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Sam Hyde used to work at a car dealership, and he's destroyed cars in the past for videos. I'm sure he has a friends who has connections to private auctions sales. You can get good cars at insanely cheap prices if you are in the right crowd. Also, Jace would always make mention of his mom's Prius being red.
There's a photo of him in the hospital as well, hooked up to equipment. There's also photos of the car getting towed. Destroying an old car for an entertainment video with your name attached is different from staging an entire automobile accident on a highway, roadside assistance protocols included, especially when the only motive is to secretly fuck with people on the internet.

Out of curiosity, though, can you post one of the car videos?
 
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There's a photo of him in the hospital as well, hooked up to equipment. There's also photos of the car getting towed. Destroying an old car for an entertainment video with your name attached is different from staging an entire automobile accident, roadside assistance protocols included, especially when the only motive is to secretly fuck with people on the internet.
All that evidence you presented can still be present in a staging scenario, you're using narrative rather than fact to prove a point. Jace got a shit ton of attention and some quality DN moments from that incident. I'm sure he got his moneys worth if it really was staged.

Edit: The towing truck was present when he filmed the accident and it even looks like it got edited the second time a frame would have showed it and the music in the background could have masked the audio cut out (this can also very well be artifacting, but it's still interesting nonetheless.)

Out of curiosity, though, can you post one of the car videos?
There's one in Ideas Man and a couple of really early MDE vids show Sam working at a dealership.
 

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All that evidence you presented can still be present in a staging scenario, you're using narrative rather than fact to prove a point. Jace got a shit ton of attention and some quality DN moments from that incident. I'm sure he got his moneys worth if it really was staged.
His "money's worth" is some minor recognition for a fictitious character in obscure pockets of the internet? I'd buy that staging an accident on a busy highway and a followup hospital visit for a single photograph would be plausible if there was an actual payoff. This is considerably more elaborate than sneaking into a TED talk or making a fake promotional video to fuck with bronies. The "narrative" is relevant when you're suggesting something that's ludicrous.
 

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His "money's worth" is some minor recognition for a fictitious character in obscure pockets of the internet? I'd buy that staging an accident on a busy highway and a followup hospital visit for a single photograph would be plausible if there was an actual payoff. This is considerably more elaborate than sneaking into a TED talk or making a fake promotional video to fuck with bronies. The "narrative" is relevant when you're suggesting something that's ludicrous.
Well another payoff would be completely cementing parkourdude91 as being real. At this point he could go as crazy as he wants to with it and it would completely make sense to you just because you have that piece of evidence you can always reference and police a community with. If anything, what he is doing is developing such a unique and sought after skill that would be really impressive in the world of media. He'd basically be alantutorial x 10 (or a modern day Andy Kaufman).
 

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More of the guy who looks like Jace.

Also here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/milliondollarextreme/comments/2u6ub2/is_this_the_same_guy_who_did_the_martial_arts/
it is mentioned the guys name is "Jan Rankowski".

Jan Rankowski is credited in writing:

Also:
Hey when did you take that MDE facebook screenshot? last i checked the post was not there.

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I can't link to these other posts MDE made about Jan for some reason, but you can find them by googling Million dollar extreme "jan rankowski"

One is a song he made that was posted in 2012 was made private, something MDE typically does not do. Another one has him posting in the comments according to Sam with MDEs account where he is ranting. I can't find much referencing him after 2013, which is about the same time he would have graduated highschool
 
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tehfolder

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I took the screenshot last night, from here:

For some reason when I click the link directly it says the content is not available. I get to the page by Googling: "million dolor extream urban warfare"
and it usually is the first link.

IDK why sometimes it loads and sometimes it does not. :s
 
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Knowing a lot about Jace doesn't make your point more valid than others, if anything it makes you less of a candidate to look at this from an outside perspective. The way your brain works (and how conspiracy theories get formed) is that certain evidence you've obtained has to fall within a certain narrative to makes sense to the story you've constructed. Anything else that doesn't fall in to place gets tossed out. It's a mental fallacy. Don't fall into a bias blind spot.



Nobody has provided links to the court records of Jace's DUI (or atleast none that I'm aware of) and from what I understand all we have to go by is his accounts of it.



Sam Hyde used to work at a car dealership, and he's destroyed cars in the past for videos. I'm sure he has a friends who has connections to private auctions sales. You can get good cars at insanely cheap prices if you are in the right crowd. Also, Jace would always make mention of his mom's Prius being red.



Ideas Man was obviously stitching of a bunch of unused skits and clips shot over a period of time hence the name Ideas Man.



Those pics of Jace are highly artifacted kind of making them kind of unreliable. It's pretty easy to tailor a low res pic into what you want to see and if you are surrounded by a bunch of people sharing the same idea you are bound to fall into the same rut that they have (there are plenty of social experiments that can vouch for this). You can't rely on those picture as evidence of Jace having a lazy eye or being real.

If anything, there is little proof that gives off the solid impression of Jace being real (I've practically watched every single thing that has to do with Jace at this point), but plenty to show that he's a fake in this thread. If you guy want to provide a proper rebuttal try providing some evidence and try not to be to dismissive.

Credentials: I'm one of the 3 people who has gotten a %90+ percent on the Deagle Nation Quiz and received the same score as DeagleDad420 (this is pretty pathetic, but if it helps validate me then whatever.)

Edit: The thing with Jace and his mental issues. These may very well be real since there are a bunch of articles on Jan and his mental disorders. In the court hearing, his mother even makes mention of Jan's inability to recognize people by face, his main form of recognition is voice.

It really isn't hard to keep up a ruse for this long seeing as how Jace is constantly on and off. There is always plenty of downtime.
First, let me clarify that I haven't been arguing if Jace is real or not. It's well-known that I believe he is, but as I said earlier, this pickle fellow actually has something to back up his claims which is why I even bothered responding to the thread. I find it an interesting hypothesis that finally has some sort of evidence. All I did originally was post the pictures he referenced to help out. I literally have no idea how else to say that. I've stated it numerous times. I just provided the pictures he was referring to. That is it. Like, really, I'm not sure why I keep having to say the same thing over and over.

Also: "Knowing a lot about Jace doesn't make your point more valid than others, if anything it makes you less of a candidate to look at this from an outside perspective"
"Credentials: I'm one of the 3 people who has gotten a %90+ percent on the Deagle Nation Quiz and received the same score as DeagleDad420"

You just negated yourself dude. :eli:

I know I said it once before, but this time I really am going to shut my trap when it comes to this thread. One thing that I really do not appreciate is having people put words in my mouth. I've clarified myself to the best of my abilities but no one seems to understand what I am saying. I'm so sorry I posted those pictures at this point.

Anyhow, I will keep watching this thread from afar and I'm very interested in what else @Pickleman and others may dig up.
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hullo8d

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First, let me clarify that I haven't been arguing if Jace is real or not. It's well-known that I believe he is, but as I said earlier, this pickle fellow actually has something to back up his claims which is why I even bothered responding to the thread. I find it an interesting hypothesis that finally has some sort of evidence. All I did originally was post the pictures he referenced to help out. I literally have no idea how else to say that. I've stated it numerous times. I just provided the pictures he was referring to. That is it. Like, really, I'm not sure why I keep having to say the same thing over and over.
My reference to people using the lazy eye as evidence wasn't directed towards you. You may have been in the crossfire, but it wasn't intentional, sorry. I can tell you are willing to keep an open mind about this, so I respect that.

Also: "Knowing a lot about Jace doesn't make your point more valid than others, if anything it makes you less of a candidate to look at this from an outside perspective"
"Credentials: I'm one of the 3 people who has gotten a %90+ percent on the Deagle Nation Quiz and received the same score as DeagleDad420"

You just negated yourself dude. :eli:
I knew I was when I posted that, but the difference is that I'm not completely shutting the idea down. I want more than anything for Jace to be real, but honestly this new scenario is just to appealing to not entertain. I still haven't completely bought into the idea on either sides since they each have their are good arguments on both sides . I'm just Pro-Jan for the moment since their seems to be a bigger push against that notion. Even if most of what that comes out of this is bickering, I'm sure it'll make some interesting facts reach the surface through it.
 
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Long time lurker here.

This seems like pretty damning evidence to me, I don't understand the backlash its getting. If you're all so sure that Jan is not Jace, how did you explain the Tactical Talk video? It was uploaded on December 23rd 2011. According to the timeline on lolcow.wiki, Jace had no internet presence at that point. Sam Hyde specifically says "parkourdude91" in the video, many Jace-isms are present, and Jan is said to be the writer. The tactical talk video seems to be the most damning piece of evidence.

If we add it all up, how do you believers account for all this evidence?
-Jace and Jan look very much alike.
-Jace and Jan sound very much alike.
-Jan's mother is named Gayle, and sounds exactly like Jace's Gail.
-There is a lot of Jace-ish stuff connected to Jan (tactial talk lingo, parkour, CoD, etc. )
-People relate Andy Kaufman to Jan on multiple occasions, a comedian known for big hoaxes.
-Their connection goes all the way back to December 23rd 2011, when Jace was completely unknown. How likely is it that one of the first guys to find Jace is someone who looks/sounds exactly like him?
-Jan's connection to MDE, a group known for hoaxes. They're located pretty close to each other as well.

There are 2 conclusions I can come to here:
1. Jan really is crazy like Jace. He uses the name "Jace" to hide his real identity, just as Jace puts out many false flags to confuse trolls. Sam Hyde sometimes hangs out and communicates with Jan because he's a funny lolcow and a good source of material.
2. Jan is doing a long-con improvisational act, Jace is a made up character.

Conclusion two seems much more likely at this point. It also fits the story that Jan also has aspergers. I theorize that he's put all the obsessiveness that comes with being an aspie into pulling off this ruse.

This stuff can't just be dismissed as a crazy conspiracy theory. If you want to prove Jace is real, find some police records or something.

Also, here's some other stuff I've found:

If you listen at 29:15 after, Jan does his dance, he says "I tried to remember all the lessons, it's hard". He sounds exactly like Jace.

There's also Jan's page from indiegogo which is connected to MDE's indiegogo page.
https://www.indiegogo.com/individuals/346804
He describes himself as having a Kaufmanesque sense of humor and provides another image of himself.
 

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There are 2 conclusions I can come to here:
1. Jan really is crazy like Jace. He uses the name "Jace" to hide his real identity, just as Jace puts out many false flags to confuse trolls. Sam Hyde sometimes hangs out and communicates with Jan because he's a funny lolcow and a good source of material.
2. Jan is doing a long-con improvisational act, Jace is a made up character.
I'm leaning more toward option 1, actually. (or maybe a mix of both). He made a Jace video after flipping his car, so he can't be completely sane
 

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For me to give you any credibility there has to be a way to falsify your hypothesis, which is a thing that all these Jace conspiracies lack. There is nothing that can be said or done to dissuade the person from believing that Jace is an act. What would prove you wrong?
 

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For me to give you any credibility there has to be a way to falsify your hypothesis, which is a thing that all these Jace conspiracies lack. There is nothing that can be said or done to dissuade the person from believing that Jace is an act. What would prove you wrong?
I agree, the burden of proof is on us to prove it. But we already have more leads and evidence than has ever been gathered before, so I'm not sure this is comparable to other inquiries into his identity

The only way we can confirm it is if we find Jan.
 

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Some outside evidence, like a piece of state-issued documentation of Jace would be pretty conclusive. Like some records from his trial or something.
 
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I agree, the burden of proof is on us to prove it. But we already have more leads and evidence than has ever been gathered before, so I'm not sure this is comparable to other inquiries into his identity

The only way we can confirm it is if we find Jan.
What? Of course it is. For instance, I'm willing to admit that Jace is an act. A way to prove it is if he says he is. "I am an actor from MDE."

What would make you think these things are coincidences?
 

hullo8d

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Some outside evidence, like a piece of state-issued documentation of Jace would be pretty conclusive. Like some records from his trial or something.
The only thing that I can think of that might come close to this is the Race War van mention in a police transmission. I've heard mention of it before, but I haven't actually heard the audio clip of it (can anybody provide that audio?). It might also be something that I miss interpretted
 

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The only thing that I can think of that might come close to this is the Race War van mention in a police transmission. I've heard mention of it before, but I haven't actually heard the audio clip of it (can anybody provide that audio?). It might also be something that I miss interpretted
iirc the transmission only indicated that they had been told to look out for a van with swas-, not that they had seen one
 
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