Sex work isnt empowering - Literal whore becomes an even bigger attention whore

[Lemmingwise]

Some people love drinking piss, some people think it's normal to lose your virginity to a goat, some people feel nothing negative about killing others.

Yeah, but no normal people do. These are all very extreme and rare deviances. Deviances to a norm don't disprove the norm. If the deviances are more common than the norm, than they are the norm and the previous norm would be the deviance.

The example about servants doesn't work either, because if they do whatever you ask, you can ask them to fuck off and never come back, so it still isn't degrading towards the person who is offered that service. You can try to twist language and meaning in that way, but you will not reach deeper understanding, you will only lessen the meaning of the words and our ability to describe things.

 

[💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗]

Yeah, but no normal people do. These are all very extreme and rare deviances. Deviances to a norm don't disprove the norm. If the deviances are more common than the norm, than they are the norm and the previous norm would be the deviance.

The example about servants doesn't work either, because if they do whatever you ask, you can ask them to fuck off and never come back, so it still isn't degrading towards the person who is offered that service. You can try to twist language and meaning in that way, but you will not reach deeper understanding, you will only lessen the meaning of the words and our ability to describe things.

What does normalcy have to do with it? You said it is fundamentally wrong to claim drinking piss can be empowering. Perhaps those who feel empowered by it are not the norm, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Same thing with sex workers who find their job empowering.

 

[Lemmingwise]

What does normalcy have to do with it? You said it is fundamentally wrong to claim drinking piss can be empowering. Perhaps those who feel empowered by it are not the norm, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Same thing with sex workers who find their job empowering.

Your entire arguments rests on "if it feels that way, it is that way". Even the definition doesn't say that.

There are two reasons why resting such things purely on emotion doesn't work, including for the sex workers that you allude to.

First, humans are a very social species and as a result, it isn't only our own opinion that matters, it's also the group opinion that matters (even when we say, or try not to care about that of others). So if most people think something is degrading, it will be degrading in the sense that you either have to hide it from people, or they will think worse of you and treat you worse, in the end disempowering/degrading the person. This quickly catches up with "sex workers" and they usually end up paying a high price for it that they had not calculated beforehand. Same thing with internet personalities like gavin or amazing atheist and putting things up their ass in a video. They may think that they don't care, that they're sexually liberated, that the act is empowering, but it's not and the self-debasement will follow them for a long time, as it has.

Second, even when more isolated, there are a lot of things that humans think they can do or manage, but when they get right to it, the inner monkey and it's more primitive emotional circuit takes over and it does not care about any modern definitions of liberated sexuality, or the glory of golden showers. They know that piss is dirty and drinking the piss of another in their presence, is a debasing act that neither will ever forget and will change the social dynamic between those two permanently, no matter how much they assure each other beforehand that it wouldn't. The subconscious starts to leak out.

You can see the same with this internet whore and how she wrote about her former client. It's not hard to spot her disgust. It doesn't matter that they played roles where she was dominating them, because they both knew that they were paying and she was receiving and that's the essential dynamic. She had to fulfill what they wanted. If she didn't please them, they wouldn't come back. They were getting off on things. She was helping them get off.

So that's what normalcy has to do with it. That you live in a society with other humans. And you live in a body with a human brain and all it's evolutionary and primitive paths that are deeper than anything we can reason out.

 

[Niggaplease]

Is there some reason that this has to be two separate jobs anyway? They already have those uniforms. Why can't hospitals expand their services? Same with flight attendants.

Also, I see the ape prostitute threads have been OY VEY SHUT DOWN. Looks like the System doesn't want us considering certain options. This is not the stuff of science fiction, but a part of the very real world we all occupy.

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I can see that if sex was declared a fundamental human right and like medicine got involved in that shit. I remember watching an aussie whore on YouTube talk about how she fucked cripples and tards. She kept going on waxing romantic how it was so positive. Like okay she found a niche and started to profit on it, good on her for that, but it still doesn't change that your fucking cripples and tards. Her services must cost them at least a good quater of their monthly tug boat. If not financially exploitive can a tard really consent to sex? Why does a cripple have to pay for help so they can fuck? I mean that pissed me off. I hate it when they glaze over something inherently exploitive as empowering. I can respect honesty.
What I did? maybe exploitive. May be but I'm not proud of it either.

 

[schizoid PD]

Is there some reason that this has to be two separate jobs anyway? They already have those uniforms. Why can't hospitals expand their services? Same with flight attendants.

Also, I see the ape prostitute threads have been OY VEY SHUT DOWN. Looks like the System doesn't want us considering certain options. This is not the stuff of science fiction, but a part of the very real world we all occupy.

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It's quite interesting reading up on the subject.

 

[Getting tard comed]

probably wouldn't be able to afford it.

Try me, bet I surprise you sweet cheeks

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The second definition refers to emotions. You're asking me to argue how feelings can vary from person to person. Some people love drinking piss, some people think it's normal to lose your virginity to a goat, some people feel nothing negative about killing others. Emotions vary from person to person and they are not set in stone.

If a spiritual leader told his followers his piss was ambrosia, many would drink it and feel empowered doing so. Having servants can seem degrading to people who think it's lazy to let others do chores you could do yourself.

Comes down to whether you believe in objective morality/ethics or if you think everything is subjective. I'd wager getting pissed on and drinking it is objectively degrading and anyone thinking that's empowering is copeing the fuck out of that situation. Feel free to disagree.

 

[Niggaplease]

It's quite interesting reading up on the subject.

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See there has to be something about aussies healthcare that makes literal whoring a better prospect. most of the time in the USA it's the other way around.

 

[schizoid PD]

See there has to be something about aussies healthcare that makes literal whoring a better prospect. most of the time in the USA it's the other way around.

Because Nevada is the only state that allows legal Prostitution. In Australia is pretty much legal everywhere. There's a brothel in every major industrial district. Plus high class ones in the cities. They get protection by the law, and medical checkups.

 

[💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗]

First, humans are a very social species and as a result, it isn't only our own opinion that matters, it's also the group opinion that matters (even when we say, or try not to care about that of others). So if most people think something is degrading, it will be degrading in the sense that you either have to hide it from people, or they will think worse of you and treat you worse, in the end disempowering/degrading the person. This quickly catches up with "sex workers" and they usually end up paying a high price for it that they had not calculated beforehand. Same thing with internet personalities like gavin or amazing atheist and putting things up their ass in a video. They may think that they don't care, that they're sexually liberated, that the act is empowering, but it's not and the self-debasement will follow them for a long time, as it has.

If what is degrading depends on what others think, all it takes to make anything not degrading is to change other people's minds. Therefore, someone highly charismatic could convince a crowd that drinking piss makes them great. For people with autism, most things would be degrading because they have trouble understanding how to please the crowd.

Second, even when more isolated, there are a lot of things that humans think they can do or manage, but when they get right to it, the inner monkey and it's more primitive emotional circuit takes over and it does not care about any modern definitions of liberated sexuality, or the glory of golden showers. They know that piss is dirty and drinking the piss of another in their presence, is a debasing act that neither will ever forget and will change the social dynamic between those two permanently, no matter how much they assure each other beforehand that it wouldn't. The subconscious starts to leak out.

You can see the same with this internet whore and how she wrote about her former client. It's not hard to spot her disgust. It doesn't matter that they played roles where she was dominating them, because they both knew that they were paying and she was receiving and that's the essential dynamic. She had to fulfill what they wanted. If she didn't please them, they wouldn't come back. They were getting off on things. She was helping them get off.

So that's what normalcy has to do with it. That you live in a society with other humans. And you live in a body with a human brain and all it's evolutionary and primitive paths that are deeper than anything we can reason out.

The inner monkey does not work the same way for everyone and it can somewhat be controlled. How do coroners get over the primal disgust most humans have to slicing up dead bodies? How are soldiers able to kill when to most of us, it's a repulsive act?

Try me, bet I surprise you sweet cheeks

I'll send you pictures of my toenail clippings for you to worship if you give me a million dollars, bby.

If not financially exploitive can a tard really consent to sex?

That depends on how retarded we're talking. Many can voice their opinion.

Why does a cripple have to pay for help so they can fuck?

Because nobody would fuck them for free except maybe other tards. They're gross.

 

[Lemmingwise]

See there has to be something about aussies healthcare that makes literal whoring a better prospect. most of the time in the USA it's the other way around.

It's more left wing. More socialised.

what is degrading depends on what others think, all it takes to make anything not degrading is to change other people's minds. Therefore, someone highly charismatic could convince a crowd that drinking piss makes them great

A lot of factors go into it, it's not "just what others think", but it's an important component.

Of course your example does happen. It's a good point. People are frequently willing to debase themselves for highly charismatic people, like the people that murdered for Charles Manson. Or any low level scientologist that gives all their belongings and just soends all life trying to recruit people on the street.

But there comes a time in most people's lives when they are no longer part of that group. And then it'll be a badge of shame.

Particularly things like drinking piss.

How are soldiers able to kill when to most of us, it's a repulsive act

They aren't really though. Even drone operators, who are very far removed from seeing, hearing and smelling the death they cause have high rates of PTSD and suicide. There is a pact between hollywood and the US army. Leaks have shown that even lighthearted jokes about suicide in context related to combat are removed at request. So even the people who are trained and focused on it, the subconscious comes leaking out.

It's true that the inner monkey is not exactly the same for each, huge genetic differences as well as personality differences (not all animals have personality differences, it seems to be an evolved trait of social creatures). Some soldiers do have no difficulty with killing. But you have no way of knowing unless you do it and the damage you may do to yourself is permanent.

It not being the same for each also does not mean it can be whatever you want or that there aren't observable trends.

Much like whoring, it's high risk behaviour. The US army doesn't want you to know that besides the risk of death, there is also the risk of permanent mental damage when everything in the missions goes as planned. Same thing with the pimps and prostitution.

 

[FunPosting101]

Much like whoring, it's high risk behaviour. The US army doesn't want you to know that besides the risk of death, there is also the risk of permanent mental damage when everything in the missions goes as planned. Same thing with the pimps and prostitution.

Whoring is only high risk if the whore in question either won't or can't have her customers use condoms when they fuck. Comparing the mental trauma that comes from being in combat with the supposed trauma that comes from exchanging a service(in this case, sex)for money is almost as dumb as thinking prostitution and porn should be illegal in the first place.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Whoring is only high risk if the whore in question either won't or can't have her customers use condoms when they fuck. Comparing the mental trauma that comes from being in combat with the supposed trauma that comes from exchanging a service(in this case, sex)for money is almost as dumb as thinking prostitution and porn should be illegal in the first place.

If you think the only risk of "sex work" is STD's, you're as naive as thinking that just asking a John to use a condom eliminates all risk if STDs. Try to think about it for a second or two. What are the unique risks of these lines of work that you don't experience elsewhere?

Seriously, try to answer the question. Assume an 18 or 19 year old girl is asking you for advice on what the risks are for let's say, working in a brothel with security to pay for college.

What would the considerations be that you included in your advice? What would the risk analysis look like?

 

[FunPosting101]

If you think the only risk of "sex work" is STD's, you're as naive as thinking that just asking a John to use a condom eliminates all risk if STDs. Try to think about it for a second or two. What are the unique risks of these lines of work that you don't experience elsewhere?

Seriously, try to answer the question. Assume an 18 or 19 year old girl is asking you for advice on what the risks are for let's say, working in a brothel with security to pay for college.

What would the considerations be that you included in your advice? What would the risk analysis look like?

Condoms eliminate the most serious STD risk, HIV/AIDs. Legal prostitution has the same sort of "unique" risks that other jobs which involve popularity involve, stalkers and shit like that. You negate a lot of that risk by owning a firearm and knowing how and when to use it.

 

[HonestJohn2376]

That doesn't matter, really, because only the best rise to the top, and the men who are in the affairs of government are the best. To what is best for me, it's better to Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury to the empire has risen to the top. I was impressed.

First, that's not even the issue. @Terrorist claims women don't have as much agency as men because they are more easily "brainwashed" into having foolish opinions (presumably on average). The Internet easily disproves that claim.

Second, the men running the government are the best? Are you serious? And why are we changing the idea from averages to the few elites?

But do well-informed women with good judgement exist in any sphere of human life?

I don't know. Do such men exist? I doubt it.

 

[melty]

First, that's not even the issue. @Terrorist claims women don't have as much agency as men because they are more easily "brainwashed" into having foolish opinions (presumably on average). The Internet easily disproves that claim.

Second, the men running the government are the best? Are you serious? And why are we changing the idea from averages to the few elites?



I don't know. Do such men exist? I doubt it.

Evolutionarily speaking, men are more likely to be risk-takers, while women are more likely to go with the flow and do what is "safe." So you should actually have more men making dipshit risky decisions.
In my personal experience, maybe women make more bad decisions. It's hard to tell. You can also argue a lot of those bad decisions still fall into the "safe, go with the flow" category. Staying with a shitty partner is a known risk. You have the entire feminist media telling women sex work is a really smart way to build a nest egg, and a lot of them do it because friends/influencers are doing it., ie going with the flow.

 

[DumbDude42]

Evolutionarily speaking, men are more likely to be risk-takers, while women are more likely to go with the flow and do what is "safe." So you should actually have more men making dipshit risky decisions.
In my personal experience, maybe women make more bad decisions. It's hard to tell. You can also argue a lot of those bad decisions still fall into the "safe, go with the flow" category. Staying with a shitty partner is a known risk. You have the entire feminist media telling women sex work is a really smart way to build a nest egg, and a lot of them do it because friends/influencers are doing it., ie going with the flow.

this fits my experiences too
men are much more likely than women to randomly come up with and act on ludicrous nonsense ideas
women on the other hand are much more easy to influence and convince to go along with dumb shit than men, especially if the people doing the convincing are part of the popular/cool kids

 

[Kitsuna]

It's a bit of a stretch video, but I think it summed it up as best as it could on why sex work is quite problematic.

 

[formershroomeryuser]

It definitely sucks when the job you think is so empowering is suddenly not empowering at all. Nothing worst in life. Unfortunate but I guess in America if fucking for money does bring you the sense of empowerment you desire then you must seek other empowering careers such as buying and fixing and reselling dilapidated properties or being the head chef of a famous kitchen or perhaps working in the film industry. Perhaps you can find the sexual rush you need in these industries. If not IDK but clearly the career you currently thought was major empowering is not and its a bummer but time to switch trades. Real talk

 

[Niggaplease]

It definitely sucks when the job you think is so empowering is suddenly not empowering at all. Nothing worst in life. Unfortunate but I guess in America if fucking for money does bring you the sense of empowerment you desire then you must seek other empowering careers such as buying and fixing and reselling dilapidated properties or being the head chef of a famous kitchen or perhaps working in the film industry. Perhaps you can find the sexual rush you need in these industries. If not IDK but clearly the career you currently thought was major empowering is not and its a bummer but time to switch trades. Real talk

oh but I did switch trades, I used a majority of my funds that wasn't taken to put me through nurse school. Financial aid wasn't enough I had to buy equipment text books. I remember not eating for a week because the semester was starting and I needed books. Empowering isn't selling your body, empowering is lifting yourself up going through blood sweat and tears facing hunger and sometimes despair I even sacrificed my health to rise above the shitty lot life dealt me. I remember when I was young I wanted to be a historian specializing in Egypt. I wanted to discover new artifacts. but my life for a time became nothing but caring for others. I lost my self, because it was consumed by the needs of others. Because of los ing my sense of self, it was easy to be pressured intro sex work. When finally I woke up and realized my life should be my own, Instead of pleasing others I should just live for my self. Anger and determination drove me to take it back. I became a nurse with a multitude of experience, I now have money to do with as I please. I will never be able to fulfill my life long wish but at least I made myself and carved a new life. the only thing that remains to continue on is the memories of me dreaming, and the determination to never let it happen again.

 

[formershroomeryuser]

oh but I did switch trades, I used a majority of my funds that wasn't taken to put me through nurse school. Financial aid wasn't enough I had to buy equipment text books. I remember not eating for a week because the semester was starting and I needed books. Empowering isn't selling your body, empowering is lifting yourself up going through blood sweat and tears facing hunger and sometimes despair I even sacrificed my health to rise above the shitty lot life dealt me. I remember when I was young I wanted to be a historian specializing in Egypt. I wanted to discover new artifacts. but my life for a time became nothing but caring for others. I lost my self, because it was consumed by the needs of others. Because of los ing my sense of self, it was easy to be pressured intro sex work. When finally I woke up and realized my life should be my own, Instead of pleasing others I should just live for my self. Anger and determination drove me to take it back. I became a nurse with a multitude of experience, I now have money to do with as I please. I will never be able to fulfill my life long wish but at least I made myself and carved a new life. the only thing that remains to continue on is the memories of me dreaming, and the determination to never let it happen again.

I have always wanted to take a hot beautiful hooker and bring her out of the horrible life and marry her and take her home and make her happy. In real life its totally intangible. Its like Dr Dre said You Can't Make a Ho a House Wife. I know it conjures up ideas of that movie with Richard Gere and Julia Roberts and sounds stupid. But yeah aside from that movie this has pretty much been the relationship bane of my life.

For me to want to be involved with a girl it has to be some crazy psycho bitch who has a kid and its not going to work with the other guy and I am like "yeah for sure I am this guy that can handle this and do this for sure." Its not reality. Since 2004 I have liked 7 girls who had a kid and did not work with the guy. 2 this year funny enough. But these last 2 times I did not fall in love. Am I learning?

But for real I cannot just be with a normal bitch. It has to be like she doesn't want the other guy anymore or the girl moved away and lives somewhere else and I try and visit her or some shit it has to be some nuts as fuck ass bitch. Some really tame me kind of girl. And let me tell you none of them can be tamed. So whatever. It doesn't matter crazy or not you cannot fix a brain that is genetically programed at birth to be totally not reasonable. The average female is just this thing.

So anyway what were you? A male hooker? I had no idea I would ever meet one but I have heard of male hookers a bunch. Be honest know were there a lot of cute young girls in your path or is the truth more they were mostly old ladies? Cmon I know they were mostly old ladies. Haha you drove miss Daisy all right. Drove her to the pleasure zone. Lol its all good honest money is honest money. If you worked hard for its its yours nigga.