Ryukishi07 megathread - Currently Higurashi Gou/Sotsu griefing

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Since it comes out fairly regularly in anime/manga discussion, and it also starts with Visual Novels we might as well have a Ryukishi07 thread. Base rules are that only very recent releases get spoilered (so basically Gou as of me writing this). So if you didn't read any of the visual novels/manga then you should better do it.

For those who only heard about it in passing, Ryukishi07 is the guy who's responsible for When They Cry series and some other spinoffs, pretty much all of them are recommended. I'll may add short descriptions of the different games later, but it's hard to do it without spoilering. It's basically all horror/mystery except Rose Guns Days which is alternate History with gang drama and politics.

Edit: Fuck it, I'll make more of an effort posting. Ryukishi07's more talked about posts are (partial spoilers for the first episodes of each game):

Higurashi When They Cry
The Visual Novel follows a group of friends in a rural town and their repeating cycle of madness and death that is caused in part by the village's history. Every episode in the Visual Novel is an iteration where small changes create wildly different outcomes, and slowly the reader learns about the village, it's people and what's causing everything. It's overall great for its disturbing events and creepy tone it has. The Visual Novel spawned a two season anime (first season is average, the second is better recieved) with brutal violence that probably got a lot of people here following the anime. Currently has an alternate universe(?) story that, from other farmers here, is a complete trainwreck.

Spoiler: Spoiler example

Umineko When They Cry
The Visual Novel has a very wealthy family gathering in an abandoned island to discuss their current affairs, specifically the sickly family patriarch whose massive fortune can help the various family members with their failing businesses, and the patriarch's riddle which is rumoured to lead to a massive fortune hidden in the island. Obviously it doesn't take long for bodies to hit the floor without a clear culprit in sight. In the following episodes we see different iterations of the events on the islands with new characters joining the investigation and revelations about the truth of what happened on that islands. There's a lot of discussions about the subjects of truth and reality and it's overall recommended. There is an anime about the first half of the show which isn't very recommended but has an.... interesting ending song:

Higanbana No Saku Yoru Ni
A Visual Novel about youkai in a japanese school. More straightforward than the previous works since there is no time loop and it is more of a horror anthology. It's overall good and discusses the ideas of how schools and education are structured to give children a taste of social life, with the various dangers that result. The visual novel still has disturbing moments despite the more local tone of a single school, but some episodes are legit heart warming. Also has one story end with a psycho kid who enjoys killing rabbits get turned into one to be fucked until he dies.

Rose Guns Days
Probably the most standard work here. Rose Guns Days is a Visual Novel set in alternate history where Japan gets wrecked by an earthquake mid world war, leading to its early surrender and occupance by Chinese and American forces who try to hog all the power. The story follows a brothel that tries to protect itself from the Mafia trying to take over it, but the scope expands later on (only to shrink back again and rise afterwards). It's fucking awesome with great action scenes (with "gameplay" that gets the point across) and it isn't aftaid to kick you in the balls, especially later on.

Ciconia When They Cry
The newest game, with only one chapter available. The plot is set after WW3, where the world barely hangs on through the use of technology to keep pretty much everything in the environment working. There are no real countries and instead nation blocs a' la 1984 who are somewhat at peace. The plot follows a group of teenagers from different country blocs who are the new users of what is essentially super power armour. They teenagers vow to keep the peace, but stronger forces want to bring it to a swift end. Hopefully will have its second episode soon so we'll know what the fucking plot is.

 

[Bookmark Cuck]

Dunno what that is but you made a shitty OP and should kill yourself.

 

[Megaroad 2012]

Fiance made me watch the new Higarashi and I found it unbearable. 2000's edgelord fest.

 

[HexFag]

Cool OP now that it has been edited, I do propose that the spoiler rule applies for both Higanbana and Rose Guns Days, as not many people (including me) have read them yet.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I'm a lazy fuck so I'm only halfway through the "Massacre" sound novel when I was hoping I'd be ready to read Umineko by the spring. I need to rectify that. Reading the manga probably would've taken me less time, but those omnibuses are big boys. Takes me a good couple of hours to read half of one omnibus volume. Seriously cannot be read in one sitting, but I feel like I have to read each volume in one sitting lest I don't go back to it.

Here, for those not in the know, lemme stack up my Higurashi and Umineko manga volumes. Lookit this.

Ain't nobody got time to read all dat.

Anyway Higurashi Gou? More like Higurashi Gomi. *spits*

 

[HexFag]

Anyway Higurashi Gou? More like Higurashi Gomi. *spits*

Speaking of Gou, the preview images dropped.

Spoiler: Gou Episode 21 Preview Images

I wonder if we'll get a Featherine namedrop or she will just simply be referred to as "Oyashiro-sama". Odds are probably the latter since I doubt R07 wants to go that deep into Umineko.

In other news, R07 had recently did an interview revolving around Gou where he gave some insight about where the last couple of episodes of the series is going. He also said that some of the statements that he has said during the interview would be lies. I'd post a translated interview, but the original twitter account that had translated they deleted it for some reason. Luckily, somebody on the /jp/ board as well as another twitter account had posted most of the important bits so all isn't lost completely.

Spoiler: /jp/ thread interview notes

This video also makes me wonder if Gou could have done better in a VN form or if it was just fucked from Go(u). Hopefully Passione will at least do a Higurashi Kira-like OVA at the end of all of this.

 

[MoffAlbert]

Just recently rewatched the old Higurashi anime, I thought it held up pretty well (Disgusting DEEN visuals aside). Maybe it's just nostalgia talking, I watched the first season Higurashi in my teenage years, originally. I've attempted to get into the Visual Novel, but I can't get into it even with the enhanced Playstation illustrations and voice acting.

As for Umineko, I watched the anime back when it first came out. Once again, crap visuals aside, I enjoyed it quite a bit. I've tried recently to read the VN, but just like Higurashi's, I couldn't get into it.

Maybe something about the VN format doesn't appeal to me, might have an easier time reading the manga adaptions of each.

Also, obligatory:

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

I'll reply over here so as not to clutter up the other thread.

It took me a while, but I remembered how I interpreted Umineko's ending (at least I think it how I did, it's been a decade since I played the last game).

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Basically the whole setup is a black box that you cannot know what happened in. Only that multiple people got in and only one got out. Trying to figure out who did it is like trying to find out who is the murderer in the meta of the boardgame Clue, and like Clue, every episode is just a different game where the murders, murder weapon and murderer are redrawn. It's still a pretty sucky conclusion to a mystery game though.

The idea that Battler and his parents did it is just a likely possiblity that is entirely based on their shady background rather than actual facts and is based on basic bitch logic from things we knew already in the first episode. Like everything else it is an impossible to prove possibility.

Angie's plot in the last game is basically her letting go from the past. Every person involved is dead and she is wasting her life trying to solve an impossible mystery. She'll have a final good memory from the final party and that will be the end of that.

I took Shannon and Kannon being the same person as an open secret Battler was the only person in the dark about (unless I'm forgetting and Battler had meaningful interactions with both servants in the first episode, which means that they do go with a weird personality change all the time).

Spoiler: Umineko Spoilers

I agree on the middle points, and kinda on the first. It is a sucky way to end a mystery and it's why I'll insist that Umineko isn't actually one. You have to open the cat box at the end of the story, but I think the real reason why Ryukishi didn't is that the box was empty. He and BT never worked out what actually happened and without BT Ryukishi can't write a convincing mystery. That's why the hard shift after 5 to the Metaverse and the focus on Beato/Yasu. The whole Yasu is a boy thing is I just think Ryukishi's burning need to shock and be transgressive. I'll always maintain that the story logic makes more sense if Yasu is a girl, or else Genji is a fucking moron.

Shkannon was only known to a handful of the most trusted servants. Pretty much Genji and the old lady. No one else knew. Its a bit of a hard sell because I swear there are scenes where Kannon and Shannon are either stated to be the same room or stated to be in two places at once. Ryukishi hand waves that by saying that only the scenes personally witnessed by the detective, Battler mostly, can be completely trusted and only really Ep 1 and 2, since those were the two he wrote. But since he doesn't have to actually work out the real events, he can hand wave any inconsistency away by simply saying it wasn't what really happened, the writer wasn't there, or Battler was just covering for Yasu. From a mystery perspective, you can't do that shit. It's tantamount to lying to your reader. It was also the Tumblr theory, mainly because they wanted Battler buttfucking Kannon, not because it was logically reached.

Basically, he had to leave the ending a closed box, because otherwise he actually has to explain how Shkannon works as a piece and he doesn't want to do that, I'm convinced it's because he doesn't know how. Like he wrote himself into a corner and he'll just catbox it away.

Gou being something like a trainwreck doesn't exactly convince me other wise.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

In other news, R07 had recently did an interview revolving around Gou where he gave some insight about where the last couple of episodes of the series is going. He also said that some of the statements that he has said during the interview would be lies.

Giving half-truths in an interview just to fuck with your audience is disingenuous and is not as clever as one might think. His fans are rather exceptional and they go through everything he says and does with a fine-toothed comb, but giving outright lies while saying "Yeah some of what I've just said are lies lol" is some real fucking pretentious "I are so smart" shit.

It's not going to make Gou any better, Ryukishi. You've fucked up, but the director may have fucked things up further and you need to make amends. Apparently the manga is handling it better than the anime, but that might make Gou tolerable at best.

 

[HexFag]

Spoiler: Higurashi Gou EP 21

hahahahaahahahah god that ending was really stupid hahahahahahahahaaha

Like, I saw it coming, but holy shit the way it went right into the new ED had me rolling. It was too damn jarring and stupid that I refuse to believe that they both died in such a fashion.

not-Featherine dropping some Ciconia and Umineko references is interesting, especially considering that Ciconia takes place about 100+ years after the events of Umineko and Higurashi. However, I can see how it all makes sense with Ciconia based on what little we have been given in the VN, so I'll give it a pass. I guess this does confirm that Satoko is Lambda's piece though. I do wonder who this Mitsuyo person is, though. There are people saying that the desert-like area looks like the glass sea from Ciconia, but that feels like a stretch.

Something that baffles me is why Satoko didn't just decide to study and apply herself in order to do better in St. Lucia if she had the ability to loop during this time span instead of trying to sabotage her. She even had prior knoweldge so she totally could've just cheated in order to be with Rika. To me, it just seems like Satoko is still looping because she's lazy as hell and lacks the guts to be honest with Rika, which to be fair, was a trait she had shown in Minagoroshi.

But more importantly, where in God's name is Satoshi?

 

[I can't imagine]

While it's been a long time, I remember quite enjoying both Higurashi and Umineko. Umineko to the point of staying up stupidly late to finish the last two chapters. His concepts are very compelling, even if the execution does tend to get a little goofy by the end, and it's pretty obvious by the time he got to the end of Umineko he really didn't know how to get to a satisfactory conclusion. I didn't really mind the ending of Umineko as much as some other people did, but I definitely doubt that was what he planned when he started. That said, the message boards at the time that were freaking out over him "not following the rules" of detective stories did make for some funny reading, so if it was really just a troll, well played to the man.

Weird side project he did that didn't get mentioned in OP: he wrote the route for Lucia in the Key visual novel Rewrite. Needless to say, it's a bit of an odd choice given his prior work at the time, though I suppose since Key is pretty known to have supernatural elements in their stories it isn't completely out there. It's not bad or anything; I actually kinda like it, but it's pretty much what you'd expect from Ryukishi07 writing a route for a nakige, which is to say that the romance is a bit...ham-fisted, I guess?

 

[Kari Kamiya]

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Something that baffles me is why Satoko didn't just decide to study and apply herself in order to do better in St. Lucia if she had the ability to loop during this time span instead of trying to sabotage her. She even had prior knoweldge so she totally could've just cheated in order to be with Rika. To me, it just seems like Satoko is still looping because she's lazy as hell and lacks the guts to be honest with Rika, which to be fair, was a trait she had shown in Minagoroshi.

Finally got to watch it after a few days of the Internet being shit. But lol I feel like I wasn't missing out on much.

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Satoko's being a literal brat, like we're supposed to feel sorry for her at this point? Nuh uh, this feels like Ryukishi spitting on the happy ending of Higurashi because no one can have nice things, apparently. Satoko's able to open up, and she managed to when she looped and expressed her thoughts. Rika of course was happy she gave her thoughts (which was all anyone really wanted), but then we had to take Rika's word for it (since the anime is so poorly paced) that Satoko shunned her away despite their promise.

This is all Satoko's fault, no Hinamizawa Syndrome to argue she's out of her mind, but she doesn't want to take the blame for being selfish. Character assassination a'hoy!

But yeah, where is Satoshi? I think they gave a weak answer ages ago that he's too terminal to really save, so he has to be in a perpetual coma I suppose. Never mind that Satoko was able to come down from Level 5 to Level 3 through medication, Satoshi can't come back. No explanation for why, either, it's just super convenient that way. Maybe if we had more instances of medical gobblygook maybe one, no matter how lame, could be shat out.

Like here, lemme have a shot at why Satoshi can't come out of Level 5.

His brain's more developed than Satoko's, and so his chemical imbalance has been completely fucked with by Hinamizawa Syndrone. Irie wants to study the brain for a living, shouldn't he have to take into account that an adult brain (yes, brains aren't fully developed until 25 but work with me here) is going to be more complex than a child's brain in terms of treatment? Satoko is still young that as she got older (puberty, basically) and had been taking the medication as well as living a relatively-stress-free life, HS was able to be cured over time as the brain developed. Satoshi was about 16 when he hit Level 5, but he was also stressed out for years prior, so he's pretty fucked in the head.

"But Kari," I hear you say, "what about Keiichi and Rena? They're about the same age as Satoshi was the year prior, and they've hit or were close to hitting level 5 before. In Tsumihoroboshi-hen, Rena was reaching critical mass but actually recovered. How do you explain that?"

If it's not because she's actually a native to Hinamizawa, maybe it's because Rena's a girl. Male and female brains are wired differently upon puberty, after all. Keiichi always dies once he hits Level 5, there was never an exception to this rule, but there probably was never a reason to give him medication as an outsider (unless Irie gives everyone the shot at check-up). But Rena has never been stated to be cured of HS, either, since she was never properly medicated as a child before she snapped in Ibaraki, and returning to Hinamizawa was enough for her symptoms to disappear. Satoko, although an outsider (I think? Was she actually born in Hinamizawa or did they move there after her mom remarried?), was still a child when she was put on the experimental medication, so it helped aid her developing brain into curing HS.

Sounds like a stupid explanation, but it's at least something. It's really baffling no mention of Satoshi was given when Satoko was revealed to be cured, so fuck him, I guess. And I suppose fuck Shion, too, she's honestly done nothing of value in Gou.

TL;DR: Shut the fuck up and turn your brain off because witches and Umineko.

The ED visuals were pretty neat, though. The lead-up to it was stupid, but the panoramic style of it I thought was good.

EDIT: Lol there was a stupid hot take in the MAL forums about WTC fans being disrespectful and ungrateful and the OP got eviscerated. First ten posts to sum it up before it derailed into arguing if Bernkastel and Rika are the same or separate people.

Spoiler

 

[HexFag]

Finally got to watch it after a few days of the Internet being shit. But lol I feel like I wasn't missing out on much.

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Satoko's being a literal brat, like we're supposed to feel sorry for her at this point? Nuh uh, this feels like Ryukishi spitting on the happy ending of Higurashi because no one can have nice things, apparently. Satoko's able to open up, and she managed to when she looped and expressed her thoughts. Rika of course was happy she gave her thoughts (which was all anyone really wanted), but then we had to take Rika's word for it (since the anime is so poorly paced) that Satoko shunned her away despite their promise.

This is all Satoko's fault, no Hinamizawa Syndrome to argue she's out of her mind, but she doesn't want to take the blame for being selfish. Character assassination a'hoy!

But yeah, where is Satoshi? I think they gave a weak answer ages ago that he's too terminal to really save, so he has to be in a perpetual coma I suppose. Never mind that Satoko was able to come down from Level 5 to Level 3 through medication, Satoshi can't come back. No explanation for why, either, it's just super convenient that way. Maybe if we had more instances of medical gobblygook maybe one, no matter how lame, could be shat out.

Like here, lemme have a shot at why Satoshi can't come out of Level 5.

His brain's more developed than Satoko's, and so his chemical imbalance has been completely fucked with by Hinamizawa Syndrone. Irie wants to study the brain for a living, shouldn't he have to take into account that an adult brain (yes, brains aren't fully developed until 25 but work with me here) is going to be more complex than a child's brain in terms of treatment? Satoko is still young that as she got older (puberty, basically) and had been taking the medication as well as living a relatively-stress-free life, HS was able to be cured over time as the brain developed. Satoshi was about 16 when he hit Level 5, but he was also stressed out for years prior, so he's pretty fucked in the head.

"But Kari," I hear you say, "what about Keiichi and Rena? They're about the same age as Satoshi was the year prior, and they've hit or were close to hitting level 5 before. In Tsumihoroboshi-hen, Rena was reaching critical mass but actually recovered. How do you explain that?"

If it's not because she's actually a native to Hinamizawa, maybe it's because Rena's a girl. Male and female brains are wired differently upon puberty, after all. Keiichi always dies once he hits Level 5, there was never an exception to this rule, but there probably was never a reason to give him medication as an outsider (unless Irie gives everyone the shot at check-up). But Rena has never been stated to be cured of HS, either, since she was never properly medicated as a child before she snapped in Ibaraki, and returning to Hinamizawa was enough for her symptoms to disappear. Satoko, although an outsider (I think? Was she actually born in Hinamizawa or did they move there after her mom remarried?), was still a child when she was put on the experimental medication, so it helped aid her developing brain into curing HS.

Sounds like a stupid explanation, but it's at least something. It's really baffling no mention of Satoshi was given when Satoko was revealed to be cured, so fuck him, I guess. And I suppose fuck Shion, too, she's honestly done nothing of value in Gou.

TL;DR: Shut the fuck up and turn your brain off because witches and Umineko.

The ED visuals were pretty neat, though. The lead-up to it was stupid, but the panoramic style of it I thought was good.

The ED visuals are pretty cool but he shot where they show the rest of the gang so far away is pretty disheartening. I do disagree with the statement "Shut the fuck up and turn your brain off because witches and Umineko", though. This may be a hot take, but I find the meta aspects and how everything ties into the WTC universe as a whole to be the most interesting part of Gou. It doesn't save the series, but it's certainty good food for thought for those who have read those respective visual novels. I have a better time theorizing about how everything ties into each other on a meta sense than the actual story that we are being told.

As for the actual show itself, I can kind of sympathize with Satoko if we're given the context that Satoko is completely clueless about the amount of times Rika has looped. Rika's sudden change and newfound conviction to get out of Hinamizawa completely blindsided Satoko and caused her to doubt her friendship. Both Rika and Satoko don't remember Minagoroshi, so Rika never bothered to reach out to Satoko if she was suffering with school and Satoko never bothered to ask for help with schooling either. Its a stretch and still doesn't explain why Satoko didn't just study harder and do more when she was looping, or why she decided to kill Rika in a Final Destination suicide scene over this, but it's something ok.

That being said, I did find this video pretty funny.

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[Kari Kamiya]

I do disagree with the statement "Shut the fuck up and turn your brain off because witches and Umineko", though. This may be a hot take, but I find the meta aspects and how everything ties into the WTC universe as a whole to be the most interesting part of Gou. It doesn't save the series, but it's certainty good food for thought for those who have read those respective visual novels. I have a better time theorizing about how everything ties into each other on a meta sense than the actual story that we are being told.

I have to take people's word for it for the time being, but even Umineko readers were commentating their grievances with how Gou is supposed to fit/lead into Umineko so I'm probably just missing something due to being out of the loop. I think a Bernkastel origin story would be nice, but as it stands, it doesn't make sense as she's already been cast out of Rika as of "Dice-Killing". Although in the thread I linked, a comment mentioned the possibility Gou may be a world where "Dice-Killing" didn't happen, but I haven't seen any clue as to that being the case.

"Festival-Accompanying" is supposed to be the conclusion to Higurashi, like the mainline story, but we had "Miotsukushi-hen" which played out similarly but all the previous events played out at the same time that needed to be resolved, and then Hanyuu dies. Fans like to agree this is the definitive ending. Unless this is supposed to be following the anime-verse (bruh), but then why the fuck didn't Ryukishi go back to DEEN in that case? He really should have just gone back to them and Chiaki Kon instead of another subpar studio with a director being put in charge who had no previous experience of anything thriller/horror.

That being said, I did find this video pretty funny.

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I'm sure I spoiled something for myself with it, but I've been finding myself being recommended strange Umineko meme videos as of late. These two were great:

 

[HexFag]

I'm sure I spoiled something for myself with it, but I've been finding myself being recommended strange Umineko meme videos as of late. These two were great:

When it comes to R07 related shitposts Flo Perfecto is probably the best channel when it comes to it. His stuff is mainly Seacats related, but he does make a genuine effort to have his viewers read his other works such as Higanbana and Rose Guns Days. His editing is also pretty good for these short shitposts. kxshima also makes some good videos, but he has like 5 of them and they're all Seacats related again. His editing is top notch, though.

The guy who made the Umineko version of Steamed Hams is a fucking god and prophet.

Some of my personal favorites from Flo:

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

I have to take people's word for it for the time being, but even Umineko readers were commentating their grievances with how Gou is supposed to fit/lead into Umineko so I'm probably just missing something due to being out of the loop. I think a Bernkastel origin story would be nice, but as it stands, it doesn't make sense as she's already been cast out of Rika as of "Dice-Killing". Although in the thread I linked, a comment mentioned the possibility Gou may be a world where "Dice-Killing" didn't happen, but I haven't seen any clue as to that being the case.

From what it sounds like, it really shouldn't. Lambdadelta was very clearly modelled on Takano, and it sounds like he's trying to shoehorn Satoko into that role? It sounds kinda dumb.

While it's been a long time, I remember quite enjoying both Higurashi and Umineko. Umineko to the point of staying up stupidly late to finish the last two chapters. His concepts are very compelling, even if the execution does tend to get a little goofy by the end, and it's pretty obvious by the time he got to the end of Umineko he really didn't know how to get to a satisfactory conclusion. I didn't really mind the ending of Umineko as much as some other people did, but I definitely doubt that was what he planned when he started. That said, the message boards at the time that were freaking out over him "not following the rules" of detective stories did make for some funny reading, so if it was really just a troll, well played to the man.

As one of the mystery fags, in my case it was more that he spent all kinds of time bring up all kinds of rules and then just shrugs it off with a "Doesn't matter, no one knows." Which is technically true, but massively unsatisfying. Unless he figured the real mystery was over who the Golden Witch really was, but no one really gave a shit and the weirder the culprit got, the less shits I gave.

Also, by not opening the box, he never has to explain how the culprit actually did anything which is awfully convenient.

 

[I can't imagine]

As one of the mystery fags, in my case it was more that he spent all kinds of time bring up all kinds of rules and then just shrugs it off with a "Doesn't matter, no one knows." Which is technically true, but massively unsatisfying. Unless he figured the real mystery was over who the Golden Witch really was, but no one really gave a shit and the weirder the culprit got, the less shits I gave.

Also, by not opening the box, he never has to explain how the culprit actually did anything which is awfully convenient.

That's kinda why I think the ending was really more of a troll than anything. Not that he's terribly subtle in the last part, seeing as he's pretty much openly mocking people who want him to follow the rules and give them what they want. Still, if he wanted to go that route, you're right that making such a big deal about the rules and everything was probably a bit more antagonistic than he needed to be to get his point across. And I can certainly understand someone feeling like an ending that's just sorta like "well, I guess we'll never really know" isn't really adequate after reading 1.3 million words of text. Like I said, I didn't mind it too much, though I'm not going to pretend it was a "good" ending either.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

ttttttttThat's kinda why I think the ending was really more of a troll than anything. Not that he's terribly subtle in the last part, seeing as he's pretty much openly mocking people who want him to follow the rules and give them what they want. Still, if he wanted to go that route, you're right that making such a big deal about the rules and everything was probably a bit more antagonistic than he needed to be to get his point across. And I can certainly understand someone feeling like an ending that's just sorta like "well, I guess we'll never really know" isn't really adequate after reading 1.3 million words of text. Like I said, I didn't mind it too much, though I'm not going to pretend it was a "good" ending either.

The funny thing is, besides a few details about the culprit, I don't really mind most of the ending either. I wonder if some of that was just because he thought things were more obvious and most people weren't buying into the final configuration of the culprit. After all, people insist it's obvious by the end of EP4, but most of the community hadn't bit into it. Except Tumblr, but that wasn't motivated by logic.

Either that or he wrote himself into a corner and catboxed his way out of it.

 

[John Titor]

Man I remember people freaking out over the final Umineko episode, it was almost on par with Game of Thrones.

That said, I'm surprised to see people not liking Passione. I think Gou's art is better on a technical scale, DEEN was only good at atmosphere and composition. I've got mixed feelings about Gou I'm not sure I have time or energy to write out but I always find it more scarier if the gore is obscured.

PS, never forget this classic, it almost got deleted.

 

[HexFag]

Man I remember people freaking out over the final Umineko episode, it was almost on par with Game of Thrones.

That said, I'm surprised to see people not liking Passione. I think Gou's art is better on a technical scale, DEEN was only good at atmosphere and composition. I've got mixed feelings about Gou I'm not sure I have time or energy to write out but I always find it more scarier if the gore is obscured.

PS, never forget this classic, it almost got deleted.

I agree with Passione's art being better than DEEN's but the QUALITY is too much to ignore.

But for those who were around when Umineko was being released initally, what was it like?