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Coffee Druid

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I wonder how attractive I am to the same sex. (I'm a bi woman for background). I don't feel that attractive personally, but it's kind of statistically guaranteed that some men out there will find me attractive. But with women, I've never had any lady tell me I'm cute. I don't know a ton of lesbians or bi women and don't really go to lgbt club-type places so that may be why. I just wonder if I'm any of their types.

This probably sounds very cringy. But I'm just musing.

On another topic my parents really got (...lucky?) with their kids. They got a straight kid, a gay one, and a bi one.
 
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I wonder how attractive I am to the same sex. (I'm a bi woman for background). I don't feel that attractive personally, but it's kind of statistically guaranteed that some men out there will find me attractive. But with women, I've never had any lady tell me I'm cute. I don't know a ton of lesbians or bi women and don't really go to lgbt club-type places so that may be why. I just wonder if I'm any of their types.
You aren't attractive to other women because women aren't attractive to women. Women who claim to be attracted to other women are totally lying and lesbians are 100% faking it.
 

Coffee Druid

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You aren't attractive to other women because women aren't attractive to women. Women who claim to be attracted to other women are totally lying and lesbians are 100% faking it.
Heh. Okay dude/tte. You tell yourself that. I'll go on liking pretty ladies.

I noticed you only mention women. Do you think the same about gay/bi men?

(Edit: It's not quite the same, but you sound like someone who hates a certain food so you say that no one else likes it either and anyone who does is lying.)
 
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I wonder how attractive I am to the same sex. (I'm a bi woman for background). I don't feel that attractive personally, but it's kind of statistically guaranteed that some men out there will find me attractive. But with women, I've never had any lady tell me I'm cute. I don't know a ton of lesbians or bi women and don't really go to lgbt club-type places so that may be why. I just wonder if I'm any of their types.

This probably sounds very cringy. But I'm just musing.
You might just "look straight." People make out like this is a "Those dumb straights!" thing, but I've been told by multiple bisexual and lesbian women that they never would have guessed I wasn't straight because of it, although I've still not been able to work out how I look straight.

I think a lot of people are reluctant to hit on people they don't know for certain or strongly supect aren't straight for fear of someone who is straight being a dickhead about it. Going to a gay bar would definitely be your best bet on that front. From having hung around the LGBTQ scene a lot, I find it highly unlikely you're just not attractive to any women.
 

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Heh. Okay dude/tte. You tell yourself that. I'll go on liking pretty ladies.

I noticed you only mention women. Do you think the same about gay/bi men?

(Edit: It's not quite the same, but you sound like someone who hates a certain food so you say that no one else likes it either and anyone who does is lying.)
It's probably bait, but it does say a lot about the naivety of a person when they are unironically certain about something they have zero perspective on.

Some people hit puberty and spend the rest of their lives wanting gay sex and some don't. The reality of that experience isn't really a debate for the former.
 
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Coffee Druid

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It's probably bait, but it does say a lot about the naivety of a person who is unironically certain about something they have zero perspective on.

Some people hit puberty and spend the rest of their lives wanting gay sex and some don't. The reality of that experience isn't really a debate for the former.
Yeah. I only replied once, maybe twice since it won’t get anywhere with ‘em. I know people in real life like that though, who think “being bi isn’t real/you’re lying for attention/etc.” It’s a thing. But with things like who I’m attracted to, my own personal experience kind of trumps someone else telling me about myself. It’s not even a major part of my identity. Liking both sexes is like liking salmon or cheesecake or whatever. It’s my personal taste.
 
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Yeah. I only replied once, maybe twice since it won’t get anywhere with ‘em. I know people in real life like that though, who think “being bi isn’t real/you’re lying for attention/etc.” It’s a thing. But with things like who I’m attracted to, my own personal experience kind of trumps someone else telling me about myself. It’s not even a major part of my identity. Liking both sexes is like liking salmon or cheesecake or whatever. It’s my personal taste.
Yeah plus there is a great way not to hear about bi not being real, bi just for attention and what have you, not talk about it. I don't mean be in a closet, just be normal about dating and sex. Most people don't talk about these topics that much and even then they don't start it by stating their sexuality. Sure be honest when people ask or bi is relevant to the conversation but generally just let it go. It doesn't matter if people don't know what you want sleep with unless you want to sleep with them. It's mostly irrelevant fact about you like what type of underwear you prefer to wear.
 

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I know I do a lot of shitposting on here, but this is not that. I have a genuine inquiry about something that has troubled me ever since I moved to the United States, for US-residing homosexuals.


One of the many (many many) reasons I and my husband moved to the United States was fear as gay men of facing legitimate persecution under the courts. My country of origin still treats same-sex intercourse as a major crime, with frightening punishments ranging from mandatory sterilization to imprisonment and even in at least one extreme case in the last decade death.

This has bred a very close-knit and discreet homosexual community, even across the male-female line, where people are (for lack of a better word) protective of one another's physical safety regardless of political affiliation or ideological bent. I had expected when we moved here to find the homosexual community similar in nature, but instead it seems very rigidly divided; Moreover, political allegiance seems king above all. And I'm just sort of confused by all of this. Out of all the cultural changes I've had to experience with becoming a US citizen, this one has been the most perplexing.

How did the community in the United States develop to have ended up this way? Why is being a Democrat (or an SJW?) treated as a requirement to be homosexual? Why do lesbians here seem to outright despise gays, and vice versa, when at the very least logically there should be patient ambivalence between the two?
 

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I know I do a lot of shitposting on here, but this is not that. I have a genuine inquiry about something that has troubled me ever since I moved to the United States, for US-residing homosexuals.


One of the many (many many) reasons I and my husband moved to the United States was fear as gay men of facing legitimate persecution under the courts. My country of origin still treats same-sex intercourse as a major crime, with frightening punishments ranging from mandatory sterilization to imprisonment and even in at least one extreme case in the last decade death.

This has bred a very close-knit and discreet homosexual community, even across the male-female line, where people are (for lack of a better word) protective of one another's physical safety regardless of political affiliation or ideological bent. I had expected when we moved here to find the homosexual community similar in nature, but instead it seems very rigidly divided; Moreover, political allegiance seems king above all. And I'm just sort of confused by all of this. Out of all the cultural changes I've had to experience with becoming a US citizen, this one has been the most perplexing.

How did the community in the United States develop to have ended up this way? Why is being a Democrat (or an SJW?) treated as a requirement to be homosexual? Why do lesbians here seem to outright despise gays, and vice versa, when at the very least logically there should be patient ambivalence between the two?
I can answer the bolded part: Because, until very recently, the party line for Republicans was that homosexuals are perverted degenerates and nearly-universally pedophiles as well, and that they should be (at best) completely socially ostracized and prosecuted for sodomy and at worst be chemically castrated or given ice-pick lobotomies. In short, many Republican lawmakers wanted America to have laws like your home country does regarding same-sex activity, and fought against said laws being repealed. Because of this history, to many in the community, a homosexual Republican is a moral hypocrite who supports the persecution of other members of the community. Would a member of your community still protect another member's physical safety if it came out he was reporting members of the community to the government for being homosexual? The reasoning is along those lines.
 

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I know I do a lot of shitposting on here, but this is not that. I have a genuine inquiry about something that has troubled me ever since I moved to the United States, for US-residing homosexuals.


One of the many (many many) reasons I and my husband moved to the United States was fear as gay men of facing legitimate persecution under the courts. My country of origin still treats same-sex intercourse as a major crime, with frightening punishments ranging from mandatory sterilization to imprisonment and even in at least one extreme case in the last decade death.

This has bred a very close-knit and discreet homosexual community, even across the male-female line, where people are (for lack of a better word) protective of one another's physical safety regardless of political affiliation or ideological bent. I had expected when we moved here to find the homosexual community similar in nature, but instead it seems very rigidly divided; Moreover, political allegiance seems king above all. And I'm just sort of confused by all of this. Out of all the cultural changes I've had to experience with becoming a US citizen, this one has been the most perplexing.

How did the community in the United States develop to have ended up this way? Why is being a Democrat (or an SJW?) treated as a requirement to be homosexual? Why do lesbians here seem to outright despise gays, and vice versa, when at the very least logically there should be patient ambivalence between the two?
I'm probably not the most qualified to answer this question seeing as I'm not "in the life" and more of an outsider looking in, but to answer why the community, as a whole or in part, ties their LGBTness to politics, and to democratic politics in general, its really goes back to its long history as an ostensibly political movement, as much as it was just a community of like-minded individuals. The political branch of the alphabet community has long been intertwined with far-leftist politics in America, much like the feminist movement. Socialists, Communists, anarchists, sex positive thinkers, and the like, were staunch supporters of the liberalization of laws and societal viewpoints towards homosexuals, at least in most cases, and this is going all the way back to the hippies.

The Democrats needed a new hustle once supporting segregation stopped being politically correct, and began to embrace leftism and leftist social causes in general, from women's lib, to minority rights, even though it was mostly playing lip service to these issues. Now it took awhile for Democrats as a whole to cotton on to the alphabet shit since, contrary to popular belief, most traditional democrat voters, such as white blue collar workers, blacks, Latinos, and the like, don't brook with that gay shit. But by the time Obama lit up the White House in rainbow colors, the Alphabet Mafia were well and truly entrenched. Most modern Alphabet Mafia pressure groups, like GLAAD, are firmly Left Wing, indoctrinated as they are in Leftist ideology by a thoroughly left leaning school system/academia and Left leaning pop culture that has generally been rather out right supportive of "LGBT rights" for at least the last 30 to 40 years. These LGBT organizations are the unspoken gatekeepers of the LGBT subculture, and they have a lot pull in media and entertainment, who champion their viewpoints and dare not oppose them; Cultural Marxism at work.

On the other hand, the Republican Party has always tended towards the right and conservatism. If the Democrats don't brook with that gay shit, the Republicans REALLY aren't down with that gay shit. One can probably say it goes all the way back to the "religious right" of the 1980s, but the religious right is honestly not nearly as powerful or unified as it once was. Overall, the Republican focus, especially at the grass roots, has moved away from social "wedge" issues and more towards economic ones, so much that the ground level of the party is taking a more libertarian sentiment, and direct opposition to the neo-liberal, neo-conservative bent of the party leadership. The Democrats, however have been very snide in how they've handled this, turning the LGBT issue into a wedge issue to constantly beat the Republicans down with, and have snidely placed themselves as being on "the right side of history" of this issue, even going to far to compare it to the civil rights movement (which the Democrats also try best to hide that they opposed). See, for instance, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell": when Congress passed it, it had bipartisan support when Bill Fucking Clinton signed it into law, and at least some Democratic senators, most notably Sam Nunn of Georgia, openly opposed allowing gays to serve in the military at all. Now, you will be hard pressed to find any Democrat politician admitting they supported it, and almost nobody remembers that arch-conservative Barry Motherfucking Goldwater actually supported allowing openly gay, lesbian, and bisexual people to serve. But the Democrats have since latched onto the LGBT community, while the Republicans generally were not amenable to the Alphabet Mafia's demands.

That doesn't mean that there aren't conservative or even Republican LGBT people. The Log Cabin Republicans, for instance, are a group of openly gay Republicans. Many gays don't support the demands of the modern day Alphabet Mafia, or don't define themselves by their sexuality, and thus hold other conservative ideals, like economic conservatism, to be more important, so they support the Republican Party. But these people and their voices have been marginalized by the Alphabet Mafia, and the Republican Party has done precious little to signal boost such voices. What has happened to the LGBT community is the same thing that happened to the Black community: the Democrats came in, pretended to cater to their interests, got their allies and cronies to engage in gaslighting the opposition, and turned supporting them into being part of the "identity", despite their actual lack of care for the community.