Didn't we have a guy swing by a week or two ago who was in the industry and said that even the professionals there hate this little man?
Sam Fennah / FailSafe42 - Atheist furry who dropped out of college; sperged to Bionicle fans about God not existing #SAVEBOB
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Oh, yeah, that's right they did
And yes, I did one for Fleischer on pg 84
I wanted to talk on the side about what you think about the animation tests?
Like, what are your top 3 favourites/best and your top 3 worst? Excluding the old ones, starting at "The Return".
Mine are
Best
1. Beauty of Annihilation (Celia)
2. Personal Jesus (Yeshua) the remade one
3. Born depressed (Waxxle)
Worst
1. Dead Men (Bamforth and Whittaker)
2. Sweeney Todd (Shuck)
3. What did she know about railways? (Lucy Lacemaker)
Beauty of Annihilation had lots of effort put into it, one can see, with the water and all the various effects and scenery as well as the even great animation, and the song fits Celia pretty well - the whole Animation Test ist a chef's kiss.
The Personal Jesus one was for Fennah exceptionally well animated, and I don't know how difficult it must have been to animate that dance. The test has also lots of personality on its own.
Born depressed also, well animated, and puts Waxxle's character well into light, not boring, occupying the mind well.
To the worst, I just can't stand dead men. The characters have s*it designs in my opinion and nothing is really happening beside one-two effects. And it's chaotic as hell, giving eye strain after one minute.
Sweeney Todd also not much happening, telling a little about Shuck but not much more. The first part of the animation is okay, the second one is just awful when Shuck starts getting depressed.
What did she know about railways? - I thought about whether to put here "pocket full of fun" or the winifred animation test, but these at least had something going for them. This one just... doesn't fit Lucy's character, tells nothing about her, just a random song she's singing. The reason why it's not above" sweeney todd" is because the animation is fine enough. "Oom Pah Pah" is also just one scene with Lucy, but damn it showed so much about Lucy's character. The railway one is just her singing and dancing to the song normally, not in character at all, and it has the worse design. I just dislike with passion the new design. This is not Lucy, just some diva otter.
Like, what are your top 3 favourites/best and your top 3 worst? Excluding the old ones, starting at "The Return".
Mine are
Best
1. Beauty of Annihilation (Celia)
2. Personal Jesus (Yeshua) the remade one
3. Born depressed (Waxxle)
Worst
1. Dead Men (Bamforth and Whittaker)
2. Sweeney Todd (Shuck)
3. What did she know about railways? (Lucy Lacemaker)
Beauty of Annihilation had lots of effort put into it, one can see, with the water and all the various effects and scenery as well as the even great animation, and the song fits Celia pretty well - the whole Animation Test ist a chef's kiss.
The Personal Jesus one was for Fennah exceptionally well animated, and I don't know how difficult it must have been to animate that dance. The test has also lots of personality on its own.
Born depressed also, well animated, and puts Waxxle's character well into light, not boring, occupying the mind well.
To the worst, I just can't stand dead men. The characters have s*it designs in my opinion and nothing is really happening beside one-two effects. And it's chaotic as hell, giving eye strain after one minute.
Sweeney Todd also not much happening, telling a little about Shuck but not much more. The first part of the animation is okay, the second one is just awful when Shuck starts getting depressed.
What did she know about railways? - I thought about whether to put here "pocket full of fun" or the winifred animation test, but these at least had something going for them. This one just... doesn't fit Lucy's character, tells nothing about her, just a random song she's singing. The reason why it's not above" sweeney todd" is because the animation is fine enough. "Oom Pah Pah" is also just one scene with Lucy, but damn it showed so much about Lucy's character. The railway one is just her singing and dancing to the song normally, not in character at all, and it has the worse design. I just dislike with passion the new design. This is not Lucy, just some diva otter.
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I can't tell which ones are better or worse for me, they're all meh to me. Nice colors and attempt at flashy visuals but horrible physics and movements.
I'd say the ones I like the most are Fleischer, Ludwig and DeadMan.
Maybe because they are the simplest, the characters don't move like jello in the middle of an earthquake, in Deadman I like that at least the movements are more coordinated with the song and the idea of mixing two different songs but with the same name was brilliant.
That said, in Fleischer's animation the part where he flies is horrible, and to quote an old comment I read, they look more like sheets pushed by the wind than wings.
Oh and Felicity's was very good (maybe because she is one of the few characters I like) although Fennah failed in not knowing how to move correctly a character that doesn't have all her limbs.
By the way I'll give a small opinion about the new Yeshua, and that is that in the part where he dances he looks incredibly stiff and gives me more the impression of a drunken bum trying to stand up. I was more pleased that in his old animation his movements played more with the tone of the song.
They aren't fucking animation tests.
Let's be real, they are music videos with his OCs that he uses the term "animation test" for as an excuse to cut corners and do less work and polish and avoid criticism rather than putting out his "core content". An actual animation test wouldn't be filled with so many fucking special effects and visuals. The number of special effects actually makes it hard to see the animation at times, making it a poor test. You can't use it to judge if something is off properly as a result. You know, the entire purpose of an animation test. To check if the animation is looking good.
I can see the idea of using music to give them something generic to lip sync to, I know an animator who does their tests by having the characters lip sync to a reading of To Be Or Not To Be. The same recording is used each time, but that is because it is a test not a fucking piece of its own. Perhaps, if Fennah was more clever, he'd take a paragraph of text from his book spoken by these characters and animate them delivering the speech, complete with any mannerisms we'd want to see, you know give us a sense of who these characters are, it would make for a nice culmination to showing off the actual animation and personality of the character rather than relying on music to proxy in for their personalities. Not to mention it would work nicely to show the movement of these characters in a natural way that could be seen clearly. One of his best videos as an "animation test" might actually be this one, and he didn't even flag it as such:
Due to the scenery, lack of special effects, generally consistent camera angles and cuts, and the clear lighting it makes it better than any of his official "animation tests" for judging the animation work he did on Lucy.
Now once I cut through all of that, I see these tests all I see is more of his mistakes up on display. The unnatural movement, the overly jiggly bodies, the constant bouncing around, the over animation on every detail because Fennah can't allow his characters to hold any single part of themselves still for even a femtosecond. Fennah have never heard the term "less is more" it seems, or at least he's never thought to apply it to his animations. Not to mention they always feel like their legs move too stiffly, like they are in solid metal boots that magnetically attach to the floor they are on. They move like machines covered in rubber, not living creatures, and all his "tests" are is some music video to put this on display and a prayer that his musical selection and flashy special effects will distract us from his failures.
btw what's the To Be or Not To Be recording your talking about?
btw i looked up "animation test" and ironically, stumbled upon two FENNAH videos
I can't find the exact copy I know he uses (He doesn't post his work publicly, instead hands it out to a bunch of beta watchers to see if any of us see any issues, as he functions on a more professional level than Fennah does), but it is this soliloquy from Hamlet. When I asked by he uses it, he said "Because it isn't important what I use, so long as I know what someone reciting it looks like."
If you're going to look things up on Youtube, I recommend using private mode in your browser so that you don't have your usual browsing history influencing your search results. Take a look at what people are using under "3d test animation", you'll notice that in those that aren't tests for school, as in a different type of "animation test", the goal is always to show their character clearly, lighting is kept simple, the scenery is kept plain, and the camera is pretty still and steady so that you can see as much as possible at any given moment.
i never even looked or watched at fennah's channel since years, last time i remember seeing it was years ago when the Nostalgia Critic's Wall review was new.
Hmm, I guess it’s just my taste into stuff that I like Fennahs work a lot, at least, most of it.
I could see some of it as animation tests but yes you’re right most of them aren’t, rather the (animation test) should be removed.
One can test effects and so on as well as how clothing works and, in Celias video’s case, water. I’d consider this one a animation test enough - 90% of his other animations not and I always questioned why he puts that into it.
Winifreds animation test is not an animation test if the only new thing he tries yes is the fire and the rest of the stuff is well not trying new things or trying things at all. I love Winifred, but the animation “test” is horribly animated, and there is nothing happening besides a few effects and God the lipsyncinc is atrocious shit. I hate admitting that my favorite character of his got ruined in her animation “test” so disgracefully.
After his last three little bad tests I’m worrying for the crap that is going to come with Locket as so far he moved drastically backwards since the Celia test. Sombra was only good in the second half and in the first not, and that where it started to get worse and worse with the tests…
I could see some of it as animation tests but yes you’re right most of them aren’t, rather the (animation test) should be removed.
One can test effects and so on as well as how clothing works and, in Celias video’s case, water. I’d consider this one a animation test enough - 90% of his other animations not and I always questioned why he puts that into it.
Winifreds animation test is not an animation test if the only new thing he tries yes is the fire and the rest of the stuff is well not trying new things or trying things at all. I love Winifred, but the animation “test” is horribly animated, and there is nothing happening besides a few effects and God the lipsyncinc is atrocious shit. I hate admitting that my favorite character of his got ruined in her animation “test” so disgracefully.
After his last three little bad tests I’m worrying for the crap that is going to come with Locket as so far he moved drastically backwards since the Celia test. Sombra was only good in the second half and in the first not, and that where it started to get worse and worse with the tests…
Don't make me think about Locket's animation, it's sure to be something edgy and "powerful" like Winifred's.
I can already imagine the constant bouncing of those inflated balloons that she has for titts and those weird tails wagging everywhere Uhg.
I can already imagine the constant bouncing of those inflated balloons that she has for titts and those weird tails wagging everywhere Uhg.
The thing about appearing intimidating and inflicting fear upon sight is something Fennah with his way of animating won't be able to do. She needs to appear very confident, but with slow, graceful movement, meaning not the constant movin' everywhere with every part of the body every second. Same applies to the lipsyncinc, it needs to be calm. Even if she will get aggressive, there needs to be this dangerous calmness or a mad insanity, so no movin' around all the time even then.
An example would be the Indoraptor from Jurassic World 2. The way he moves so slowly and menacing is just plain creepy and scary.
I don't know all the foundations of a super intimidating character, but so far on my study on character design that's what I learnt is kind of most important. Also most important were the eyes, they're a key point on making intimidating characters.
I think the comissioned artwork of Locket was chef's kiss, it was exactly how I depicted all-powerful gruesome Locket. What I like most about the artwork is that alone through her femininity, eyes, posture she appears so frightening. The artist nailed it.
And this here uh the actual render, eh, I don't like it. Has nothing what the artwork gave. She looks kind of... old. Eh. .. Thick? Mm....
Can't think there of anything else but the "we have Locket at home" meme.
Sorry Fennah, but the only intimidating and overall right features you got right are face and eyes. But that's not enough. She's barely scary this way.
An example would be the Indoraptor from Jurassic World 2. The way he moves so slowly and menacing is just plain creepy and scary.
I don't know all the foundations of a super intimidating character, but so far on my study on character design that's what I learnt is kind of most important. Also most important were the eyes, they're a key point on making intimidating characters.
I think the comissioned artwork of Locket was chef's kiss, it was exactly how I depicted all-powerful gruesome Locket. What I like most about the artwork is that alone through her femininity, eyes, posture she appears so frightening. The artist nailed it.
And this here uh the actual render, eh, I don't like it. Has nothing what the artwork gave. She looks kind of... old. Eh. .. Thick? Mm....
Can't think there of anything else but the "we have Locket at home" meme.
Sorry Fennah, but the only intimidating and overall right features you got right are face and eyes. But that's not enough. She's barely scary this way.
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Literally none of Fennah's fans will find this thing even remotely intimidating. Half the time his fans are too busy obsessing over the fact that she's thick and has tits, that's it. Fennah tries so hard to make these creatures look scary but he fails almost everytime, he fails because everyone just wants to fuck his characters. You got this big cast of characters that are suppose to be intimidating, but instead it has the complete opposite effect and everyone just wants to get stepped on by these things. Fennah could easily remove the constant fetish fuel but he refuses to because in his own words "Nudity is art" lmao. Sexual stuff gets views and more views means more fans which means more attention to fuel Fennah's fragile ego.
I'm a fan of his work, as a said, but I mean the good work, like, his book, I adore the writing so much. Beside that he's been only showing thickness and tits (Helgan ugh vomit), the designs got worse, all too chaotic, man, focus on two things and not thousands. It annoys me that he works on the book, on the animation test, on comissions, on First Night, on animated teaser trailer, jesus please work on one animation and the book at the same time to not get burnt out by either, but so many things - don't wonder you are so slow and barely get anything done right and on time.
I guess the only way to like Fennah's work (let's say beside the book), is to live in a dellusion and overlook all the faults. His way of animating is my and else's taste, as well as everyone will like different designs and characters of his, for instance, many like Fontaine and Ludwig and I dislike them most.
But beside taste of design and animation there are no excuses to say that his fetishing is one's taste and whatever else. This is then no taste anymore. You're just horny and don't take his work seriously.
Exactly - you don't take his work seriously. How could you take most of it seriosuly? Can you take any of it seriously beside's the book? Why are the comments on the book animatics more mature, I wonder? Why not on the animation tests?
So I come to conclusion that 90% of his fans are horny and see his content only as sex fuel, and the other 10% like me wish he would the hell use his potential and talent and not waste it on gore fetishising, hoping that the book won't be ruined by this. If he dares to ruin it I'll cry in a corner of expectations as it would be the most wasted potential of art I've ever seen and probably will see.
I, as a "lover" of his work, and I say, of his work, not him under any circumstances, sadly can only say that the only thing I can truly praise is his book as of now. Nothing else.
I guess the only way to like Fennah's work (let's say beside the book), is to live in a dellusion and overlook all the faults. His way of animating is my and else's taste, as well as everyone will like different designs and characters of his, for instance, many like Fontaine and Ludwig and I dislike them most.
But beside taste of design and animation there are no excuses to say that his fetishing is one's taste and whatever else. This is then no taste anymore. You're just horny and don't take his work seriously.
Exactly - you don't take his work seriously. How could you take most of it seriosuly? Can you take any of it seriously beside's the book? Why are the comments on the book animatics more mature, I wonder? Why not on the animation tests?
So I come to conclusion that 90% of his fans are horny and see his content only as sex fuel, and the other 10% like me wish he would the hell use his potential and talent and not waste it on gore fetishising, hoping that the book won't be ruined by this. If he dares to ruin it I'll cry in a corner of expectations as it would be the most wasted potential of art I've ever seen and probably will see.
I, as a "lover" of his work, and I say, of his work, not him under any circumstances, sadly can only say that the only thing I can truly praise is his book as of now. Nothing else.
I don't like the way he does claws. They're one of the fakest parts of his overdone edgy monsters. Here is another instance where pulling from life would work.
Here is a chart showing what real claws/talons look like. None of them look like the candy colored cones he puts on his creatures.
Here is a chart showing what real claws/talons look like. None of them look like the candy colored cones he puts on his creatures.
Not to mention that (along with the teeth and ears) he has never bothered to texture the claws.
What's the point of trying to make your ocs more "realistic" if their nails still look plastic?
I always found the ways he does the toes so weird. The claws look like from PS1 era and the toes don’t look realistic, like one in the middle is smaller than the one right to it, the one on far right is bigger it’s all so weird unproportional
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Don't forget the ears. Years of animating and he still hasn't bothered to do anything but a pink inlay texture for the inner ear. Annoys the hell out of me. Really stands out against the fur.
Yeah, I've generally spared him my spergs when it comes to his feet because recently nothing that has come up that lead to these spergs have given me a close up look at the feet so it slipped my mind... I should do a "Fennah doesn't have a foot fetish" sperg sometime... In general though his characters feel unsteady on their feet, like they wouldn't give a stable enough platform to stand on and move like they do.
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