Sam Vogel "Antonovich" / Kaara / allthefoxes / theotherredfox / vincelocktip / samman412 / vlt412 / atf412 - Powertripping Discord staff member with a dash of cub-defending and furfaggotry, AKA the "cub porn Discord mod"

[Meowthkip]

@Meowthkip I think you dropped the ball by treating this as a confirmation of some sort. The deleted messages about living in Cali are a smoking gun; that Chik-fil-A thread in particular has him literally admit he is American. I'd put the record straight in that they are without a reasonable doubt the same person and he fucked up trying to separate the identities.

This loicense more than likely belongs to a friend in the reddit powermod circlejerk, someone he trusts, whoever that might be.

Yeah I'm realizing that now.

It just seems like a stupid amount of trouble to go through, which was why I wasn't suspicious. I still don't quite understand the reasoning behind trying to detach his reddit account from everything else. What's the point?

 

[D.Va]

Yeah I'm realizing that now.

It just seems like a stupid amount of trouble to go through, which was why I wasn't suspicious. I still don't quite understand the reasoning behind trying to detach his reddit account from everything else. What's the point?

The same reason people detach their identities here, I guess; being able to shitpost pseudo-anonymously without ramifications on your personal/professional life. He was very cocky when it came to taking over a subreddit until people figured out who it was and started dropping his name. Now he's barely posted in over a week. If he abandons accounts it's only a matter of time before he stirs the pot and people figure out who he is again.

Why would an edgy shitposter arrdrama moderator even attempt to prove a faildox wrong to begin with anyways, I would have just ran with it for shits and giggles.

 

[TheSurveyMaker]

We got this:

Spoiler: DA PROOF

View attachment 1436834

Have fun with it.

Okay, there are multiple things that look off about this. First off is the Bank of England. Now I might have this wrong, since I live in the US, but the current base rate of the Bank of England is .10% and it has been like that since the 19th of March 2020.

Now onto the license (again I'm not from the UK so I may have some of these wrong). While trying to find information on UK Driving Licences I found many websites selling fake ones (food for thought), here's official samples from 2014, here's a modern sample. Note that the official samples have text to the right side of the road, this does not appear on Corvus's image. Also note have the hologram, despite having light shined on it, is not reflecting. I also find it odd he censored #9, because #9 just states the vehicles you are authorized to drive. It's nothing identifiable nor personal.

Moving on from the credibility of the license, there is the fact that it is a provisional license. Provisional licenses are granted at the age of 15 in the UK and you can get your driving license at 17. Corvus is not under 17 as evidenced by his attitude toward zoomers and this comment on 9/11 as well as the fact few 16 year olds hold bank accounts. Now there is the case that he just had it lying around, but the Union Jack was added to licenses is 2015. So by subtracting 16 years from that it shows he was born (according the license) in 1999. Going back to the 9/11 comment this would mean he was 2-3 years old when 9/11 happened. It is extremely unlikely a child living in the UK would remember 9/11 at that age. However Sam was 7 years old when 9/11 happened.

All of this combined with his American English, participation in American politics, and the mention of restaurants that don't exist in the UK really proves that he does not live in the UK in my opinion. It also seems a bit off that he'd be showing off UK currency like you could only hold onto it in UK.

 

[Meowthkip]

The same reason people detach their identities here, I guess; being able to shitpost pseudo-anonymously without ramifications on your personal/professional life. He was very cocky when it came to taking over a subreddit until people figured out who it was and started dropping his name. Now he's barely posted in over a week. If he abandons accounts it's only a matter of time before he stirs the pot and people figure out who he is again.

Why would an edgy shitposter arrdrama moderator even attempt to prove a faildox wrong to begin with anyways, I would have just ran with it for shits and giggles.

I guess I figured, "why would he think he can post anonymously when he has publicly been linked to the name 'KaaraRaven' on the internet already? Surely, people would have picked up on that, so why bother trying to act like you're a different person unless you actually are a different person?"

Now I just feel like a fucking idiot and @TheSurveyMaker has just solidified that for me because I honestly just wanted to be left alone and stop him whining at me while putting up all this resistance to prove that he was a different person because I DO NOT WANT TO BE DOXXXXXXED BY MEAN OLE' KIWI FARMS, ;_;

I should have been a bigger bitch about it and I probably would have been if he hadn't also duped Kurosaki first. He played us like a damn fiddle.

I owe you guys an apology. I was lax in my duties and I should have been more thorough.

 

[D.Va]

Okay, there are multiple things that look off about this. First off is the Bank of England. Now I might have this wrong, since I live in the US, but the current base rate of the Bank of England is .10% and it has been like that since the 19th of March 2020.

Now onto the license (again I'm not from the UK so I may have some of these wrong). While trying to find information on UK Driving Licences I found many websites selling fake ones (food for thought), here's official samples from 2014, here's a modern sample. Note that the official samples have text to the right side of the road, this does not appear on Corvus's image. Also note have the hologram, despite having light shined on it, is not reflecting. I also find it odd he censored #9, because #9 just states the vehicles you are authorized to drive. It's nothing identifiable nor personal.

Moving on from the credibility of the license, there is the fact that it is a provisional license. Provisional licenses are granted at the age of 15 in the UK and you can get your driving license at 17. Corvus is not under 17 as evidenced by his attitude toward zoomers and this comment on 9/11 as well as the fact few 16 year olds hold bank accounts. Now there is the case that he just had it lying around, but the Union Jack was added to licenses is 2015. So by subtracting 16 years from that it shows he was born (according the license) in 1999. Going back to the 9/11 comment this would mean he was 2-3 years old when 9/11 happened. It is extremely unlikely a child living in the UK would remember 9/11 at that age. However Sam was 7 years old when 9/11 happened.

All of this combined with his American English, participation in American politics, and the mention of restaurants that don't exist in the UK really proves that he does not live in the UK in my opinion. It also seems a bit off that he'd be showing off UK currency like you could only hold onto it in UK.

Bruh, thanks for powering through the bullshit and all but that entire textwall was retarded and you have no idea how UK provisional driving licenses work.

You're reading into it too much, someone else just took a photo for him.

 

[TheSurveyMaker]

Bruh, thanks for powering through the bullshit and all but that entire textwall was retarded and you have no idea how UK provisional driving licenses work.

You're reading into it too much, someone else just took a photo for him.

I spent hours researching that, so my brain was essentially on autopilot while writing the text. I think what I was trying to grasp at is that if the license is fake it's an actual crime. Although if you do know how UK provisional licenses work I'd like to know what I wrong on (No explanation needed) so I can do it right if I ever have to do this again.

 

[D.Va]

I spent hours researching that, so my brain was essentially on autopilot while writing the text. I think what I was trying to grasp at is that if the license is fake it's an actual crime. Although if you do know how UK provisional licenses work I'd like to know what I wrong on (No explanation needed) so I can do it right if I ever have to do this again.

You aren't just given a loicense at 15, you have to apply for it and can do so at any time. Until you pass your driving test you can drive a moped with an L-plate, or a car under supervision of someone who has passed the test (but you can't go on motorways). That sample text you were talking about is literally just that (that text in your first example is a printed signature of the cardholder).

A lot of people just use a provisional as an ID because it's easier and cheaper to apply for than a passport, it's conveniently card-sized, and a car is pretty useless in this country if you are young and living somewhere with good transport links. A provisional is valid for ten years but can be renewed forever.

 

[Uncle Warren]

I owe you guys an apology. I was lax in my duties and I should have been more thorough.

Alright so we're fixing the OP back to normal so we can properly facefist this faggot right?

 

[TheSurveyMaker]

You aren't just given a loicense at 15, you have to apply for it and can do so at any time. Until you pass your driving test you can drive a moped with an L-plate, or a car under supervision of someone who has passed the test (but you can't go on motorways). That sample text you were talking about is literally just that (that text in your first example is a printed signature of the cardholder).

A lot of people just use a provisional as an ID because it's easier and cheaper to apply for than a passport, it's conveniently card-sized, and a car is pretty useless in this country if you are young and living somewhere with good transport links. A provisional is valid for ten years but can be renewed forever.

Thanks for providing insight, as stated before I live in the US and have no clue on the usability of a UK provisional license, nor the amount of UK drivers. The US has some pretty bad public transport in most cities. In the US some states will allow you skip the provisional license if you’re old enough. Although I didn’t mention the signature at all, so I don’t know what you’re talking about there.

 

[Just Another Furgag Alog]

Okay, there are multiple things that look off about this. First off is the Bank of England. Now I might have this wrong, since I live in the US, but the current base rate of the Bank of England is .10% and it has been like that since the 19th of March 2020.

Now onto the license (again I'm not from the UK so I may have some of these wrong). While trying to find information on UK Driving Licences I found many websites selling fake ones (food for thought), here's official samples from 2014, here's a modern sample. Note that the official samples have text to the right side of the road, this does not appear on Corvus's image. Also note have the hologram, despite having light shined on it, is not reflecting. I also find it odd he censored #9, because #9 just states the vehicles you are authorized to drive. It's nothing identifiable nor personal.

Moving on from the credibility of the license, there is the fact that it is a provisional license. Provisional licenses are granted at the age of 15 in the UK and you can get your driving license at 17. Corvus is not under 17 as evidenced by his attitude toward zoomers and this comment on 9/11 as well as the fact few 16 year olds hold bank accounts. Now there is the case that he just had it lying around, but the Union Jack was added to licenses is 2015. So by subtracting 16 years from that it shows he was born (according the license) in 1999. Going back to the 9/11 comment this would mean he was 2-3 years old when 9/11 happened. It is extremely unlikely a child living in the UK would remember 9/11 at that age. However Sam was 7 years old when 9/11 happened.

All of this combined with his American English, participation in American politics, and the mention of restaurants that don't exist in the UK really proves that he does not live in the UK in my opinion. It also seems a bit off that he'd be showing off UK currency like you could only hold onto it in UK.

Sorry to be playing shield on something I don't give any fucks about, but the bank interest rate not being entirely up to date, if anything, should count in his favor as it shows he had the document about it from before the change?

As for some of the issues with the license you pointed out, the color matches with the provisional sample from 2014 and the quality could just be too shit to make out the text, rather than being lacking.

I'm not arguing that Kaara =/= Sam, just that the license could well be legitimate and that this all should have been kept to messages. The reddit comments are real fucking damning, but whatever kid was trying to help Sam out here didn't deserve this.

 

[TANK JESUS]

le 9gga delivers:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w1tjtvr3S2iNNnhfBOSZjcw25WWfdUjQjEzbTElbirE/view

https://reddit.com/r/RealFurryHours/comments/hoa444/the_corvus_dossier/

edit: hi acefolf and crew! welcome to kiwi farms, hopefully you'll enjoy your stay

 

[TheSurveyMaker]

The post might be taken down because the mods don't want the sub to get banned for targeted harassment. Might bring it back (if removed) after the banwave though

 

[D.Va]

If you didn't jump off of reddit after the most recent mass exodus then I'm sorry for you, because the wild west days are gone and it's just a corporate reposting site now. If you try to post drama there it's going to be removed, because it doesn't encourage people to spend money on internet stickers.

 

[TheSurveyMaker]

If you didn't jump off of reddit after the most recent mass exodus then I'm sorry for you, because the wild west days are gone and it's just a corporate reposting site now. If you try to post drama there it's going to be removed, because it doesn't encourage people to spend money on internet stickers.

I have tried to move to alternative websites, but there aren't platforms as large or with as much influence as reddit. The further time moves on more people drop traditional media for platforms like Reddit and these shadow individuals/groups should not have any control. That's why I think exposing them is good because even if it make a few people realize the problem these people might take up my approach and spread this.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Sorry for putting you into this position @Meowthkip. You’re right, I was doing what I thought was helping and should’ve been far more skeptical considering how flimsy the defense was.

 

[Uncle Warren]

there aren't platforms as large or with as much influence as reddit

Every single chan that has existed since 2004 would like to have a word with you.

 

[TheSurveyMaker]

Fuck Sam, I try to tell him how to handle his situation while receiving minimum backlash, but instead he acts like a fucking child (A 25 year old calling critics "nerds") and only incriminating himself even more. He then mutes and bans me from yiffinhell, which I have not broken the rules on. You deserve this retard

 

[aoaoaoa]

Fuck Sam, I try to tell him how to handle his situation while receiving minimum backlash, but instead he acts like a fucking child (A 25 year old calling critics "nerds") and only incriminating himself even more. He then mutes and bans me from yiffinhell, which I have not broken the rules on. You deserve this retard

Why did you think this was worthwhile?

 

[TheSurveyMaker]

Why did you think this was worthwhile?

I expected him to act like an adult and not a child, but that's what I get for believing reddit furry mods can behave in a standard manor.

 

[HannibalLecter]

I expected him to act like an adult and not a child, but that's what I get for believing reddit furry mods can behave in a standard manor.

mature reddit furry mods is some kind of double oxymoron