Shitty Alternate History Thread - If only the Romans had AK-47's they would've survived...

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Here is a link to the thread, note that you need an account to view it

Not sure where else to put this, but something hilarious has just happened to alternatehistory.com. Apparently the owner, Ian the Admin, was doxxed on a discord and his doxx had an imagine of him wearing a pro-slavery shirt.

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The thread went well for about three seconds until someone posted the actual message from the discord
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The man who posted this was immediately banned

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The thread very quickly went downhill from there as Ian started sperging and banning almost everyone in the thread

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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

If anyone knows how to archive a webpage that requires an account to view like this website or resetERA, that would be great
on top of that he stated that America is worse than Nazi Germany because slavery (source)
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and Ian is A FUCKING LEAF :story:
 

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on top of that he stated that America is worse than Nazi Germany because slavery (source)
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and Ian is A FUCKING LEAF :story:
If the war hadn't been going so bad for them they wouldn't have let Blacks join the Confederate Army, nor would they have freed the slaves until they absolutely fucking had to. Brasil fought a civil war about keeping slavery too, but you never heard about them; read How Few Remain or The Guns of the South, take your pick.

There WERE militia made up of free persons of color, but that was limited to Louisiana.

"American attitudes against Blacks were far worse than German attitudes towards Jews" - Miss me with that bullshit. No Confederate would massacre wholesale their chattel.

moar edit: Still mad at how the owner of an alternate history websight doesn't know his history. There were mass protests by Germans as late as 1943 over Aktion T4 (the program to euthanize the mentally retarded) and there was widespread passive resistance against the treatment of Jews in National Socialist Germany.
 

Fuck Y'all

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moar edit: Still mad at how the owner of an alternate history websight doesn't know his history. There were mass protests by Germans as late as 1943 over Aktion T4 (the program to euthanize the mentally retarded) and there was widespread passive resistance against the treatment of Jews in National Socialist Germany.
he knows, but don't care because they're jews
 
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If the war hadn't been going so bad for them they wouldn't have let Blacks join the Confederate Army, nor would they have freed the slaves until they absolutely fucking had to. Brasil fought a civil war about keeping slavery too, but you never heard about them; read How Few Remain or The Guns of the South, take your pick.

There WERE militia made up of free persons of color, but that was limited to Louisiana.

"American attitudes against Blacks were far worse than German attitudes towards Jews" - Miss me with that bullshit. No Confederate would massacre wholesale their chattel.

moar edit: Still mad at how the owner of an alternate history websight doesn't know his history. There were mass protests by Germans as late as 1943 over Aktion T4 (the program to euthanize the mentally retarded) and there was widespread passive resistance against the treatment of Jews in National Socialist Germany.
Even a lot of more liberal historians like The Cynical Historian and Atun-Shei Films on Youtube admit that the bad treatment of slaves in media depicting the slavery era South is highly exaggerated. There were actually laws against gratuitous slave abuse, on top of it being really dumb to put your workforce out of commission for days on end or permanently handicap them.

I'm not saying that slavery was sunshine and daisies, but if I had the choice between being a slave in the Antebellum South or a Jew in Nazi Germany, it would be a no brainer. Hell, I'd take being a slave in the South over being a Kulak in the Soviet Union from 1929-32 too, but of course the Soviet Union always gets a pass for the shit it did. To say nothing of Turkey, Rwanda, etc.
 

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Even a lot of more liberal historians like The Cynical Historian and Atun-Shei Films on Youtube admit that the bad treatment of slaves in media depicting the slavery era South is highly exaggerated. There were actually laws against gratuitous slave abuse, on top of it being really dumb to put your workforce out of commission for days on end or permanently handicap them.
Which makes sense when you look at the past few thousand years of slavery and see how the basic logic of "dont cripple your workforce and dont give them the motivation to murder you in your sleep" is reflected in pretty much every legal system of the ancient-early modern world regarding slavery and systems equivalent to slavery.

Even the cruellest and most sadistic and uncaring of slave owners has a very obvious and extremely tangible motivation to keep his workforce halfway healthy and halfway happy enough to ensure they wind up turning a profit and that vast amounts of money and blood dont have to be spent in keeping them from snapping and trying to kill your whole family. They couldnt just murder their entire workforce every few months, even if they could get away with it, since they would have to buy a new rota of slaves to replace them which would quickly bankrupt even the richest plantation owner.

Anne-frankly given how the Southern leadership/myth makers among the planter class had a major boner for the romanticised medieval aesthetics of "aristocracy and noble knights" it would have been an expected part of the package for any true gentleman wanting a seat at the ultimate proverbial country club to treat his proverbial peasants with chivalry and noblesse oblige.

The problem the southern slaver aristocracy faced was that while this mindset of a divinely ordained and unchangeable blood-bondage hierarchy had been the norm for all of human history until recently and was still the norm in much of the world, it had been decidedly out of fashion in the anglosphere for quite some time now due to the general viewpoint of it being both entirely unnecessary and due to it being too much of a religious and philosophical contradiction even for 19th century morality among nations which prided themselves on liberty and breaking old orders through reform and revolution, though obviously this had a hefty truckload of hypocrisy given the policies of imperialism/expansionism and the extremely poor state of workers rights and protections at the time.

Honestly though, the only difference between the confederacy and the countless other cultures/subcultures that had the crap kicked out of them during the anti-slavery crusades during the mid 1800s was that it was the only one that both aggressively and militarily attempted to maintain explicit slavery and was also white and english speaking, wheras the myriad of African and Arab kingdoms and other American nations like Brazil and various Native tribes which also attempted to violently resist abolition are not particularly helpful for any modern "MUH SLAVERHOLOCAUST" narrative.

I'm not saying that slavery was sunshine and daisies, but if I had the choice between being a slave in the Antebellum South or a Jew in Nazi Germany, it would be a no brainer. Hell, I'd take being a slave in the South over being a Kulak in the Soviet Union from 1929-32 too, but of course the Soviet Union always gets a pass for the shit it did. To say nothing of Turkey, Rwanda, etc.
Yeah, as much criticism the ultra-reactionary ultra-traditionalist social orders of states like southern burgerland/imperial russia/imperial china/imperial germany deservedly get for, among many things, their long-standing instituted bigotry and traditionally punitive policies on minority groups, these unfair societal codes atleast gave their victims a chance at continuing to eke out an existence indefinitely so long as they toed the line, despite existing in societies whose leadership, academia, and media, not to mention anyone they influence, see them as unwanted and subhuman and inherently dangerous.

When you introduce a self proclaimed revolutionary leadership that goes out of its way to burn away all these old social contracts and traditional rules and codes of conduct, then these minority groups have absolutely zero protection from a population and leadership that despises them, and it wont take long before elements of the leadership decide to get maximum goodboypoints by orchestrating shit a thousand times worse than anything that came before, as they are no longer restrained by the laws and social niceties of the past
 
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Judge Holden

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So being black is a fate worse then death to Ian the Admin?
Basically. There have been two extremes regarding dumb stereotypes of the southern slavery era that speds accross the ages have uncritically swallowed and regurgitated to suit their petty narratives.

On the one extreme end that was espoused and popularly believed at the institution's zenith up to about the 1950s/60s was the idea it was some picturesque and relaxed perpetual vacation for the slaves all paid for by kindhearted masters who were in turn loved like parents by the child like slaves

On the other extreme end that has been espoused and popularly believed since the 1980s and has accellerated beyond absurdity in the modern era is the idea it was just one vast bible-belt spanning auchwitz with white-on-black rape instead of gas chambers and literally every single white person a fanatical and cackling enforcer of this two century spanning death camp.

The latter extreme has been latched on to with predictable autism by Idi(ot) Admin, and like any brainlet he is furiously intolerant of anybody who so much as implies different, since without the needlessly hyperbolic "EVERY SINGLE SLAVE WAS RAPED TO DEATH AT BIRTH AND FORCED TO PICK A THOUSAND TONNES OF COTTON A MINUTE WHILE BEING WHIPPED BY HIS OWN SPINAL COLUMN" screeching, southern slavery is just another unremarkable chapter in the 19th century edition "Humans being dicks to humans for fun and profit"
 
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Hell, I'd take being a slave in the South over being a Kulak in the Soviet Union from 1929-32 too, but of course the Soviet Union always gets a pass for the shit it did. To say nothing of Turkey, Rwanda, etc.
The kulaks were burning grain to spite the government which directly led to the deaths of thousands of people. In reality no kulaks were killed, they were sent to labour camps with swimming pools and kindergartens. It wasn't that bad being a kulak and in a way they got what they deserved
 

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:story: Yeah, Ian (and ah.com by extension) definately needed a Lowcow thread by yesterday.
Ian thread, when?

Seriously, there is a lot of good stuff on Alternate History. But you never, ever, ever go in Chat. It is a cesspit and a circlejerk. (I remember a thread speculating on the possibility of supporting Trump being a bannable offence). I also remember a couple of years ago Ian banning someone for quoting single parenthood statistics and its effect on crime (before the "Despite making 13%" was a thing).
 

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I was following a Civil War TL, buy after a certain point, the whole thread devolved into autistic sperging about the role of slavery in the civil war and how anyone that disagreed with the circlejerk was siding with slavers and shit like that.

 
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Even a lot of more liberal historians like The Cynical Historian and Atun-Shei Films on Youtube admit that the bad treatment of slaves in media depicting the slavery era South is highly exaggerated. There were actually laws against gratuitous slave abuse, on top of it being really dumb to put your workforce out of commission for days on end or permanently handicap them.
I don't know enough about Cynical Historian, but Atun Shei strikes me as increasingly playing up a shtick to own the cons. His content is pretty good when he tones down the politisperging, like his documentary on King Phillip's War.
 

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I don't know enough about Cynical Historian, but Atun Shei strikes me as increasingly playing up a shtick to own the cons. His content is pretty good when he tones down the politisperging, like his documentary on King Phillip's War.
He definitely seems more liberal, particularly in stuff like his Confederate monument videos, although not to the extreme of, say, breadtube. He does make a fair amount of decent content.
 
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:story: Yeah, Ian (and ah.com by extension) definately needed a Lowcow thread by yesterday.
Here's what I've said previously about that site:

Alternatehistory.com. Nerds talking about alternate history, with a large politics section that leans liberal/left (Fun fact: you need to be a member to see these forums). Pretty-standard stuff.

What makes it special is the Alternate History Wiki, specifically its Hall of Infamy, where the good members of the forum have listed the various lolcows they have banned over the years. Mostly these you standard-issue Nazis or the like, but sometimes some really special people appear. Like the Israeli that wanted to nuke all other surrounding nations or the Sinophile who took on another user's identity for three years to evade a ban. Most wonderfully, there was a Korean user than wanted to ethnically cleanse Siberia of Indo-Europeans to secure a future for the pan-Altaic children. All for a group many linguists believe does not exist.

Also, there were some fierce "Pony Wars", a sure sign that there is something very deeply wrong with your community.

I stand by those statements.
 

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The kulaks were burning grain to spite the government which directly led to the deaths of thousands of people. In reality no kulaks were killed, they were sent to labour camps with swimming pools and kindergartens. It wasn't that bad being a kulak and in a way they got what they deserved
This is what Antifa actually believes

Lenin was a tyrant and a mass murderer, and so were Mao and Stalin.

Also, water is wet, the sky is blue, grass is green, Jeff Goldblum is a Jew, and Liberace was very very gay. All this and Andy Rooney tonight on 60 Minutes!

I don't know enough about Cynical Historian, but Atun Shei strikes me as increasingly playing up a shtick to own the cons. His content is pretty good when he tones down the politisperging, like his documentary on King Phillip's War.
Agreed. I think Atun Shei is definitely a liberal, but I doubt he's as left-leaning as some of his videos may lead you to believe. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks a lot of his more left-wing takes are some kind of shtick.

If he was actually a full blown leftist and not just a "post-2008/pre-2013 liberal" center-left type, I think he'd have already trooned out or thrown his lot in with BreadTube by now.
 
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