Separation of Lolcow and Non-Lolcow Discussion -

[Null]

Okay, so there's a bit of a problem. The Lolcow board is not doing its job.

Lets do a pop quiz. Identify the lolcows.

A. Christian Weston Chandler
B. The Furry Fandom
C. Wizardchan
D. Donald Trump
E. Five Nights at Freddy's Fandom
F. Pixyteri
G. North Korea
H. Supreme Glorious Leader Kim Jung-Un

Spoiler: Answers

A. True
B. False
C. True
D. False
E. False
F. True
G. False
H. False

A long time ago, we had an issue where CWC's board was becoming about others. People would ask questions like, "How is a Chris like ADF?", or "Would PixyTeri and Chris be able to make a couple?" and other shit like that. In off-topic, we had threads for Wizardchan and a few other weirdos. This is what led to the creation of the Lolcow General board.

However, now there's a similar problem. Instead of getting threads about lolcows, we're getting groups. I am more tolerant of things like Wizardchan and SlutHate getting their own boards because they sort of function as a single, autonomous creature where everyone believes pretty much the same thing and share the same set of common faults.

The Furry Fandom, FNAF fandom, Lolita Fandom, etc do not do this. They are not all flawed in the same way, and their threads are usually people from the fandom outing each other and causing drama. They post screencaps that "disruptive" or "problematic" people make and then take turns bashing it because they're totally not like that.

I propose that all fandom and community watch threads get their own board separate from the Lolcow board, which will instead focus entirely on individuals.

 

[Watcher]

I think this is a good idea for some. But most lolcows really do not need or deserve their own boards. I can guarantee a lot of them would have maybe 3-4 threads and would die shortly thereafter til something happens.

Also how would the approval process go over? I'm assuming if every lolcow will now be a board instead of a thread there would need to be a pre-approval process for new cows.

 

[Null]

I think this is a good idea for some. But most lolcows really do not need or deserve their own boards. I can guarantee a lot of them would have maybe 3-4 threads and would die shortly thereafter til something happens.

Also how would the approval process go over? I'm assuming if every lolcow will now be a board instead of a thread there would need to be a pre-approval process for new cows.

No ... Threads like "Five Nights at Freddy's Fandom" would go to a board called Community Watch or something.

 

[grilledcheesesandwich]

That's a good idea, actually. The lolcow board is kinda cluttered the way it is now.

 

[LegoTugboat]

When would this split happen, roughly?

 

[Null]

When would this split happen, roughly?

Whenever I do it.

 

[sugoi-chan]

What about a lolcow sub-board for groups? If it's posted in the main board, it has to be about a single (or maybe a handful) of explicitly identifiable people. If it's a Stampede, it goes in the Herd sub-board.

 

[Watcher]

I dunno, tbh it just feels a little unnecessary to have another board solely for a handful of communities just because they don't fall into the definition of "lolcows"

 

[Doc Cassidy]

I find the fandom threads boring for the most part. It's a lot more interesting when the focus is on one person.

 

[SpessCaptain]

Isn't the tag system used to filter specfic types of lolcows? Isn't that working well enough?

 

[Null]

What about a lolcow sub-board for groups? If it's posted in the main board, it has to be about a single (or maybe a handful) of explicitly identifiable people. If it's a Stampede, it goes in the Herd sub-board.

This is what the tag system does currently and it is ineffective.

I dunno, tbh it just feels a little unnecessary to have another board solely for a handful of communities just because they don't fall into the definition of "lolcows" despite people wanting to discuss them.

The idea is to encourage intracommunity drama. With room to breathe, I think we could fan flames that are already burning.

Isn't the tag system used to filter specfic types of lolcows? Isn't that working well enough?

No. It's also not addressing the issue where non-lolcow communities (i.e. the difference between Wizardchan and FNAF Fandom) well enough.

 

[KingofManga420]

Do it. The stampede tags and such were really dumb to me and they don't do a good job.

 

[DuskEngine]

Some topics blur the line between individuals and communities. Several tumblr threads have started out with people mocking a subgroup or fandom at large and then focusing that down on individual users. Would these people get their own threads in a separate board? It seems kind of inelegant.

Would the purpose of these boards be to focus on a community as a way of weeding out specific lolcows? Isn't that what lolcow general is kind of for?

 

[Null]

Some topics blur the line between individuals and communities. Several tumblr threads have started out with people mocking a subgroup or fandom at large and then focusing that down on individual users. Would these people get their own threads in a separate board? It seems kind of inelegant.

They would if they were a big enough target, sure.

Would the purpose of these boards be to focus on a community as a way of weeding out specific lolcows? Isn't that what lolcow general is kind of for?

No. The purpose would be for people to either observe a community or oust a community that they belong to. Right now a big complaint is that "people in these are usually a part of them". But to me, that's no problem. They know what's insane in a community better than anyone else.

But yes. If a person "graduated" they'd get their own thread.

 

[Lipitor]

Just do a better job of letting people know what the joke is.

 

[Reddit Avenger]

I don't see the issue with it. It sucks to have a thread about a specific sperg get buried because more broad 'community' threads inherently attract more posting. Y'know with them being about multiple people and all.

 

[Glaive]

My question is what is the purpose of the separation?

Are you trying to use the new Community Watch board as a containment board for these groups that include our borderline not-every-member-is-like-that topic, in addition of the other actual lolcow communities? Or are you trying to separate lolcow groups from individuals on TOP of completely removing those borderline groups from site discussion completely.

I recommend that should the split be made, that the borderline questionable lolcow community discussion still be allowed within the Community Watch board.
Because frankly people are still going to want to discuss things like the furry fandom even if they are not textbook definitions of "lolcows", that's just nitpicking the semantics.
Should the split be made it should be done for ease of browsing and less need for staff intervention. There is no need to axe popular topics like Furries just over terminology.

 

[Null]

My question is what is the purpose of the separation?

To allow for generic, non-lolcow drama that incites entire communities.

There's pent up energy. I can either smother it to focus the board, or move it out so it can grow.

IN OTHER WORDS DEAR GLAIVE,
the fire rises.

 

[Gensdupays]

I think it would be a decent idea in theory, but far too often threads about groups/fandoms become full of trollshielding, shitposting, and off-topic stuff.

They are not all flawed in the same way, and their threads are usually people from the fandom outing each other and causing drama. They post screencaps that "disruptive" or "problematic" people make and then take turns bashing it because they're totally not like that.

This is literally the exact problem that you could have with them. I mean, I've seen some users say that they're fine with people in fandoms hiding their power level when they air out dirty laundry that's funny, but that might be really far off from "lolcow" stuff. If the board were to be made, I'm not sure even a Powerlevel rating would keep the sperginess in check. I'm just concerned we'd have a board full of Steven Universe threads or get increasingly niche in the terms of fandoms/groups we cover.

At worst, we could get one asshole from a small group coming in and trying to make us into his epic ween personal army to take down his enemies in the Brazilian bird watching community. I'm just thinking worst case scenario here.

 

[Null]

This is literally the exact problem that you could have with them. I mean, I've seen some users say that they're fine with people in fandoms hiding their power level when they air out dirty laundry that's funny, but that might be really far off from "lolcow" stuff. If the board were to be made, I'm not sure even a Powerlevel rating would keep the sperginess in check. I'm just concerned we'd have a board full of Steven Universe threads.

Sounds like people just need to be meaner. We need more of @Dynastia to spook people.