Sam Vogel "Antonovich" / Kaara / allthefoxes / theotherredfox / vincelocktip / samman412 / vlt412 / atf412 - Powertripping Discord staff member with a dash of cub-defending and furfaggotry, AKA the "cub porn Discord mod"

[Just Another Furgag Alog]

I would but this guy is extremely paranoid and in order to get this confirmation, I had to assure him that I would not post it.

Part of my job as a moderator involves keeping things in confidence if a source needs to be verified but only wants to do so privately. I have absolutely no vested interest in this dude, I have no idea who he is, I don't know him from Adam, but he was very much freaked out that he was accused of being Sam.

I can give you my word that this is a different dude, he provided evidence of a UK driver's license that was timestamped, and since he is a different dude, he's no longer relevant to this thread.



Yeah, this, pretty much. You know how many foxes named Reynard there are in the furry fandom?

Way too goddamn many,

... @Reynard

Damn. That's some real fucking respect I just got for you, there. You're the reason I signed my account up in the first place, but damn.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I've updated the OP to point this out in case some /r/drama users end up confusing the two again since Redditors believe they're one and the same.

Thank you for updating the main post, I was going to update the OP once the information has been properly confirmed, since I was getting a bit confused on the whole username schtick and the reddit mod mess.

Even with the user confusion here, Sam is still a mess himself, and from what I've seen he doesn't seem to do anymore ticket replies (or some of the previous employees) in the Trust and Safety side, its a new batch of people. At least what I've seen and experienced.

 

[TheSurveyMaker]

I think Corvus is lying: He only speaks American English. He is involved American politics, but not British politics. He has even talked about specialty restaurants only in SF even knowing their prices.

 

[Meowthkip]

I think Corvus is lying: He only speaks American English. He is involved American politics, but not British politics. He has even talked about specialty restaurants only in SF even knowing their prices.

First two docs are restricted.

It's entirely possible that I have been bamboozled by a frantic Alex, but it was @Kurosaki Ichigo that came to me to clear Reddit Kaara's name, and I was willing to hear them out.

Perhaps take it up with them.

 

[TheSurveyMaker]

Sorry about the first two links, I've fixed that. I'll look into Kurosaki's account

 

[Just Another Furgag Alog]

I think Corvus is lying: He only speaks American English. He is involved American politics, but not British politics. He has even talked about specialty restaurants only in SF even knowing their prices.

"legal ops @discord" seems more relevant than the rest in that thing about restaurants in San Fran, but "last time I checked" could easily mean it was more than a year ago.

I know fuckall about AllTheFoxes, so feel free to pick apart the fact that Kaara joined Discover in October 2017 or whatever else you want.

http://archive.vn/NQSos

http://archive.vn/ducNO

http://archive.vn/R1wre

http://archive.vn/wyP4E

http://archive.vn/Zj9v5

Edit: Oh wait, from the OP: "However the Twitter account @Kaara_Raven is still Sam's Twitter account with a very similar looking fursona. "

Way to shit up my brief efforts by not even reading the OP yourself.

 

[TheSurveyMaker]

Way to shit up my brief efforts by not even reading the OP yourself.

What do you mean? I already know @kaara_Raven is Sam's Twitter, I'm connecting @Kaara_Raven to u/Kaararaven

 

[D.Va]

That comment was deleted at some point prior to 28 June which is the last Google cache of the page. Very interesting. Why would a briton delete an innocuous comment on this and know specific details about what hipster patisserie to go to for some butter?

http://archive.md/16d5t

 

[TheSurveyMaker]

That comment was deleted at some point prior to 28 June which is the last Google cache of the page. Very interesting.

Thanks for bringing this up I got screenshot on June 18th, I put it on a subreddit and it was removed by a mod and it seems like Corvus somehow found it.

Here is more evidence, I have. So when YIH was taken over I went on an alt and posted images of ATF in his fursuit, without stating that it was ATF or Corvus. Post 1. Post 2.

After the second post I was granted this interaction with Corvus.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

As far as I’m aware Sam is from the states, as for a Brit being interested in American nonsense, that’s something too far out of the ordinary. Also the twitter you screenshot is the one we’ve followed from the start, the only handle changed it’s gone through was being atf to kaara_raven.

edit: sorry I’m tired and didn’t read everything. That’s interesting.
Edit edit: does caps placement on reddit usernames matter?

 

[Meowthkip]

As far as I’m aware Sam is from the states, as for a Brit being interested in American nonsense, that’s something too far out of the ordinary. Also the twitter you screenshot is the one we’ve followed from the start, the only handle changed it’s gone through was being atf to kaara_raven.

edit: sorry I’m tired and didn’t read everything. That’s interesting.
Edit edit: does caps placement on reddit usernames matter?

I'm going to say that while u/KaaraRaven did show me a photo of his British driver's license with a timestamped message, he completely blanked out his face and name. The guy was coming off as very paranoid and I wanted to be as accommodating as possible, even though I had assured him that even if he did show me his actual name, it would have been kept in confidence.

It's not unreasonable for somebody who demonstrated that they're a weird sperg on the internet would be freaking out about anybody on the Farms and whether or not they're trustworthy, and I did not want to badger him, and I accepted this as Kurosaki seemed to vouch for him. This was, admittedly, very flimsy evidence and that alone took some prodding to get out of him.

So I can only conclude that it is a definite possibility that I've been lied to, especially if Sam happens to know or be very close friends with a Brit.

And if that turns out to be the case, then you know what? That will make me mad.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

I'm going to say that while u/KaaraRaven did show me a photo of his British driver's license with a timestamped message, he completely blanked out his face and name. The guy was coming off as very paranoid and I wanted to be as accommodating as possible, even though I had assured him that even if he did show me his actual name, it would have been kept in confidence.

It's not unreasonable for somebody who demonstrated that they're a weird sperg on the internet would be freaking out about anybody on the Farms and whether or not they're trustworthy, and I did not want to badger him, and I accepted this as Kurosaki seemed to vouch for him. This was, admittedly, very flimsy evidence and that alone took some prodding to get out of him.

So I can only conclude that it is a definite possibility that I've been lied to, especially if Sam happens to know or be very close friends with a Brit.

And if that turns out to be the case, then you know what? That will make me mad.

When I asked him about way to prove he wasn’t Sam he admitted that even giving hints of his id through obscured paperwork that Sam could’ve asked some random dude to do just that.

If I’ve been lied to as well I’m upset, I’ve given the guy the benefit of the doubt since he was brought up.

 

[Meowthkip]

When I asked him about way to prove he wasn’t Sam he admitted that even giving hints of his id through obscured paperwork that Sam could’ve asked some random dude to do just that.

If I’ve been lied to as well I’m upset, I’ve given the guy the benefit of the doubt since he was brought up.

You know what? I believe you. You just come across like you're trying to be helpful.

 

[TheSurveyMaker]

Okay, I've dug further into u/Kaararaven and found quite definitive proof they live in the US. Here's a screenshot from this post (archive) talking about their local Chick-Fil-A. There are no Chick-Fil-A's currently in the UK and the first one opened in October (the comment was made in September).

I think everyone here has the best intentions, but I feel as though you're being lied to by someone who is known for this batshit erratic sperg behavior.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

When he was telling me about the whole kaara name origin he chose he gave me an op he made under it with this username. Again, not sure if letters in caps makes much of a difference on reddit.

I noticed that Sam was under KaaraRaven. Thats all I got.

 

[D.Va]

I'm curious and I want to see the pic of the UK driver's license since it's bogus, even if the details have been cleared.

When he was telling me about the whole kaara name origin he chose he gave me an op he made under it with this username. Again, not sure if letters in caps makes much of a difference on reddit.
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I noticed that Sam was under KaaraRaven. Thats all I got.

it makes no difference.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Well I’ve done everything I could do for a person I assumed to be mistaken collateral damage.

 

[TheSurveyMaker]

Well I’ve done everything I could do for a person I assumed to be mistaken collateral damage.

He also could have easily faked the license. I put this together in under 5 minutes.

 

[Meowthkip]

We got this:

Spoiler: DA PROOF

Have fun with it.

 

[D.Va]

@Meowthkip I think you dropped the ball by treating this as a confirmation of some sort. The deleted messages about living in Cali are a smoking gun; that Chik-fil-A thread in particular has him literally admit he is American. I'd put the record straight in that they are without a reasonable doubt the same person and he fucked up trying to separate the identities.

This loicense more than likely belongs to a friend in the reddit powermod circlejerk, someone he trusts, whoever that might be.