shitty lgbt writing that tries too hard -

Salt Water Taffy

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LGBT media as a concept is quickly becoming irrelevant due to the increasing acceptance of LGBT people in modern society. I am no longer impressed by media that relies primarily upon sexuality or gender as the main fulcrum of the conflict or characterization.

John Waters was right in that we need to see more "gay villains" as he put it. No more perfect untouchable author self inserts who are 2queer4u.
Kinda makes me think of a cringy character in a roleplay I heard about. It was set in the present, this was a while ago so it was probably 2016. This character was a late teenager and he was gay and living in California. His parents were (of course) abusive as shit and smacked him around a lot and didn't accept his sexuality. So he ran off, but everywhere he went no one would accept him because he was gay (in 2016 California), so that's how he wound up in the RP's setting.

The unanimous response to the character was "Okay, if this was set in 1916, maybe I could buy it. If he was from a really conservative country or part of the country, maybe I could buy it. If it was just his parents who rejected him, maybe I could buy it. But come on! It's Current Year (TM) in California!"

But the creator, who was probably either a gay guy himself creating a Gary Stu self-insert who was actually really privileged and accepted but was "I'm gay so I'm so oppressed you guys", or a straight white teenage SJW girl who was like "omigod gay people are like so oppressed I need to make all these cis scum check their privilege", wouldn't take any criticism and called out anyone who didn't instantly befriend this character and say in every post something to the tune of "wow, you're so brave for being openly gay" in every post as being homophobic. Apparently (I wasn't there, I just heard about this secondhand) the entire roleplay group kinda fell apart because so many people left because they couldn't stand this character and they couldn't say or do anything about it lest they be called a homophobe.

Let's hope the next generation of LGBT folks are less defensive about themselves. We need more LGBT creators like John Waters. He's a gay guy with a sense of humor about the subject.
 

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Mass effect andromeda is an example of not trying hard enough

OH HAI MARK MY NAME IS X BUT IT USED TO BE Y

they easily could have fixed this with having a friend of that character accidentally using the old name and then later in a loyalty mission you find our why
 

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Kinda makes me think of a cringy character in a roleplay I heard about. It was set in the present, this was a while ago so it was probably 2016. This character was a late teenager and he was gay and living in California. His parents were (of course) abusive as shit and smacked him around a lot and didn't accept his sexuality. So he ran off, but everywhere he went no one would accept him because he was gay (in 2016 California), so that's how he wound up in the RP's setting.

The unanimous response to the character was "Okay, if this was set in 1916, maybe I could buy it. If he was from a really conservative country or part of the country, maybe I could buy it. If it was just his parents who rejected him, maybe I could buy it. But come on! It's Current Year (TM) in California!"

But the creator, who was probably either a gay guy himself creating a Gary Stu self-insert who was actually really privileged and accepted but was "I'm gay so I'm so oppressed you guys", or a straight white teenage SJW girl who was like "omigod gay people are like so oppressed I need to make all these cis scum check their privilege", wouldn't take any criticism and called out anyone who didn't instantly befriend this character and say in every post something to the tune of "wow, you're so brave for being openly gay" in every post as being homophobic. Apparently (I wasn't there, I just heard about this secondhand) the entire roleplay group kinda fell apart because so many people left because they couldn't stand this character and they couldn't say or do anything about it lest they be called a homophobe.

Let's hope the next generation of LGBT folks are less defensive about themselves. We need more LGBT creators like John Waters. He's a gay guy with a sense of humor about the subject.
I can't help but think that his death will cause an onslaught of articles about Divine and how the character is not acceptable in Current Year.

Seems like the common response to an artist dying is less that of remembrance and more "we should forget them as soon as possible because Current Year." It's disrespectful.
 

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Here's the webcomic, Rock n' Riot, which is set in the 1950s where it seems that society is more tolerant of non-whites and interacial relationships. But the real tryharding comes from the cast page where everyone has some kind of alternate sexuality label (heteros don't seem to exist) and their pronouns and romance/sexuality gets more attention than the people they are.
 

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Here's the webcomic, Rock n' Riot, which is set in the 1950s where it seems that society is more tolerant of non-whites and interacial relationships. But the real tryharding comes from the cast page where everyone has some kind of alternate sexuality label (heteros don't seem to exist) and their pronouns and romance/sexuality gets more attention than the people they are.
i remembered that. would make more sense if it took place in modern day and in a gay neighborhood.
 

Yaoi Huntress Earth

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On a related note, the guy behind Questionable Content is really forcing a female presenting robot-lesbian relationship now. It's cringe-worthy and painful to read.






Why is Bubs' skin all red? She looks like a member of the Berzerk they abandoned out of embarassment. (Sorry for the sperg moment, but it so fit.)
 

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I have a hard time reading LGBT literature because they normally don't have anything going on outside of being LGBT orientated.
I'm going to be very weeby when I say that a manga title I've found very enjoyable for its down-to-earth and "plain" subject matter is "What Did You Eat Yesterday?" by Fumi Yoshinaga. It's all about two gay men that think up creative ways to make tasty meals while on a small budget. That's basically it. Some of the tips may be specific only to Japan due to pricing differences but they have recipes and discuss them with each other and argue and grouse like the couple that they are. I haven't read it all but it doesn't constantly highlight that they're gay men oh wow, nor do they stop their conversations to fuck each other against the wall. It's just really light, mildly interesting reading depicting gay people as normal human beings.
 
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I'm going to be very weeby when I say that a manga title I've found very enjoyable for its down-to-earth and "plain" subject matter is "What Did You Eat Yesterday?" by Fumi Yoshinaga. It's all about two gay men that think up creative ways to make tasty meals while on a small budget. That's basically it. Some of the tips may be specific only to Japan due to pricing differences but they have recipes and discuss them with each other and argue and grouse like the couple that they are. I haven't read it all but it doesn't constantly highlight that they're gay men oh wow, nor do they stop their conversations to fuck each other against the wall. It's just really light, mildly interesting reading depicting gay people as normal human beings.
Funny that you mention manga, because that's actually one of the few mediums that tends to do the whole LGBT thing without being insufferable. I tend to throw a shitload of BL and GL manga at the folks who whine about a lack of LGBT "representation" in media... only to get blown off because they'll start ranting about how manga/anime isn't good enough for them. Though I think it's also because a lot of those series don't tend to appeal to their victim complexes that they often have- since it's not that huge of a deal as far as Japanese media is concerned (at least according to a friend of mine from Japan- they just don't really give as much as a shit about LGBT concerns as we do over here).

I was referring mostly to YA lit, where it's often written by pretentious "queer" authors who really don't understand that there has to be an actual story to make the book interesting.
 

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I was referring mostly to YA lit, where it's often written by pretentious "queer" authors who really don't understand that there has to be an actual story to make the book interesting.
Yeah, I honestly can't think of any YA lit that has LGBT peeps involved that I've read and moderately enjoyed except one called...something like "Gemini Moon", about a bi kid stringing along a brother and sister in a love triangle by making them believe he was a vampire (I know, wtf, but it wasn't insufferable).
 

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Sexing the Cherry by Jeanette Winterston. Had to read that quasi oh who am i kidding MOSTLY-pornish novel for college. It's pretentious pseudo-intellectual horseshit trying very hard to pretend it's not being absolutely filthy porn while being some of the most explicit pr0n I've ever seen (and I'd already seen Penthouse ffs). It's something Dobson would fap to. (though there's a male-on-male scene that would probably give him the prickly wicklies.) :deviant: :deviant: :deviant:

(I hasten to add that the title of the book doesn't make ANY fucking sense, nor does the associated Roll Credits phrase in the book, "We have sexed the cherry, and it is female" in terms of Cherry Trees, which are both male and female, BUT if cherry is meant in terms of "popping one's cherry" well... well played, book, well played. Sexist, if it implies that males cannot have their cherries popped, but well played.)
 
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Sexing the Cherry by Jeanette Winterston. Had to read that quasi oh who am i kidding MOSTLY-pornish novel for college. It's pretentious pseudo-intellectual horseshit trying very hard to pretend it's not being absolutely filthy porn while being some of the most explicit pr0n I've ever seen (and I'd already seen Penthouse ffs). It's something Dobson would fap to. :deviant: :deviant: :deviant:

(I hasten to add that the title of the book doesn't make ANY fucking sense, nor does the associated Roll Credits phrase in the book, "We have sexed the cherry, and it is female" in terms of Cherry Trees, which are both male and female, BUT if cherry is meant in terms of "popping one's cherry" well... well played, book, well played. Sexist, if it implies that males cannot have their cherries popped, but well played.)
I'd imagine "We have sexed the cherry, and it is female" means something along the lines of "we've determined that the cherry tree is female," whether that refers to trying to discover its biological sex (which as you said makes little sense) or imposing the female gender role on it (which also makes little sense). I'm not surprised it's pseudo-intellectual twaddle.
 

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I'd imagine "We have sexed the cherry, and it is female" means something along the lines of "we've determined that the cherry tree is female," whether that refers to trying to discover its biological sex (which as you said makes little sense) or imposing the female gender role on it (which also makes little sense). I'm not surprised it's pseudo-intellectual twaddle.
Or something something lesbuns.
 

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Here's the webcomic, Rock n' Riot, which is set in the 1950s where it seems that society is more tolerant of non-whites and interacial relationships. But the real tryharding comes from the cast page where everyone has some kind of alternate sexuality label (heteros don't seem to exist) and their pronouns and romance/sexuality gets more attention than the people they are.
Not only would 99% of those characters get beaten by a gang of greasers faster than you can say Jim Crow, there were apparently no straight men in the 50s.
 

Syaoran Li

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Not only would 99% of those characters get beaten by a gang of greasers faster than you can say Jim Crow, there were apparently no straight men in the 50s.
I would love to see someone make a parody fan fic of Rock & Riot where exactly that thing happens.

Seriously, greaser gangs were extremely tough and violent. Some of the Chicago greaser gangs were known for their capacity for extreme brutal violence and several of the larger ones stayed active up until the 1990's in many places (and a few are still semi-active in the suburbs and out-of-state, such as the Gaylords and Simon City Royals)


Oddly enough, since we're on the topic of shitty LGBT writing, one of the larger and more notoriously violent greaser gangs of Chicago was actually called the Almighty Gaylords.

Of course, the name was unrelated to homosexuality (Gaylord is an English transliteration of an old Italian name) and back in the early 1950's when the gang was formed, the word "gay" was not commonly associated with homosexuality.


But to get back on topic, I don't really see the need for the LGBT genre of literature these days.

The majority of Americans these days are perfectly fine with gays, lesbians, and bisexuals and it's not really seen as a big deal or really all that much of a transgression anymore, which is a good thing.

(Now, the "T" part of the LGBT movement is a different story, and it's the troons who are responsible for that mess.)

And I also am inclined to agree with John Waters on the idea that we need some LGBT villains in media. Queer people are people too, no different than you or me. You've got good ones and bad ones, just like everybody else.

The worst part about all the stuff I am seeing in this thread is that they focus on the queer representation first and foremost instead of just trying to tell a good and enjoyable story. They're not making LGBT representation better, they're just making YA books worse (and that is a pretty low bar already).

What is it with SJW's and not being able to have fun or enjoyment from their media?
 
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