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Gar For Archer

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Still premiering, 47 minutes to go as of this post.
What are the odds he actually addresses the issues with staff, as opposed to just talking about the new 18+ limit?
Cautiously optimistic myself.
Surprised he’s doing a vid on this. Despite finding his content more or less inoffensive I’d always assumed he was an SCP shill because he’s also a writer on the Wiki. Is that impression of him incorrect?
 

Lil' Misogynist

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Still premiering, 47 minutes to go as of this post.
What are the odds he actually addresses the issues with staff, as opposed to just talking about the new 18+ limit?
Cautiously optimistic myself.
inb4 Cimm gets banned for "multiple harassment cases"

Edit: Turned out to be a genuinely good take on the situation. Thanks Cimm.

Edit 2: And as if on time, this was posted while the video was streaming: https://archive.md/yRUoD
 
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AoS

with gusto
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Surprised he’s doing a vid on this. Despite finding his content more or less inoffensive I’d always assumed he was an SCP shill because he’s also a writer on the Wiki. Is that impression of him incorrect?
He’s sort of an outlier & can be hard to categorize; previously on staff and a certified djkwaktus gobbler for sure, but more of a fanboy than inner circle. He has personal gripes with some staff after they (1) banned him from all site contests forever and (2) made a vote thread to outlaw the sale of crit and co-authorship to would-be authors for the site, which was indirectly about him (and others), so he’s kinda on the outside looking in and is spared the kool aid some.

I wrote him off after his “Response to LGBSCP” video, which is a classic and still fun to visit from time to time, but he seems a lot more measured here. I’m glad he did this.

LARGE EDIT:
When it comes to the graphic NSFW fiction, it always seemed to fit easily into the SCP universe; there's already a lot of dehumanization and degradation present in the universe and it doesn't take much to change the context to BDSM. Also, articles like SCP-231 with sexual undertones (or overtones) have been around since the early days of the site, which means dark sexual content was never taboo in the traditional 'canon' (popular/older articles); combined with open encouragement from certain staff members and prominent authors, making and consuming the content seems normal until it's too late to realize it's not.
Turns out the SCP Wiki staff had a perfect opportunity slap them right in the face to place warnings on all adult works on the site over a year ago, and they didn't.

Here's the story of an underage SCP Wiki staff member who after getting a feel for the site, was inspired to be one of the cool kids, so she wrote a gay fandom using actual users in the community, some of which were underage also, all of which did not give their consent to show up in it. The writer later said she was trying to be like other authors on the site. Given the culture, we shouldn't be surprised.

Two source threads:
(1) http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-11335242/disciplinary-corpseofbixby#post-4229167
[archive: but page 1 only]
(2) http://05command.wikidot.com/forum/t-11347681/addition-to-rules-page
[archive]

First is the disciplinary thread. Couple posts down, our boy taylor_itkin volunteers to write an Adult Work's guide for the site in response, which will be “under the direction of Procyon_lotor”, the O.G. (You might have to check out the small "Show More" above "Options" in the bottom right of the posts to see the past text that was changed.)

Recall taylor_itkin is the one who tried to get into #Site12 twice before he was 18 and didn't have a problem with that at the time, so if anyone knows what to do and not to do when underage, it is him. Procyon_lotor responds saying "*and ARD's and others and with the input of the rest of the staff." ARD might be the third individual involved with Eskobar and Gabriel Jade in the off-wiki porn 'tale' involving "Z"/Insurgency_Moon ... you know the one about brutally (and I mean BRUTALLY) raping an underage self-insert... so maybe he has the experience to oversee something like this.

Support was expressed for the idea:
"We definitely should write up clearer policy on adult works..."
One user wondered if a contest for April Fool's Day way back in 2016, the "Crackfic Contest", had anything to do with it. Odd recall there, but yeah okay maybe so. Here it is: http://www.scp-wiki.net/an-incredibly-important-announcement [archive]

I checked out the contest entries and had to look up 'crack fiction' to make sure it wasn't just a term for smut. The premise of using April Fool’s Day to be zaney somehow translated into authors writing NSFW tales about avatars and self-inserts of many famous site members. Oh it is cause of rule #7:
7. Erotica, while not required, is technically permissible. However, it should be tagged 'adult' and possess a short disclaimer.
The contest was featured on the front page for several days. [archive]

According to a staffer, "... most authors for those pieces didn't seek permission for using site member names, nor did they check for age of consent." This contest featured a high number of adult-themed articles.

The top three of the contest, according to overall vote-count were titled:
1) "The Minions© day at the scp" - by Randomini (SFW but a name we've seen in this thread)
2) "Love And Relative Dimensions in Fate: Dr. Clef/Doctor Who" by Cyantreuse (tagged adult)
3) "Orgy Five Counsel 9: XXXK End of Virginity Scenario" by TyGently (surprisingly NOT tagged adult but definitely needs to be)

That contest featured other hit titles as "Lust in the Time of Anomalous Cholera", "My Lover, the Dog", and a bunch of other articles that no one would know at a first glance or a click are NSFW ("Virgil the Goldfish's Big Day Out", "Gears Is Totally Not A Robot Guys", "Glass x Diogenes 4 Life! <3"). ONE of them was “ahead of its time” and had the decency to include a warning for adult content. The rule stating that a disclaimer had to exist for NSFW works apparently wasn’t enforced.

Well it turns out Crackfic Con DID have something to do with the incident:
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Another snapshot of this message shows ~700 views of the image. 700. You can’t say the right ppl aren’t seeing this.

Quotes from the offender in documented chat logs:
"<COB> It was supposed to be an overarching series that I would post on April Fools of next year. “
"<COB> I wrote a single stupid SCP article, and that was it. I saw people writing tons of things, day after day, and I just wanted people to know I was there."

The contest was in 2016. The offender here posted the draft in April 2019... three years later. When she was 17. Do the math. And she was still thinking about it... shows a glimpse of the impact the community can have on the very young.

That staff member also wondered if the offender maybe saw something on "The Bottledick Hub" [archive] that struck her fancy.

(It turned out that this writer actually wrote several erotic, dom-based fics about underage users. It's noted that these fics "have been stored for disciplinary staff oversight upon request." You think anybody requsted to read them “for oversight purposes”?)

It seems there really was a precedent for this sort of behavior, and certainly so for an impressionable minor. The staff see no issues with their handling of adult content here and "come off as being overly eager to demonize kids who make mistakes due to lack of foreknowledge." (Read: "You guys got upvotes for talking about sizing up Dr. Gear's robot dick, so what is she supposed to think?")

What I'm getting at here is this is another example of the site's culture normalizing sexuality and having blatant disregard for who is watching it, despite knowing very well who is. A result is that "some people legit don't know that some things are a problem."

Contrast the debating of what punishment to give with the staff's inability to ask about their possible culpability or wonder whether or not their decisions were right or even morally questionable, even in glaring retrospect. Nowhere in the thread do they say "Maybe putting a contest with smut winners on the front page and reading them ceremoniously was a bad idea." But the smutfest contest wasn't repeated again, so I guess deep down, maybe they knew.

Funny, down the thread here, Bright agrees with a permaban for the user. He appears later again and agrees that an attempt by the offender to appeal for a ban some months later "doesn't do enough to convince".

The second link is the resulting policy discussion. There’s some suggestion for an addition to the Rules page of the wiki talking explicitly about how adult/NSFW pages should be handled. The most solidarity shown here is around a comment saying where, theoretically the addition would go on the Rules page. Nothing else is decided upon. The conversation is unfinished, there’s no vote for the change like we’ve seen with recent re-visits to the ideas. No update is made; this discussion thread is from April 2019 and there’s currently no update to the Rules page since mid 2018. [archive]

For fun, some notable quotes from that thread and some peanut gallery commentary:

"Smut fiction involving real users, becoming popular?"
Yup. Already happens. In fact, the Orgy one is technically listed on the most popular tales of the site all time (on page 6, you gotta scroll past a lot of other smut tales to get to it). [archive]
"... creating a popular new trend where users are solicited for their approval of appearing in smut fiction on a site that gets new users every day from mature sources such as Markiplier is, if I may be a blunt concerned citizen, disturbing."
So is featuring the Crackfix Con winners on the front page. So would having staff record themselves reading the articles and posting it to the site (promised in the contest rules, but thankfully never happened).
"I admit I was also quite surprised that a user so active on the forums trying to help out got caught up in this,"
You're looking at the site upside down. It's the ones who are more active in the site that this should be expected of.
"The point of [disciplinary] (or at least from what I have been told) is to stop future problematic behavior,"
Right, so let's not ban AdminBright.
"To be fair, the crackfic contest was years ago. They've been far more active on the site recently than you have, to be perfectly frank, (no offense) and should get the sense that site culture has changed."
lol really has his fingers on the pulse of 2019 SCP here.
"Well, here's the thing. The crackfic contest dealt with author avatars and characters, not the authors themselves. I mean, we're fine with things like Ship in a Bottle, because that's about the fictional characters Dr. Clef and Dr. Kondraki, not the authors Clef and Kondraki. I think that's an important distinction to make here."
Right, so the average reader should instantly and without reminding make this distinction, even as you remind staff to make it. Truth is, these people are equated with their avatars in the community, the authors WANT that effect, it’s an ongoing prize to be won in the culture, and this commentor knows that truth better than almost anyone. It's part of why SCP has had to teach people to not abuse their star power to exert sexual pressure.
"Again, not a good move to make, but it's not like we've never seen writers eager to make a big splash on the site before."
Way to minimize a culture that promotes sex knowingly in front of children.

I think the best question that's been asked is why a writing community festered into an underage grooming farm. What is behind that development in the first place? It's this advertisement the site gives out that you can make a splash and become e-famous here. It is dangled out like bait and those at the other end of the pole know who will bite.
"Or we could also leave this up to "this should be common sense" and deal with any future incidents on a case by case basis without an explicit rule addition that likely won't be very relevant. We've only dealt with something quite like this once in 12 years, so I doubt it'll suddenly become commonplace."
So many "common sense" rules need to be deliberated over in this community.


So why didn't they do a year ago what they’re virtue signaling over now? Because and only because the shit finally hit the fan. Not because it’s about protecting kids. To parrot Dr. Cimmerian, it’s about optics.

By the way, the staff’s Anti-Harrassment Page and Rules page are virtually just lists of things we’ve seen staff do with no consequences. There's just too much to criticize in these two pages.
 
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Eskisehir

formerly subtletea, constantly tired
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I wonder how many people have joined underage and had their perceptions warped so badly by the wiki culture, but we won't know about it because they had the sheer luck not to have a scandal. If it was bad enough to fuck so profoundly with me and @Psyantroos who were older when we got into the thick of it, a 14 year old...
 

AoS

with gusto
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Gahdamn it's a long ass post again guys sorry prime sperging here. I've told myself I wasn't going to make this because (1) I just made a long ass post like 3 posts ago (2) we're all in sort of a post-coom endorphin bath after the "fall" of Bright, just kicking our feet up waiting to see how the rest of the dominoes fall, and (3) at some point this is just splitting hairs in a bigger story about a greater good. But there’s a lot of bad information going around about the basics of the Russian branch vs Duksin case.

I think everyone on the face of the planet, me too, is on the side of SCP when it comes to this Andrei Duksin guy and his illegitimate trademarking in Russia and the Eurasian Customs Union (basically a handful of former USSR countries), except this bunch who have some funny shit to say about it.

The whole thing is so outrageous and infuriating to everyone because Duskin really has no legal standing at all. The Russian trademarking authorities are known to accept bribes to do illegitimate shit and are probably almost as corrupt as the SCP crew, which might be how he got the TM in the first place, how's that for karma. Duksin is going to end up losing a lot of money and probably his company once this finally gets settled. Which is kinda a shame, because the works in those 3 art books of his are fucking amazing, highest-quality SCP artwork I've ever seen and it isn't even close. It stomps the shit out of all the MS paint squiggles and ahegao-faced 049s that are basically the status quo coming out of the English SCP Wiki communities.

From a legal perspective, the TM could only have happened and is theoretically only even applicable in Russia and the ECU countries, because (1) russian (and chinese) trademark systems are corrupt as fuck and good luck repeating that shit anywhere else; and (2) a bit of fundamental info about trademarks is that your trademark registration in one country doesn't give you any protection in another.[1][2][3][4] There are international entities for globalizing trademarks like the Madrid System, Nice Agreement, and the Trademark Law Treaty, which Russia is a part of, but they are all designed to make legit trademarking internationally more streamlined and economically convenient, not fucking automatic because you paid off some crooked insky to win a bullshit TM case in Russia.

To actually get your regional trademark global, you have to go through a preliminary fact check (that costs money) but also two excruciatingly severe, manual review cases after -- one through the global governing bodies overseeing those agreements and systems, and again for the specific review boards in each country you are hoping to get your trademark applied to -- in addition to paying the equivalent of $2,600 for the whole process (for the US only, that cost goes up per country you want to apply to), just to fail in this case. So Duksin's TM in Russia is a far cry from being even remotely plausible anywhere else and a cheap son of a bitch like him isn't going to throw that much money at something even his dumb ass knows won't get anywhere. Plus, you can check out the actual trademark (1, 2) and see that it doesn't have an international qualifier pending or rejected or anything.

But yet based on seemingly contradictory, at least wishy-washy statements from the head of SCP's internet outreach team and its subordinate members, it seems like the SCP staff wasn't very careful or on the same page regarding when and how to front the possibility that the trademark battle could either threaten just the Russian branch or literally all other branches of the SCP, including the english branch, and all the fps games like CB and the content regurgitators that most people who like the SCP Foundation actually like it for.

This can appear like knowingly trying to wring out the rag just a wee bit more. I’m not saying thet this was intentional per se, just not careful or clear enough, and boy what a mess. SCP IO has got to avoid sloppiness like this if they’re going to do their job (which is to avoid another End-of-the-Credibility Summer 2018 scenario).
We go here and read Modern_Erasmus first briefing the community on the initial episode of the drama. He is the captain of the internet outreach team, a wiki admin, and head mod of r/scp (you know, the place that censors the truth). This post is back in May 2019 when the SCP Wiki and the Russian branch were releasing statements on the situation:
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Alright no problem, they are going to try to resolve it bureaucratically at this point in time by being like "hey stop or we will sue your ass", which usually works on twats. Then, 6 months later, Duksin is a twat again, taking down the Russian branch's official VK account (VK is basically Russian facebook) and some other fan stuff, using the trademark to convince VK which doesn't know shit about SCP and basically is a pussy about it. So a new round of offense is launched by the SCP and the Russian branch:
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So the stakes are raised yeah and this is now an emergency because the dude actually took down two exclusively Russian social media pages and is sperging about some sinecure position on the Russian branch. "Theoretically" he could do the same to the Russian Wiki, except there's no way he can, because Wikidot is very aware of SCP and wouldn't cave like VK did (who don't know any better really and are just trying to lay low). Plus it makes zero sense for Duskin to do that if he relies on the Russian wiki to make his products and money and wants to use it as a platform for his merchandise.

Now Russian branch and papa english wiki are right pissed off and they are going to open that legal account they politely declined when other people suggested donations for it last time Duskin did this shit 6 months ago. But nothing has changed in regards to the region that the trademark has any sway in. He had been threatening SCP merch sellers for a while. Doing anything outside of Russia and those -zikstans is still just as impossible, nothing’s really changed there. So there's just as non-existent of a threat to anyone outside Russia and those -stans still.

If you don't take my word for it, Modern_Erasmus says the same thing as his first statement again in a recent editorial for KnowYourMeme on SCP in April 2020:
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And again here:
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And here, in as many words:
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While other members of the community outreach team post kinda the opposite like here:
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as well as propaganda-level fliers to their official social media accounts that would have post-COVID marketing teams fapping off to the cringey sentimentality that has come to define what an SCP and SCP author is these days:
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...and then the spectacle moves to the secondary tier of mouthpieces for the site and its community:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuuNTGeavN4

...and finally from them straight onto the conveyor belt of well-meaning, but by this point just incorrect and incredibly popular YouTube influencers who either repeat the misinformation or get it plain wrong themselves for millions of viewers and donators:
- Markiplier (>3M views), who doesn't actually know what the hell is going on at the SCP because in the video he is surprised to discover there were thousands of SCPs instead of just hundreds. The scope of the threat was unclear enough for Markiplier to say that if Duskin wins here, that "gives him an argument for all the other countries and branches of the SCP," when this is not true he doesn't even stand a chance to win the actual case in Russia. His video doubled the funds from ~$60,000 to >$120,000 in 16 hours.

- Dr. Cimmerian's 3 videos on it (1, 2, 3,) where he says the same things and changes his tune 180 degrees as well - from "the core problem won't affect you" in video #1, to "we need your money to keep SCP content free" in #2, to finally "Obviously this is a threat to the SCP Foundation, not just in Russia and countries covered by the ECU, but worldwide, because if he can enforce it there, he can enforce it elsewhere." in #3. He also hyena laughs at Duksin's Patreon account because he sees it has/had $5 in donations total without realizing that his ARTSCP VK account has about 102k followers, that he's sold >25,000 of his books, and that at ~18 USD per book has made the equivalent of about $450,000 in revenue off them; then says "it's amazing how much trouble a single person with no following can cause for the SCP wiki". I'm just saying that it just goes to show how little people actually know about the situation, even people who hold hands with the wiki and its staff, and how much they just take at face value whatever the guy to their left in the long line of bandwagoners just said.

- Game Theory (>2.8M views) who actually does a pretty good job with the info and even concedes that "there's nothing he can do to threaten the SCP Foundation outside of Russia" and that Duskin "can't lay claim to the [English] Wiki because he has the trademark but not the copyright itself" but still pushes that this threatens the principle of
Creative Commons works, and that could somehow mean a slippery slope argument for CC works worldwide. Just no.

- SCP Illustrated's videos on it (1, 2); he does mention that it's limited to RU and other countries only, but reads Modern_Erasmus's post word-for-word to 140,000 people in video #2 along with his own statement of "He will then pose a threat to all other SCP Wikis as well, including the ones that you view such as [lists all the most popular YT regurgitation channels]." and "We can't just sit back and let SCP go to ruin".

- TheQuartering's video (>82k views) says that if Duksin succeeds in this trial that he can then "make other claims for all the other branches" even as you can literally see his neurons struggling to connect the words together with absolute nothing to connect it with. The rest of his video is horrendously misinformed; he props up the legal battle with Duskin as a chance to defend "fair use", which he is a proud champion of, but only applies here in the most common-language use of the two words and not at all in any legal sense. (Don't believe me, take it from El Captain himself:
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- The Volgun's three videos on it (1, 2, 3); in the first he says that it doesn't apply outside Russia and the ECU countries, but then goes into how "in theory" this could destroy all of the wiki. In the second one, he just reads Modern_Erasmus's statement in a walkie-talkie EQ. In the third video, he talks to Modern_Erasmus about what the consequences of the lawsuit going in Duksin's direction would mean. He mentions that "the positions of all of the other SCP Wikis could be threatened" and is the only one I came across who next asks "well what does this mean?" He goes on to say that, "as has been explained to me [by Modern_Erasmus]", Duksin's win would "send a really bad precedent... because no one wants that to happen." Disappointingly, there is no real reason, legal or otherwise, provided by Volgun or M_E by proxy here either after the tease, and then gets someone to read Duksin's lines in a 1920's telephone EQ with the crappiest Russian accent voice acting I've ever heard.

- CavemanFilms video on it (>12k views) doesn't understand what CC is and that anyone can monetize your SCP shit at any time with no legal recourse on your part whatsoever. "He could theoretically try to apply his SCP trademark to absolutely everything."

There are so many others that just read Modern_Erasmus's confusing statement on it and don't think twice about it even if they said the opposite a video earlier. It’s like SCP had a raging boner for being gifted some legit moral high-ground for a change. But I am tired & you're fucking welcome I had to listen to all this shit. Everyone has the "in theory he could take over all of SCP" tacked on to the videos and no one knows why they say it or even a clue that it is 100% wrong and a legal impossibility. Hm.

...and it’s just a mess. I get it, yeah it threatens the whole community because this guy is an asshole and on principle but to be frank, it doesn’t actually threaten the whole community and people are believing and repeating that too easily. Just wanted to clear the air about that.

If I did a bit more here, I'd go to the actual donations page and see if any comments indicate that the people who donated clearly believe that the English branch of the SCP Wiki, and the first-person video games, and all that stuff they’ve ever loved about SCP was about to die if they didn't fork over their monthly Steam and IMVU allowances ASAP.


I hope Duksin loses, I think most people wouldn't really care if it only affected the Russian wiki and would still donate like they did, and hell I donated to the fund too.

P.S. The next legal meeting on the topic is May 22nd, so maybe some updates then if there are any.
 

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PurpleMan69

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Gahdamn it's a long ass post again guys sorry prime sperging here. I've told myself I wasn't going to make this because (1) I just made a long ass post like 3 posts ago (2) we're all in sort of a post-coom endorphin bath after the "fall" of Bright, just kicking our feet up waiting to see how the rest of the dominoes fall, and (3) at some point this is just splitting hairs in a bigger story about a greater good. But there’s a lot of misinformation going around about the basics of the Russian branch vs Duksin case.

I think everyone on the face of the planet, me too, is on the side of SCP when it comes to this Andrei Duksin guy and his illegitimate trademarking in Russia and the Eurasian Customs Union (basically a handful of former USSR countries), except this bunch who have some funny shit to say about it.

The whole thing is so outrageous and infuriating to everyone because Duskin really has no legal standing at all. The Russian trademarking authorities are known to accept bribes to do illegitimate shit and are probably almost as corrupt as the SCP crew, which might be how he got the TM in the first place, how's that for karma. Duksin is going to end up losing a lot of money and probably his company once this finally gets settled. Which is kinda a shame, because the works in those 3 art books of his are fucking amazing, highest-quality SCP artwork I've ever seen and it isn't even close. It stomps the shit out of all the MS paint squiggles and ahegao-faced 049s that are basically the status quo coming out of the English SCP Wiki communities.

From a legal perspective, the TM could only have happened and is only even theoretically applicable in Russia and the ECU countries, because (1) russian (and chinese) trademark systems are corrupt as fuck and good luck repeating that shit anywhere else; and (2) a bit of fundamental info about trademarks is that your trademark registration in one country doesn't give you any protection in another.[1][2][3][4] There are international entities for globalizing trademarks like the Madrid System, Nice Agreement, and the Trademark Law Treaty, which Russia is a part of, but they are all designed to make legit trademarking internationally more streamlined and economically convenient, not fucking automatic because you paid off some crooked insky to win a bullshit TM case in Russia.

To actually get your regional trademark global, you have to go through a preliminary fact check (that costs money) but also two excruciatingly severe, manual review cases after -- one through the global governing bodies overseeing those agreements and systems, and again for the specific review boards in each country you are hoping to get your trademark applied to -- in addition to paying the equivalent of $2,600 for the whole process (for the US only, that cost goes up per country you want to apply to), just to fail in this case. So Duksin's TM in Russia is a far cry from being even remotely plausible anywhere else and a cheap son of a bitch like him isn't going to throw that much money at something even his dumb ass knows won't get anywhere. Plus, you can check out the actual trademark (1, 2) and see that it doesn't have an international qualifier pending or rejected or anything.

But yet based on seemingly contradictory statements from the head of SCP's internet outreach team and its subordinate members, it seems like the SCP staff wasn't very careful or on the same page regarding when and how to front the possibility that the trademark battle could either threaten just the Russian branch or literally all other branches of the SCP, including the english branch, and all the fps games like CB and the content regurgitators that most people who like the SCP Foundation actually like it for.

This can appear like knowingly trying to wring out the rag just a wee bit more. I’m not saying thet this was intentional per se, just not careful or clear enough, and boy what a mess.
We go here and read Modern_Erasmus first briefing the community on the initial episode of the drama. He is the captain of the internet outreach team, a wiki admin, and head mod of r/scp (you know, the place that censors the truth). This post is back in May 2019 when the SCP Wiki and the Russian branch were releasing statements on the situation:
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Alright no problem, they are going to try to resolve it bureaucratically at this point in time by being like "hey stop or we will sue your ass", which usually works on twats. Then, 6 months later, Duksin is a twat again, taking down the Russian branch's official VK account (VK is basically Russian facebook) and some other fan stuff, using the trademark to convince VK which doesn't know shit about SCP and basically is a pussy about it. So a new round of offense is launched by the SCP and the Russian branch:
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So the stakes are raised yeah and this is now an emergency because the dude actually took down two exclusively Russian social media pages and is sperging about some sinecure position on the Russian branch. "Theoretically" he could do the same to the Russian Wiki, except there's no way he can, because Wikidot is very aware of SCP and wouldn't cave like VK did (who don't know any better really and are just trying to lay low). Plus it makes zero sense for Duskin to do that if he relies on the Russian wiki to make his products and money and wants to use it as a platform for his merchandise.

Now Russian branch and papa english wiki are right pissed off and they are going to open that legal account they politely declined when other people suggested donations for it last time Duskin did this shit 6 months ago. But nothing has changed in regards to the region that the trademark has any sway in. He had been threatening SCP merch sellers for a while. Doing anything outside of Russia and those -zikstans is still just as impossible, nothing’s really changed there. So there's just as non-existent of a threat to anyone outside Russia and those -stans still.

If you don't take my word for it, Modern_Erasmus says the same thing as his first statement again in a recent editorial for KnowYourMeme on SCP in April 2020:
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And again here:
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And here, in as many words:
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While other members of the community outreach team post kinda the opposite like here:
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as well as propaganda-level fliers to their official social media accounts that would have post-COVID marketing teams fapping off to the cringey sentimentality that has come to define what an SCP and SCP author is these days:
...and then the spectacle moves to the secondary tier of mouthpieces for the site and its community:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuuNTGeavN4

...and finally straight to the conveyor belt of well-meaning, but by this point just incorrect and incredibly popular YouTube influencers who either repeat the misinformation or get it plain wrong themselves for millions of viewers and donators:
- Markiplier (>3M views), who doesn't actually know what the hell is going on at the SCP because in the video he is surprised to discover there were thousands of SCPs instead of just hundreds, and had no clue what SCP-4000 was, clearly never seen it before. The scope of the threat was unclear enough for Markiplier to say that if Duskin wins here, that "gives him an argument for all the other countries and branches of the SCP," when this is not true he doesn't even stand a chance to win the actual case in Russia. His video doubled the funds from ~$60,000 to >$120,000 in 16 hours.

- Dr. Cimmerian's 3 videos on it (1, 2, 3,) where he says the same things and changes his tune 180 degrees as well - from "the core problem won't affect you" in video #1, to "we need your money to keep SCP content free" in #2, to finally "Obviously this is a threat to the SCP Foundation, not just in Russia and countries covered by the ECU, but worldwide, because if he can enforce it there, he can enforce it elsewhere." in #3. He also hyena laughs at Duksin's Patreon account because he sees it has/had $5 in donations total without realizing that his ARTSCP VK account has about 102k followers, that he's sold >25,000 of his books, and that at ~18 USD per book has made the equivalent of about $450,000 in revenue off them; then says "it's amazing how much trouble a single person with no following can cause for the SCP wiki". I'm just saying that it just goes to show how little people actually know about the situation, even people who hold hands with the wiki and its staff, and how much they just take at face value whatever the guy to their left in the long line of bandwagoners just said.

- Game Theory (>2.8M views) who actually does a pretty good job with the info and even concedes that "there's nothing he can do to threaten the SCP Foundation outside of Russia" and that Duskin "can't lay claim to the [English] Wiki because he has the trademark but not the copyright itself" but still pushes that this threatens the principle of
Creative Commons works, and that could somehow mean a slippery slope argument for CC works worldwide. Just no.

- SCP Illustrated's videos on it (1, 2); he does mention that it's limited to RU and other countries only, but reads Modern_Erasmus's post word-for-word to 140,000 people in video #2 along with his own statement of "He will then pose a threat to all other SCP Wikis as well, including the ones that you view such as [lists all the most popular YT regurgitation channels]." and "We can't just sit back and let SCP go to ruin".

- TheQuartering's video (>82k views) says that if Duksin succeeds in this trial that he can then "make other claims for all the other branches" even as you can literally see his neurons struggling to connect the words together with absolute nothingness. The rest of his video is horrendously misinformed; he props up the legal battle with Duskin as a chance to defend "fair use", which he is a proud champion of, but only applies here in the most common-language use of the two words and not at all in any legal sense. (Don't believe me, take it from El Captain himself:
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- The Volgun's three videos on it (1, 2, 3); in the first he says that it doesn't apply outside Russia and the ECU countries, but then goes into how "in theory" this could destroy all of the wiki. In the second one, he just reads Modern_Erasmus's statement in a walkie-talkie EQ. In the third video, he talks to Modern_Erasmus about what the consequences of the lawsuit going in Duksin's direction would mean. He mentions that "the positions of all of the other SCP Wikis could be threatened" and is the only one I came across who next asks "well what does this mean?" He goes on to say that, "as has been explained to me [by Modern_Erasmus]", Duksin's win would "send a really bad precedent... because no one wants that to happen." Disappointingly, there is no real reason, legal or otherwise, provided by Volgun or M_E by proxy here either after the tease, and then gets someone to read Duksin's lines in a 1920's telephone EQ with the crappiest Russian accent voice acting I've ever heard.

- CavemanFilms video on it (>12k views) doesn't understand what CC is and that anyone can monetize your SCP shit at any time with no legal recourse on your part whatsoever. "He could theoretically try to apply his SCP trademark to absolutely everything."

There are so many others that just read Modern_Erasmus's confusing statement on it and don't think twice about it even if they said the opposite a video earlier probably due to a raging roid state. But I am tired & you're fucking welcome I had to listen to all this shit. Everyone has the "in theory he could take over all of SCP" tacked on to the videos and no one knows why they say it or even a clue that it is 100% wrong and a legal impossibility. Hm.

...and it’s just a mess. I get it, yeah it threatens the whole community because this guy is an asshole and on principle but to be frank, it doesn’t actually threaten the whole community and people are believing and repeating that too easily. Just wanted to clear the air about that.

If I did a bit more here, I'd go to the actual donations page and see if any comments indicate that the people who donated clearly believe that the English branch of the SCP Wiki, and the first-person video games, and all that stuff they’ve ever loved about SCP was about to die if they didn't fork over their monthly Steam and IMVU allowances ASAP.


I hope Duksin loses, I think most people wouldn't really care if it only affected the Russian wiki and would still donate like they did, and hell I donated to the fund too.

P.S. The next legal meeting on the topic is May 22nd, so maybe some updates then if there are any.
Wonder if they're gonna update the GoFundMe again because of this post.
 

Disc

A Dubious Disc indeed.
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where does most of this pedophile stuff happen? I really doubt they would be stupid enough to have on the main discord if SCP has one
IRC chats, mostly. They're hard as hell to 'sneak' into and peep on. It's why Cyantreuse and the like spilling the beans here was so valuable.

There's definitely discord chats as well, but I don't believe there's an 'official' one. you can't ipban someone from a discord chat, after all.
 

DungeonMaster

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I really dislike videos like these that try and explain how an SCP was created and sometimes just make up shit, the mysterious backgrounds of SCPs are part of what makes them interesting.
It's a bit sad, really. I was a fan of SCP in its heyday. Mainstream attention seemed like something impossible. Now that they're completely undermining its atmosphere, both onsite and offsite, it's like there is no artistic direction. All the incredibly stupid tumblr headcanons of popular SCPs being quirky have given the community the same attitude as Merreyweatherey's Clinic of Horrors. It's no longer horror explained in a bureaucratic way, but now it's a stupid orgy of giggling about how quirky and weird everybody involved in it is.
 

Mexican_Wizard_711

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and 127 others

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After looking through that, the horny guy is mildly annoying at worst. Seriously, these posts are harmless compared to Doctor "SCP Weinstein" Bright's chat-logs where he admitted to encouraging minors to engage in convention orgies.
oh and the SCP article that guy gets in trouble for commenting on is literally a game controller that jizzes on you when you use it.

edit: https://archive.md/bdrN7
x2 edit: ^ also rapey and molesty. article written by weasel boi Roget
 
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AoS

with gusto
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After looking through that, the horny guy is mildly annoying at worst. Seriously, these posts are harmless compared to Doctor "SCP Weinstein" Bright's chat-logs where he admitted to encouraging minors to engage in convention orgies.
From the user’s chat disc thread:
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Oh my in that chat paste the staff act like they’ve always treated adult topics as wrongthink. Okay I think they are overplaying their hand waaaay too much here, but it’s obviously cause of a now solid reputation of shittiness they have to combat.

And doing it to a relatively innocent person... it’s like they didn’t learn anything.
 
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