Serious LGBT Discussion

[Kenya Jones]

The inability to form a family alone makes it a negative and undesirable trait

LGBT parents don't exist. Never happened, ever.

But in addition to that it's also correlated with all sorts of negative outcomes and other degenerate behaviors like pedophilia so.

????

Well, your posts certainly implied to me that you think it's good for kindergarteners to be taught about LGBT sexuality, the "gender spectrum," and other harmful leftist nonsense. Was I wrong?

I literally said not, I was talking about age appropriate stuff. I think a kid that age can still understand the concept of "boy likes girl" "boy likes boy" "girl likes girl". As I said, sexuality=/=sex. You are absolutely wrong.

If you stopped for two seconds to think about what you are saying, you would realize that this completely undermines the notion that gays are "born not made."

How does it? Because you can be gay and forced to be straight acting, the same way the opposite is possible.

If the genetic determinism theory was true, it should be the case that all these older generations were actually at least 20% LGBT all along, and now that society is accepting they can all come out of the closet and the rates of faggotry should equalize across age. Why isn't that happening?

It literally is, unless what you are trying to get across is not what you are writing.

Cite any modern society where over half the citizens are "bisexual." Name one.

We live in a world where the majority has been under the rule of governments that forced their religion on people, the stigma of which we are only just starting to shake off. You claim I argue in bad faith, when you in fact are the one arguing in bad faith.

You do know most of them identify as queer, bisexual, or non-binary. The majority of them are probably bored, alienated straight who joined the LGBT community in an attempt to gain some status. Most of them will go on to have heterosexual relationships. You sound like an annoying SJW.

You sound like an annoying pick me. Just to let you know, they want you dead no matter what, they do not care if you're "one of the good ones". There is never enough.

it's none of your business, have your own kids if you care so much and stop trying to be a dictator.

That will never happen.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

You sound like an annoying pick me. Just to let you know, they want you dead no matter what, they do not care if you're "one of the good ones". There is never enough.

A good deal of people, who otherwise didn't think too highly of homosexuality, were willing to tolerate them regardless of their own moral beliefs out of the assumption that it was wrong to impose their morality onto others. Including religious people who sincerely consider homosexual behavior a sin.

It was a matter of, "live how you want, just leave me and my family alone."

It's becoming increasingly apparent to MANY people that such a situation is unworkable.

"Make the gay wedding cake, bigot." "Let me marry in YOUR church, bigot." "Let me groom your kids, bigot."

That was the only reason the LGBTQ community has gotten as far as it has, and now they've gotten overconfident and are squandering the goodwill they earned. If you want to reverse that, prove them wrong and stop imposing your crap on us.

 

[Kenya Jones]

A good deal of people, who otherwise didn't think too highly of homosexuality, were willing to tolerate them regardless of their own moral beliefs out of the assumption that it was wrong to impose their morality onto others. Including religious people who sincerely consider homosexual behavior a sin.

It was a matter of, "live how you want, just leave me and my family alone."

It's becoming increasingly apparent to MANY people that such a situation is unworkable.

"Make the gay wedding cake, bigot." "Let me marry in YOUR church, bigot." "Let me groom your kids, bigot."

That was the only reason the LGBTQ community has gotten as far as it has, and now they've gotten overconfident and are squandering the goodwill they earned. If you want to reverse that, prove them wrong and stop imposing your crap on us.

No, I think that republican congressmen and women are throwing a hissy fit ever since the 2020 election and are in their "fuck you mom and dad" phase. We'll see how that works out in the next election cycle when every major republican is going against what the majority of the public wants.

 

[snailslime]

A good deal of people, who otherwise didn't think too highly of homosexuality, were willing to tolerate them regardless of their own moral beliefs out of the assumption that it was wrong to impose their morality onto others. Including religious people who sincerely consider homosexual behavior a sin.

It was a matter of, "live how you want, just leave me and my family alone."

It's becoming increasingly apparent to MANY people that such a situation is unworkable.

"Make the gay wedding cake, bigot." "Let me marry in YOUR church, bigot." "Let me groom your kids, bigot."

That was the only reason the LGBTQ community has gotten as far as it has, and now they've gotten overconfident and are squandering the goodwill they earned. If you want to reverse that, prove them wrong and stop imposing your crap on us.

just make the cake you sperg. muh gaaaaaaays

 

[Noir drag freak]

If you stopped for two seconds to think about what you are saying, you would realize that this completely undermines the notion that gays are "born not made."

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If the genetic determinism theory was true, it should be the case that all these older generations were actually at least 20% LGBT all along, and now that society is accepting they can all come out of the closet and the rates of faggotry should equalize across age. Why isn't that happening?

The majority of that is coming from the bisexuality and queer category. If you look at it by subgroup, the number of gays and lesbians are roughly the same.

Issues of sexual morality have been with us for all of time so no. In the end there are no original arguments here, just right and wrong.

This is pointless. For one thing, people are going to do what they want to do. Not everyone is like the people on kiwi , most people live selfishness. So shrugs.

I am vaguely aware of some alternative homo viewpoints that gays shouldn't care about getting married because trying to emulate straights is cringe and antithetical to faggotry's nature as a subculture/alternative lifestyle which rejects many of mainstream society's outdated and boorish social norms. I consider this to be a sort of, right for the wrong reasons, if that makes sense. Unfortunately, you have to admit that such alternative perspectives have been kept silent with astonishing effectiveness, and that the stereotypical blue haired screeching twittard is what basically everyone thinks of when they hear "LGBT community."

There are other arguments as well. Most of the arguments listed seem to come from the baby boomers who resented growing in suburbia. There are other arguments that are much better than the whole "be gay and do crime",

That's true, but it's still perfectly reasonable to become concerned that an increasingly large portion of the population is becoming incapable of reproducing naturally.

It's also reasonable to become concerned that an increasingly larger number of children (either adopted or reproduced artificially) will be deprived of a parental role model of either sex, as children need both mothers and fathers. The latter especially.

This is a silly thing to say. There are such things as lavender marriages. Homosexual men ,despite not wanting to, can still have sex with women. Nothing says that you have to romantic or sexual love for the mother of your child. Have you not read any biographies?

You sound like an annoying pick me. Just to let you know, they want you dead no matter what, they do not care if you're "one of the good ones".

You're being hyperbolic. For one, I don't care because this is the internet.

A good deal of people, who otherwise didn't think too highly of homosexuality, were willing to tolerate them regardless of their own moral beliefs out of the assumption that it was wrong to impose their morality onto others. Including religious people who sincerely consider homosexual behavior a sin.

It was a matter of, "live how you want, just leave me and my family alone."

It's becoming increasingly apparent to MANY people that such a situation is unworkable.

"Make the gay wedding cake, bigot." "Let me marry in YOUR church, bigot." "Let me groom your kids, bigot."

That was the only reason the LGBTQ community has gotten as far as it has, and now they've gotten overconfident and are squandering the goodwill they earned. If you want to reverse that, prove them wrong and stop imposing your crap on us.

You're being hyperbolic as well. Most of those people tend to be LGBT activist. Activists of any stripe are annoying and looking for ways to shake things up. Christians do it too. Secondly, most people outside of liberal areas tend to self-segregate by demographics. I doubt that the gays in West Hollywood really cares enough to patronizes or to even terrorize a Christian florist.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

This is a silly thing to say. There are such things as lavender marriages. Homosexual men ,despite not wanting to, can still have sex with women. Nothing says that you have to romantic or sexual love for the mother of your child. Have you not read any biographies?

And such a relationship is doomed to fail, and will probably screw up any child born under it, hence the other paragraph you quoted.

Never said that gays should be forced to reproduce, just that homosexual orientation could be seen as a "disability" due to the fact that it severely compromises their ability to reproduce.

 

[Noir drag freak]

And such a relationship is doomed to fail, and will probably screw up any child born under it, hence the other paragraph you quoted.

Never said that gays should be forced to reproduce, just that homosexual orientation could be seen as a "disability" due to the fact that it severely compromises their ability to reproduce.

Let's shake hands and agree to disagree. Personally, I think anything can happened. SO I'm going to shrug on this discussion.

 

[gang weeder]

LGBT parents don't exist. Never happened, ever.

They don't, that's right.

It literally is, unless what you are trying to get across is not what you are writing.

How much longer is it going to take? Because that graph shows pretty stark differences in rates of LGBT identification across age groups.

We live in a world where the majority has been under the rule of governments that forced their religion on people, the stigma of which we are only just starting to shake off. You claim I argue in bad faith, when you in fact are the one arguing in bad faith.

The claim that bisexuality "is the norm" is an absurd one. If you're going to make it, you should be able to name at least one example of it actually existing to back it up. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke out your ass. Which let's be honest, that's definitely what you're doing, but that's also why I'm telling you to name a specific example because we both know you can't.

A good deal of people, who otherwise didn't think too highly of homosexuality, were willing to tolerate them regardless of their own moral beliefs out of the assumption that it was wrong to impose their morality onto others. Including religious people who sincerely consider homosexual behavior a sin.

This. The tranny shit + pushing it into the schools is really turning the worm on this stuff. Most people are willing to leave well enough alone if fags actually kept it to themselves. Start trying to push it onto people's kids and you changed the ballgame completely. Plenty of those people who were formerly willing to leave well enough alone are gonna say "okay, back in the fucking closet" if you mess with their kids.

The majority of that is coming from the bisexuality and queer category. If you look at it by subgroup, the number of gays and lesbians are roughly the same.

Source? Not saying I immediately disbelieve you, just curious. This wouldn't entirely surprise me as from what I've read about the trans phenomenon among young women, they often feel that "just" being lesbian isn't really "enough" and that they need to identify as trans or some form of genderspecial made up identity.

 

[Reluctant MC]

I'm not sure it's deep enough for a discussion, but I definitely have a hot take.

I'm fine with all four letters as long as those individuals are not criminals, STD super-spreaders, communists or complete cunts. Those things are things I hate in general. If you avoid matching that description, we could probably get along, even the dreaded T. BUT. I find it hilarious when lesbians and gays want to make themselves more likable by throwing troons under the bus. Because you can guarantee that if the attitude towards LGB wasn't more favorable, they would not be distancing themselves to this degree. You were just accepted yesterday, lol, chill out. When people wanted to hyperfocus on what's wrong with Ls and Gs, they did because they could. Those two letters have their own problems, some of which are pretty gross or disturbing.

To me you're like the fat cunts who shit on Chantal even if they're the same or slightly smaller. It's embarrassing.

 

[LikeRivenIRL]

I'm not sure it's deep enough for a discussion, but I definitely have a hot take.

I'm fine with all four letters as long as those individuals are not criminals, STD super-spreaders, communists or complete cunts. Those things are things I hate in general. If you avoid matching that description, we could probably get along, even the dreaded T. BUT. I find it hilarious when lesbians and gays want to make themselves more likable by throwing troons under the bus. Because you can guarantee that if the attitude towards LGB wasn't more favorable, they would not be distancing themselves to this degree. You were just accepted yesterday, lol, chill out. When people wanted to hyperfocus on what's wrong with Ls and Gs, they did because they could. Those two letters have their own problems, some of which are pretty gross or disturbing.

To me you're like the fat cunts who shit on Chantal even if they're the same or slightly smaller. It's embarrassing.

What's wrong with the trans lobby is that they're homophobic as fuck. The entire concept of their ideology is counter to what gays actually originally wanted from society. I don't personally mind the inclusion of T in LGBT (though the acronyms are gay af at this point), as long as it's recognised that the Ts are just Ls and Gs with hormones and surgery, because the vast majority of them are this.
The issue is when they try to deviate from this, which is the essence of their ideology. It is homophobic and dumb.
I have very little sympathy for gay people that go along blindly with the trans parade without even questioning it. If gays want to be taken seriously then those crazy trannies are the exact ones that need to be thrown under the bus, because societal perspective has been skewed on the trans issue and me giving them the benefit of the doubt by classifying them as a subset of gays doesn't cut it anymore.
As for the trannies who are same-sex attracted... That is what they are: straight, or pornsick fujoshi.

 

[Reluctant MC]

What's wrong with the trans lobby is that they're homophobic as fuck. The entire concept of their ideology is counter to what gays actually originally wanted from society. I don't personally mind the inclusion of T in LGBT (though the acronyms are gay af at this point), as long as it's recognised that the Ts are just Ls and Gs with hormones and surgery, because the vast majority of them are this.
The issue is when they try to deviate from this, which is the essence of their ideology. It is homophobic and dumb.
I have very little sympathy for gay people that go along blindly with the trans parade without even questioning it. If gays want to be taken seriously then those crazy trannies are the exact ones that need to be thrown under the bus, because societal perspective has been skewed on the trans issue and me giving them the benefit of the doubt by classifying them as a subset of gays doesn't cut it anymore.
As for the trannies who are same-sex attracted... That is what they are: straight, or pornsick fujoshi.

You should always question crazies and dismiss retards. I view trans people who are homophobic as that. But homosexuals (applies to Bs and Hs too but since the topic is homosexuality...) who are swayed or threatened by trans ideology are also retarded and weak. How can you be both certain about your sexuality and unsure whether you want to use HRT and undergo surgeries? It's because, unless you were in an extremely abusive environment when young, you're weak and retarded. Strange how gays can tell the society to fuck of when faced with homophobia and be out and proud, sometimes visibly gay, even when young, but can't maintain the same autonomy when pondering gender.

I'm sticking to my rule: Dismiss the crazies and retards. Consider the rest to be individuals and judge them accordingly.

 

[gang weeder]

You should always question crazies and dismiss retards. I view trans people who are homophobic as that. But homosexuals (applies to Bs and Hs too but since the topic is homosexuality...) who are swayed or threatened by trans ideology are also retarded and weak. How can you be both certain about your sexuality and unsure whether you want to use HRT and undergo surgeries? It's because, unless you were in an extremely abusive environment when young, you're weak and retarded. Strange how gays can tell the society to fuck of when faced with homophobia and be out and proud, sometimes visibly gay, even when young, but can't maintain the same autonomy when pondering gender.

I'm sticking to my rule: Dismiss the crazies and retards. Consider the rest to be individuals and judge them accordingly.

Among young women the tranny shit is definitely muscling out good ol' fashioned lesbianism. Women who aren't stereotypically feminine get encouraged to troon rather than simply recognizing that they're gay. I know for a fact there are also plenty of lesbians who really resent troonism due to "transbians" invading all their spaces.

 

[Lowlife Adventures]

We should treat gay people as we treat everyone else, but homosexuality itself is not something to be promoted (in the sense that you're not content with some people ending up gay due to factors beyond their control. you want there to be more gay people than this baseline amount)

Simply because it's harder to be gay. You'll have a smaller selection of people you can be in a stable relationship with, and anal sex is risky. I think it's kinder to want less people to go through that.

 

[Reluctant MC]

Among young women the tranny shit is definitely muscling out good ol' fashioned lesbianism. Women who aren't stereotypically feminine get encouraged to troon rather than simply recognizing that they're gay. I know for a fact there are also plenty of lesbians who really resent troonism due to "transbians" invading all their spaces.

Transbians are one thing but lesbians voluntarily transitioning sounds like a problem and responsibility of said lesbians. There's only so much you can do to protect impressionable people. So as soon as they're adult I couldn't give less shit.

 

[gang weeder]

Transbians are one thing but lesbians voluntarily transitioning sounds like a problem and responsibility of said lesbians. There's only so much you can do to protect impressionable people. So as soon as they're adult I couldn't give less shit.

You should read into this phenomenon of "rapid onset gender dysphoria" among young women, many (if not most) of them being minors when it takes hold. They are lonely/depressed/anxious/etc., find tranny ideology on Tumblr or wherever, and latch onto it as a solution to their problems--they are told that they are actually a man because of whatever traits they have that don't perfectly fit into a stereotypical feminine mold and/or that trooning out will solve all their mental and emotional problems.

It's similar to previous social contagions among teenage girls like cutting or anorexia, except worse because it's actively being encouraged by adults rather than recognized as harmful. These online tranny communities and "influencers" are extremely eager to "crack eggs" and will say things like "if you're not sure if you're trans, that means you are" and such. And therapists and doctors and teachers and etc. are also very eager to enable it due to the "affirmative care" standard for trannies and such.

A lot of these young women who troon out for a bit will later realize it was a mistake and come to their senses, going back to identifying as "just" a lesbian or some form of genderqueer or whatever else that doesn't involve hormones and surgery. But depending on how far down the path of troonery they went, the damage might be irreversible. Even a few months on testosterone can permanently change a woman's voice, for example. Never mind the havoc it wreaks on their reproductive system. And those who got their tits chopped off are never getting them back.

Many of them begin trooning out as minors and feel compelled to continue once they've publicly "come out" as trans and started on "T" and such, as the sunk cost fallacy sets in at that point. Turning 18 doesn't cause them to just magically realize overnight what they are doing, and dismissing the whole thing as "well it's their fault so who cares" is extremely misguided IMO. If you have a girl that was groomed for a couple years as a minor then immediately begins facing sexual exploitation the day she turns 18, you wouldn't write that off as "oh well she's legally an adult so it's her problem to deal with." Or maybe you would idk, but I think most halfway decent people wouldn't.

 

[Reluctant MC]

You should read into this phenomenon of "rapid onset gender dysphoria" among young women, many (if not most) of them being minors when it takes hold. They are lonely/depressed/anxious/etc., find tranny ideology on Tumblr or wherever, and latch onto it as a solution to their problems--they are told that they are actually a man because of whatever traits they have that don't perfectly fit into a stereotypical feminine mold and/or that trooning out will solve all their mental and emotional problems.

It's similar to previous social contagions among teenage girls like cutting or anorexia, except worse because it's actively being encouraged by adults rather than recognized as harmful. These online tranny communities and "influencers" are extremely eager to "crack eggs" and will say things like "if you're not sure if you're trans, that means you are" and such. And therapists and doctors and teachers and etc. are also very eager to enable it due to the "affirmative care" standard for trannies and such.

A lot of these young women who troon out for a bit will later realize it was a mistake and come to their senses, going back to identifying as "just" a lesbian or some form of genderqueer or whatever else that doesn't involve hormones and surgery. But depending on how far down the path of troonery they went, the damage might be irreversible. Even a few months on testosterone can permanently change a woman's voice, for example. Never mind the havoc it wreaks on their reproductive system. And those who got their tits chopped off are never getting them back.

Many of them begin trooning out as minors and feel compelled to continue once they've publicly "come out" as trans and started on "T" and such, as the sunk cost fallacy sets in at that point. Turning 18 doesn't cause them to just magically realize overnight what they are doing, and dismissing the whole thing as "well it's their fault so who cares" is extremely misguided IMO. If you have a girl that was groomed for a couple years as a minor then immediately begins facing sexual exploitation the day she turns 18, you wouldn't write that off as "oh well she's legally an adult so it's her problem to deal with." Or maybe you would idk, but I think most halfway decent people wouldn't.

At some point you take the diaper off of the toddler even if there's a chance it'll shit itself once or twice before it learns to wear pants. I know about ROGD and if I had a daughter I would do my best to raise her to be a strong person; for the rest it's like I said, 18 and above -> don't care, the diaper is off. The best you can do is have kids and raise them well, maybe vote against kids transitioning. The rest is up to individuals and their parents raising them well. You also can't stop selfharm by talking about it and you won't prevent them from developing eating disorders even if you showed them pictures of happy fat women all day every day. Sad teens are creative and will always find a way to hurt themselves no matter what adults do when they're unwell. And teen brains are wired towards mental health issues more than adult brains.

 

[gang weeder]

At some point you take the diaper off of the toddler even if there's a chance it'll shit itself once or twice before it learns to wear pants. I know about ROGD and if I had a daughter I would do my best to raise her to be a strong person; for the rest it's like I said, 18 and above -> don't care, the diaper is off. The best you can do is have kids and raise them well, maybe vote against kids transitioning. The rest is up to individuals and their parents raising them well. You also can't stop selfharm by talking about it and you won't prevent them from developing eating disorders even if you showed them pictures of happy fat women all day every day. Sad teens are creative and will always find a way to hurt themselves no matter what adults do when they're unwell. And teen brains are wired towards mental health issues more than adult brains.

Yeah I kind've figured you would take the "it's their problem so it literally doesn't matter" angle. Again, I compare this to dismissing a victim of domestic abuse with "well, she was an adult, it's her problem." I know you can get away with having the "nothing matters" attitude here on the farms but if you were being honest you'd recognize that in real life people actually do have a duty to protect vulnerable individuals.

 

[Vingle]

I find it hilarious when lesbians and gays want to make themselves more likable by throwing troons under the bus. Because you can guarantee that if the attitude towards LGB wasn't more favorable, they would not be distancing themselves to this degree. You were just accepted yesterday, lol, chill out.

As a fag, that does not want to associate with other fags. Other than the few based one here one the farms, because even here. We have some that deserves to be gassed.
I do not remember when I have asked to be liked by anyone. So maybe cut back a bit with the bs?
I still hate blacks even if the majority (normies) does it. So I think I would still hate troons even if they behaved themselves. Oh no, I reject Blair White and the others on "our side".

To me you're like the fat cunts who shit on Chantal even if they're the same or slightly smaller. It's embarrassing.

Are you playing retarded, or are you actually this way?

 

[Reluctant MC]

Are you playing retarded, or are you actually this way?

Born this way, baby

 

[snailslime]

Yeah I kind've figured you would take the "it's their problem so it literally doesn't matter" angle. Again, I compare this to dismissing a victim of domestic abuse with "well, she was an adult, it's her problem." I know you can get away with having the "nothing matters" attitude here on the farms but if you were being honest you'd recognize that in real life people actually do have a duty to protect vulnerable individuals.

says the rape apologist

go have straight sex and stop bitching about gays and women 24/7. maybe you'd stop being a miserable incel