the default of a fascist but it also makes Stalinists and Maoists "far right", this categorisation is gay and outdated, you should stop using it.

Maybe they realised Nazism is a dead ideology, extremely unoptical, doesn't really help to advance White nationalism because Hitler wasn't a White nationalist, they were a bunch of spiritual paganist spergs and did incomprehensible shit. Look, the same goes with modern commies too, most would like to distance themselves from Stalin, Mao and Lenin, or collectively "Tankies", and instead take the "ancom" label.

If they swung from Nazism to say ancom or even centrist, sure, be sceptical. Going from an overt Nazi to a left/right leaning fascist isn't a huge step, it's like a centrist becoming a liberal or a conservative.

 

[Rekkington]

I'm saying the rebranding and (slight) moderation is cosmetic, not sincere. In the 1980s the neo-Nazi political group National Front in UK did the same thing - realizing they did terrible in elections because they were literally neo-Nazis and skinheads and had a terrible public image very few people would vote for them - they formed the Political Soldiers (this later became the International Third Position). The Political Soldiers (& ITP) did exactly what Angelo John Gage's Third Position group are now doing. There's nothing unique or new about these neo-Nazi idiots trying to rebrand themselves for better PR and to seem more palatable to voters.

Yes, you have detailed many cases where people purposefully and widely distanced themselves from Neo-Nazi rhetoric, behavior, branding, and stated beliefs. I am challenging your assertion that it is all some sneaky disguise. Saying "X used to be Y" doesn't really mean anything, there's former Communists who become Socialists, it doesn't mean they are secretly USSR agents with a wardrobe change. Your position just comes off as paranoia locked in an early 20th century dialectic which has, ironically, evolved past you. "This reminds me of Nazis" doesn't hold a lot of sway, even with the Left; it's more of what boomer Democrats actually believe.

 

[Trollpedia]

People change, you know? How are you measuring far right? Economically far right? Most wignats don't fall under that. If you're talking about extreme authoritarianism, that's the default of a fascist but it also makes Stalinists and Maoists "far right", this categorisation is gay and outdated, you should stop using it.

Maybe they realised Nazism is a dead ideology, extremely unoptical, doesn't really help to advance White nationalism because Hitler wasn't a White nationalist, they were a bunch of spiritual paganist spergs and did incomprehensible shit. Look, the same goes with modern commies too, most would like to distance themselves from Stalin, Mao and Lenin, or collectively "Tankies", and instead take the "ancom" label.

If they swung from Nazism to say ancom or even centrist, sure, be sceptical. Going from an overt Nazi to a left/right leaning fascist isn't a huge step, it's like a centrist becoming a liberal or a conservative.

I'd define 'far-right' as ideological nativism (= xenophobic/racist nationalism), so typically anti-immigration with authoritarian tendencies. American Third Position fits this label when reading their political platform.

I'd define 'extreme-right' as similar to the far-right ideologically but with violence and explicit anti-democracy, so totalitarianism. Most far-right groups are authoritarian but participate peacefully in democratic elections, so the extreme-right label only really applies to terrorist and paramilitary groups. There are however some far-right groups that have participated in elections but use violence like Golden Dawn, so they would be extreme-right.

The ATP doesn't openly promote violence, OK, but Gage has promoted a lot of violent threats in his videos and old tweets - regularly calling for political opponents to be executed. He seems unhinged and has admitted to having various mental health problems.

Gage has claimed he "cannot wait" to stand as a candidate for the ATP - if he does he will get like <1% of the vote like white supremacist Nathan Larson did. The idea people are going to vote en masse for a virulent anti-Semite and open fascist with a history in white nationalist and neo-Nazi groups - is totally delusional. Too much baggage. This is similarly, why the far-right political group Patriotic Alternative will fail at the ballot box, it's led by neo-Nazi Mark Collett.