Ryukishi07 megathread - Currently Higurashi Gou/Sotsu griefing

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Also I started Higanbana. Is there any mystery here? Because I don't really want to spend hours reading about bullying and molestaton.

I guess the question of who are the 7 secrets of the school is the mystery. But it is mostly social circles and power dynamics at school.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Yeah I never saw the point in ANY Higurashi after the first 8 chapters. Yet new content keeps being made. Higurashi may have a few issues, but it still cleared up all the loose ends. I have no idea why anyone would want more than that. I'm not really a fan of the multiple universe stuff. Higu was fine, and Umineko was fine becuase it was all established as part of the story. Adding stuff now is just pointless and risks fucking things up.

I haven't wathced Gou, but it seems most fans dislike it. It gives me JK Rowling vibes, wher ethe fans just want the author to stop.


Also I started Higanbana. Is there any mystery here? Because I don't really want to spend hours reading about bullying and molestaton.

I don't really even know why the fuck its getting remade. I hate when nice, clean narratives get a 'rework' or 'reimagining' Stop. Just fucking stop. You're not making it better, you're unraveling a completed story for no fucking reason.

Gou was billed as a remake but then the series went 'LOL FUK U ITS ALTERNATE UNIVERSE NEW CONTENT LOLZ' and then proceeded to be a remake for like four or five hours until it eventually went into dumb shit territory. It lied and wasted people's energy and time, so a lot of fans are going to hate it. I mean, you're telling me its new, but its identical for the first few hours. So you're basically forcing me to sit here, watch shit I've already watched, with very minor improvements from the DEEN style to see what this alternate shit is about.

Yeah, people are going to be pissed.

 

[Hoes Mad]

How important is all the gender shit in Ciconia? It's kinda lame lol

 

[Glad I couldn't help]

I'm a lazy fuck so I'm only halfway through the "Massacre" sound novel when I was hoping I'd be ready to read Umineko by the spring. I need to rectify that. Reading the manga probably would've taken me less time, but those omnibuses are big boys. Takes me a good couple of hours to read half of one omnibus volume. Seriously cannot be read in one sitting, but I feel like I have to read each volume in one sitting lest I don't go back to it.

Here, for those not in the know, lemme stack up my Higurashi and Umineko manga volumes. Lookit this.
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Ain't nobody got time to read all dat.

Anyway Higurashi Gou? More like Higurashi Gomi. *spits*

I've only seen YouTube videos going through the visual novel and TVTropes articles on Umineko (it's a very TVTropes kind of work — pretentious anime with lots of details you need to read up to even begin to understand), but that's enough to convince me that the series is Exhibit A on why editors are a good thing. Somebody else needed to go through all those ideas boil it down to something reasonable.

 

[Secret Asshole]

I've only seen YouTube videos going through the visual novel and TVTropes articles on Umineko (it's a very TVTropes kind of work — pretentious anime with lots of details you need to read up to even begin to understand), but that's enough to convince me that the series is Exhibit A on why editors are a good thing. Somebody else needed to go through all those ideas boil it down to something reasonable.

I used to think editors were awful but as I age and consume more narrative sorts of media, the more I realize they're a valuable part of the process. Yes, there can be super shit editors, but a lot of the times you need at least an average one present.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

I've only seen YouTube videos going through the visual novel and TVTropes articles on Umineko (it's a very TVTropes kind of work — pretentious anime with lots of details you need to read up to even begin to understand), but that's enough to convince me that the series is Exhibit A on why editors are a good thing. Somebody else needed to go through all those ideas boil it down to something reasonable.

Ryukishi's friend BT, who died in the middle of them making Chapter 5, was his editor, at least that's how it seemed to me. There was some crazy bullshit in Umineko, but the worst of it started after BT died. It very rapidly fell into less mystery, more metaverse, stupid gender bullshit, and going with fucking Tumblr theories as to who the culprit was. There's a reason why as much as I like Higurashi and enjoyed most of Umineko, I won't give Ryukishi another chance. I'm convinced Ryukishi would fuck up a wet dream or perfect set up just to troll or be transgressive with something stupid.

 

[Erika Furudo]

Ryukishi's friend BT, who died in the middle of them making Chapter 5, was his editor, at least that's how it seemed to me. There was some crazy bullshit in Umineko, but the worst of it started after BT died. It very rapidly fell into less mystery, more metaverse, stupid gender bullshit, and going with fucking Tumblr theories as to who the culprit was. There's a reason why as much as I like Higurashi and enjoyed most of Umineko, I won't give Ryukishi another chance. I'm convinced Ryukishi would fuck up a wet dream or perfect set up just to troll or be transgressive with something stupid.

Yeah 6 was the last good episode, but I can't hate Umineko as a whole just becuase of how great it was when it was running well. Also there is, unfortunately a case to be made that there was foreshadowing about the culprit. But the execution was off, especially with all the meta bullshit and Ange's progression. I could handle demons, I could handle witches. I could handle a girl from the future showing up, they all worked with the setting. But why the fuck did Ryukishi think "Ah yes, I need to include some DBZ fight scenes in the story" where characters literally start teleporting and having their after-images killed. Ryu, dude.

If we are going based on our own theories, I think BT dying pushed R07 to the magic side. If you view the magic side as more of a religious thing and you have the obvious links between Ange and grief, then I can see why he desperately wanted to push people towards the magic side due to his bais. Failing that he could just rely on the catbox bullshit. Just look at how barebones the trick ending is for example. He really, really didn't want people to reject the magic. Also maybe BT would have been a critic who told him not to go with the answer he did, but that's doubtful. I loved Higurashi, but lets not pretend the answer isnt fucing retarded.

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Seriously, undetectable brain parasites AND a godess who can travel back in time. It's a bit much. Thank fuck I just loved the characters. Mion best girl.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

Yeah 6 was the last good episode, but I can't hate Umineko as a whole just becuase of how great it was when it was running well. Also there is, unfortunately a case to be made that there was foreshadowing about the culprit. But the execution was off, especially with all the meta bullshit and Ange's progression. I could handle demons, I could handle witches. I could handle a girl from the future showing up, they all worked with the setting. But why the fuck did Ryukishi think "Ah yes, I need to include some DBZ fight scenes in the story" where characters literally start teleporting and having their after-images killed. Ryu, dude.

If we are going based on our own theories, I think BT dying pushed R07 to the magic side. If you view the magic side as more of a religious thing and you have the obvious links between Ange and grief, then I can see why he desperately wanted to push people towards the magic side due to his bais. Failing that he could just rely on the catbox bullshit. Just look at how barebones the trick ending is for example. He really, really didn't want people to reject the magic. Also maybe BT would have been a critic who told him not to go with the answer he did, but that's doubtful. I loved Higurashi, but lets not pretend the answer isnt fucing retarded.

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Seriously, undetectable brain parasites AND a godess who can travel back in time. It's a bit much. Thank fuck I just loved the characters. Mion best girl.

He's a bit like Kojima, without a moderating influence, you get vocal cord parasites and two week long sniper battles.

 

[Erika Furudo]

He's a bit like Kojima, without a moderating influence, you get vocal cord parasites and two week long sniper battles.

I like R07. Kojima I never liked. I also never forgave Kojima for "Actually I was just pretending to be retarded". I wasn't a huge MGS fan, but why the fuck would you do that, especially right after referencing all previous games in a fight? Kojima unrestrained also gave us Death Stranding, and as bad as episode 7 and 8 were, they weren't Death Stranding.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

I like R07. Kojima I never liked. I also never forgave Kojima for "Actually I was just pretending to be retarded". I wasn't a huge MGS fan, but why the fuck would you do that, especially right after referencing all previous games in a fight? Kojima unrestrained also gave us Death Stranding, and as bad as episode 7 and 8 were, they weren't Death Stranding.

He's not as bad as Kojima, no. He just likes to troll and likes being shocking too much for his own good sometimes. He really doesn't need to connect everything either. I think I preferred not knowing how Bern was connected to both series. And Lambdadelta being Witch Takano. He's getting a bit retcony and that's not usually a good thing.

 

[Erika Furudo]

He's not as bad as Kojima, no. He just likes to troll and likes being shocking too much for his own good sometimes. He really doesn't need to connect everything either. I think I preferred not knowing how Bern was connected to both series. And Lambdadelta being Witch Takano. He's getting a bit retcony and that's not usually a good thing.

Umineko and Higurashi being linked was fine, given Rika did talk about Bernkastel. But anything beyond that is too much.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Umineko and Higurashi being linked was fine, given Rika did talk about Bernkastel. But anything beyond that is too much.

I have a bit more higher tolerance than this, but you don't have to go and explicitly link and explain everything, which I get the feeling is where we're headed. I honestly think Ryukishi caught the cinematic universe virus and over the next few years we may see a new Umineko adaptation tweaked to fit the idea of a hard connected universe along with whatever he does with Cicconia. He really needs to drop price on Cicconia btw. Between that and trying to make an expanded universe for maximum consoomption R07 is really trying to make Shekels When They Cry

 

[Erika Furudo]

I have a bit more higher tolerance than this, but you don't have to go and explicitly link and explain everything, which I get the feeling is where we're headed. I honestly think Ryukishi caught the cinematic universe virus and over the next few years we may see a new Umineko adaptation tweaked to fit the idea of a hard connected universe along with whatever he does with Cicconia. He really needs to drop price on Cicconia btw. Between that and trying to make an expanded universe for maximum consoomption R07 is really trying to make Shekels When They Cry

Spoiler: Saku and manga spoilers

He kinda elluded to having a more conected world with Last Note of the Golden Witch in Saku. It ends with more 4th wall breaking stuff where everyone discusses Umineko and heads off to a party with Featherine, kinda like in Higurashi where the afterpart has everyone discussing the murders. I have no doubt in my mind it will be used to link all the stories together.
All I wanted was a fucking murder mystery novel, but he just keeps adding things. Multiverse shit is almost always cancer.
It doesn't help that him trying to explain things just creates more questions. In the Umineko manga they altered some scenes like Will v Claire, where Will uses red to explain the murders. Only it has multiple people carrying out the murders in the answer, which violates Van Dine's rules. 12. There must be only a single culprit.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Spoiler: Saku and manga spoilers

He kinda elluded to having a more conected world with Last Note of the Golden Witch in Saku. It ends with more 4th wall breaking stuff where everyone discusses Umineko and heads off to a party with Featherine, kinda like in Higurashi where the afterpart has everyone discussing the murders. I have no doubt in my mind it will be used to link all the stories together.
All I wanted was a fucking murder mystery novel, but he just keeps adding things. Multiverse shit is almost always cancer.
It doesn't help that him trying to explain things just creates more questions. In the Umineko manga they altered some scenes like Will v Claire, where Will uses red to explain the murders. Only it has multiple people carrying out the murders in the answer, which violates Van Dine's rules. 12. There must be only a single culprit.

Yeah. Like I said, I'm ok with a loosely connected universe and the Umineko manga changes for the most part. The nature of the Umineko meta world kinda invites that type of stuff. But not everything needs to be some MCU-esque overarching story.

 

[MoffAlbert]

Alright, I've finally started experiencing Umineko the right way and made it over the hours long hump that is the prologue. The music is and sound design absolutely fantastic, and I can see how I'd be missing out if I was doing any other adaptions.

I'm not keeping my hopes high, I know it gets kind of shitty later on, but I'm still on the first chapter, but so far it's better than what I remember of the anime.

 

[Erika Furudo]

Alright, I've finally started experiencing Umineko the right way and made it over the hours long hump that is the prologue. The music is and sound design absolutely fantastic, and I can see how I'd be missing out if I was doing any other adaptions.

I'm not keeping my hopes high, I know it gets kind of shitty later on, but I'm still on the first chapter, but so far it's better than what I remember of the anime.

Voice acting is great too, particularly Jessica's VA in certain scenes.

 

[HexFag]

Alright, I've finally started experiencing Umineko the right way and made it over the hours long hump that is the prologue. The music is and sound design absolutely fantastic, and I can see how I'd be missing out if I was doing any other adaptions.

I'm not keeping my hopes high, I know it gets kind of shitty later on, but I'm still on the first chapter, but so far it's better than what I remember of the anime.

I hope you're using the original potato sprites the way God and R07 intended...

I do recommend using the 07th Mod or the Umineko Project since the original unmodded Mangagamer version cuts or alters some songs and you get the sick voice-acting.

 

[HumanHive]

It’s absolutely hilarious to me that everyone is surprised Gou includes Umineko elements. Either bunch of fucking newfags, or blind deaf hellen kellers who didn’t pay attention to the references the first go round.

 

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Jesus Christ that new episode. Imagine you have a friend who went through a traumatic experience and you decide that because he wants to continue with his life you'll make him relive that experience. Makes you want to:

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[Return of the Freaker]

Jesus Christ that new episode. Imagine you have a friend who went through a traumatic experience and you decide that because he wants to continue with his life you'll make him relive that experience. Makes you want to:

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Was just gonna post about this. Fucking called it. They're butchering Satoko's character to retcon what we know about Lambdadelta and explicitly make Satoko Lambda