Sex work isnt empowering - Literal whore becomes an even bigger attention whore

Niggaplease

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So I used to hang out a lot on r\gender critical because that was the sub that redpilled me on liberal feminism. Now that's gone, in the dust. I mind as well share this one deep revelation.
Liberal feminism has gotten feminism wrong. Why you may ask? because of corruption from deviants and troons. What started off as a good thing turned to shit the minute sexual deviants tried to use it as banner to justify deviancy. The sexual revolution, was never about women. It doesn't make sense in regards to feminism, how does engaging in behaviors that benefit men in general equal empowering?
My thoughts on sex work is it isn't empowering as people claim to be. How can I say because at one point I chose to engage in it, yet others are forced into it, that my choice is empowering? I mean yes at some point I did chose to do it freely. Yes the nature of my niche meant instead of me being the object of subjugation and humiliation the role was switched to the client. One can argue that the fact I was in the domination scene, that my choice was empowered. Yet my case is the exception not the rule. Despite power dynamic I held I was still objectified. Little more than a fetish dispenser, even if I was the controller. How can that be considered feminist? What's even worse is those screaming for sex work to be accepted, fail to see that not everyone goes in willingly. Who legitimately wakes up one day and thinks, I'm going to do something degrading for work, and not have an underlying issue. A lot of women suffer from issues, like lack of money, or drug addiction. it's a system that churns and burns through women.A system despite its sacredness to the left leaves a myriad of problems. I serves only men not women, yet to criticize it is misgyonistic. Liberal feminism fails because it puts feelings above reality. That would eventually be our undoing.
Liberal feminism needs to drop intersectionality, and divorce themselves from social justice if they want succeed. Radical feminism only dwells on the problem never a solution. All they're currently doing is making problems worse.
 

Johan Schmidt

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The solution is antithetical to radical feminism; so of course they only dwell on the problem. It's the same for the 'gay conservatives' that complain about moral decay but don't offer anything in terms of how to reverse the issue. A strong and healthy family dynamic raises healthy children that become healthy adults who go on to be productive members of society.

Radfems don't like the family part because it includes men and boys.
 

Niggaplease

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Pfft, I only feel empowered after being used for my body that will fade in a decade or two, and ignored for any actual worth as a person I might have.

Putting people down is the only way to bring anyone up, yanno?
it's a lie most women have bought.
The solution is antithetical to radical feminism; so of course they only dwell on the problem. It's the same for the 'gay conservatives' that complain about moral decay but don't offer anything in terms of how to reverse the issue. A strong and healthy family dynamic raises healthy children that become healthy adults who go on to be productive members of society.

Radfems don't like the family part because it includes men and boys.
yup and liberal feminism is all about sex and sucking patriarchy's cock as a means of empowerment.
 

Ivan Shatov

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Dated a girl once who turned out to be a whore.

She had an ivy league degree, super smart and I never would have suspected. Thought she worked in medical claims.

She actually danced at a strip club while she was waiting for her ex-Marine boyfriend to get out of prison for beating her. She had an insane attachment and totally degraded herself to be with him.

He got out of jail and followed her coming to my house. He beat the shit out of me for being with her, thought I was going to die. We found out she'd been whoring because I'd never given her any money, but she had like $200k in their joint bank account. It wasn't coming from the stripping.

He went back to jail shortly after that. She sent me all these texts apologizing for what he did, but I never spoke to her again.
 

Johan Schmidt

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yup and liberal feminism is all about sex and sucking patriarchy's cock as a means of empowerment.
I disagree, the sex positive thing is a symptom rather than an end. It's an easy path to power through corporate means. Sex sells, sexual empowerment and the alienation of men by turning sex into a hostile gatekeeping action on behalf of women rather than a positive one does little more than empower companies and give women the illusion of power.

I'm no feminist ally; but I do agree with a lot of what someone like Greer has to say (especially re; the trannies) about the nuclear family where she notes that the consumerist, isolated structure of it is not healthy for women (or for men, or fucking anyone!).
 

Bloitzhole

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I always figured the liberal leftist / feminist position is more along the lines of "Don't outlaw it, since it's always gonna be a thing, but make sure it's as safe for those that do it as possible", but that might just be my skewered european perspective (fx any sort of "pimping" is illegal where I usually live, all sex workers have to be self employed, regular medial checks etc).
Never heard anything about liberating. Got any links or screencaps to that nonsense perchance? I'd love to see how they try to argue "liberation".
 

Johan Schmidt

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Actually to slightly suck Greers clit some more.
She raises the idea at 9:45 that in the modern world the only way girls can seemingly have a good time is to go out and be a tramp; men don't date anymore so there's no male/female dynamic in the act of going out, but rather that it's groups of women going out with predatory men acting to take advantage of that dearth of options for girls. I think that in a microcosm is the cause of sex work being seen as 'empowering' or glamorous. It's part of a larger problem within society that we don't have healthy outlets for girls and boys, men or women.

What we have is the intrusion of both spaces into each others. Women are expected to just get on and be equal to the lads, they can go out and get shitfaced and there shouldn't be a risk, they can engage in seedy actions and there isn't a risk or much harm (men also shouldn't be using sex works btw, don't do that shit.). Men consume porn, so of course it should be fine if women star in it, it's HEALTHY!; and so on. Modern feminist thought has become warped to see men and women as absolute equals rather than broadening the horizons of women away from a male sphere. So you get the bizarre situation of anti feminist mindsets like my own being centred around removing women from male spheres starting with the most degernate aspects.

Women should not be in porn because porn is bad for you regardless of gender, same for sex work, same for combat, or sewer work. But the reality is that someone has to do it; and masculinity acts as a preparation for performing these jobs. (Not the porn or sex work part) Where myself and Greer differ of course is that I also believe in the encompassing power of the state, limitations on speech and action and that men and women have a duty to the state to have good, healthy families.
 

Niggaplease

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I always figured the liberal leftist / feminist position is more along the lines of "Don't outlaw it, since it's always gonna be a thing, but make sure it's as safe for those that do it as possible", but that might just be my skewered european perspective (fx any sort of "pimping" is illegal where I usually live, all sex workers have to be self employed, regular medial checks etc).
Never heard anything about liberating. Got any links or screencaps to that nonsense perchance? I'd love to see how they try to argue "liberation".
most of my libfem friends are all about it. Like I written this post today because for the 100th time I've heard from one of my friends gone on about how much money she made fucking horse dildos.
I disagree, the sex positive thing is a symptom rather than an end. It's an easy path to power through corporate means. Sex sells, sexual empowerment and the alienation of men by turning sex into a hostile gatekeeping action on behalf of women rather than a positive one does little more than empower companies and give women the illusion of power.

I'm no feminist ally; but I do agree with a lot of what someone like Greer has to say (especially re; the trannies) about the nuclear family where she notes that the consumerist, isolated structure of it is not healthy for women (or for men, or fucking anyone!).
yeah I agree nuclear family can solve some of the issues it doesn't cover all aspects such as human trafficking.
 

Johan Schmidt

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yeah I agree nuclear family can solve some of the issues it doesn't cover all aspects such as human trafficking.
I am not advocating for the nuclear family. I think the nuclear structure is bad for the family and only good for modern capital. I would advocate for an extended family unit; as it provides a strong support network for men and women and acts a shame/approval system to curtail bad behaviour. Ideally this would be backed by the state as well which would offer support for men and women; but also act to curtail behaviour.

Human trafficking is an issue of economy and criminality (which likely feed into one another); human trafficking is generally Poor nation ---> rich nation, and poor area ---> rich area. Even when done on ethnic lines ala Rotheram it followed a pattern of lower income girls being exploited. If you're a rich country then it's women being brought into your nation which you can probably curtail by just not letting people enter the country; and then tracking the ones that do, and if you're a poorer country then have the police hang human traffickers, and engage in programs to locate and root out the gangs of them. Crime limiting measures.
 
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