Snowflake shoe0nhead / June Lapine/Laporta & Armoured Skeptic / Gregory "Greg" Fluhrer - A poor man's Boxxy: rejected by Vaush, disowned by /pol/ for burning coal, sleeps in a dog's bed surrounded by trash, and her ex-boyfriend.

[LostThePlot]

There are professions dedicated to helping people leave abusive relationships for a reason. Some people develop a codependency like Shoe, due to how their brains are wired. We know that Shoe is a barely functioning adult who still lives with parents. By all accounts she is the type to be dependent on a more dominant personality to reign her in. When the dom is a narcissistic personality like Greg, who portrays himself as this Canadian Chad in armor, it can lead to a Stockholm situation for the sub partner. If Shoe is trad as I suspect, based on her horny tweeting about wanting to get dicked by conservative guys, then it was probably hard for her to break off her prospects of marriage and potential children. Now she has to start her prospects all over to secure of a future for her unfertilized eggs as a woman over 30, and that's why we've seen nude leaks and simping tweets for such low quality dudes as Vaush.

Yeah, but "my boyfriend is complete trash" is not the same as "my boyfriend is literally beating and/or psychologically manipulating me". Remember, they didn't live together. They didn't even see each other very often. And their sexual dynamic, honestly, seems to be the least relevant thing to their breakup.

June has always been pretty pathetic, it's not Greg's fault that when he said "I am a GOLDEN GOD" she said "Yus! MOIST!". If you saw some pathetic guy putting his low quality bitch of a girlfriend on a pedestal you'd never say this was something abusive.

Being together was actually good for both of them in lots of ways. Greg is a controlling dickhead... But June pretty obviously needs the firm hand of daddy to not become a complete dumpster fire. And running around after his co-dependant bodypillow meant he didn't have enough time to stab prostitutes too. That's win/win as far as society is concerned. And both of their (for want of a better word) careers were at their peak when they were together. Greg has a huge ego, but people like that have to maintain it by seeking validation, and that means pumping out them vidyas for clicks and views. He liked them being seen as a YouTube power couple, and wanted to keep growing.

Seeing June become a such a thirsty bitch that she'll chow down on Vaush's nasty cock kinda underlines that she reached her ceiling under Gregdaddy. June is hot (funny story - I came here looking for dem nudez), she's got some fine titties the like of which many a man would fap to. Plenty of guys would be happy to put a baby in her. But it's pretty offputting to see her swooning over crusty, unwashed communists.

Imagine being a chick with a rocking body and a sense of humour who is desperate to please a man... And still being such a disaster that you can't fucking find one and end up sending out nudes like some college kid who wants to get noticed.

 

[El Sátiro Sordo]

What kind of person fucks others for their smarts? That's not what "fucking your brains out" means.

They want to believe "sapiosexuality" is a thing. Attraction comes from subtle things; facial symmettry, siluette, etc... Signs of health, which in turn affect how smart you are. Is not a one-to-one correspondence, but in general your brain will function better if the rest of your body is working fine.
What you like when you know someone you consider "smart" is status. It signals that you are not a peasant, just like pale skin. Of course; you like what you like. I know that my taste for arthoes comes from this phenomenon, but what can I do?

I think they were both tahxic in the relationship. Shoe forcing the uwu daddy dynamic on preg (and probably more behind the scenes). Then Preg announcing on twitter shoe ruined his life and publicly cheating on her. Both parties are guilty and we have to remember that.

Pretty much, yes.
If you are an older man, and you don't let go of your college years; going after women in their early 20's so that you can coerce them into trying disgusting shit, that is a sign that you are a manchild. At preg's age you should be thinking on having an age appropriate girlfriend, and probably building a family.
But no, it seems sex and degeneracy is his only source of happiness.

 

[sper]

I don’t know that Greg was a horrible person for being an online thirster (is that a word), considering unless I missed it we don’t know that June didn’t allow it - I know that would be weird but they had a “weird” relationship.

Also as someone already said if you put up with it you enable it and tbh after a while I would call it being complicit.

 

[Rekkington]

I have known dudes like Greg as well and it is generally hard to make them take any accountability for their abusive tendencies.

Shut up you gay bitch.

 

[KateHikes14]

There are professions dedicated to helping people leave abusive relationships for a reason. Some people develop a codependency like Shoe, due to how their brains are wired. We know that Shoe is a barely functioning adult who still lives with parents. By all accounts she is the type to be dependent on a more dominant personality to reign her in. When the dom is a narcissistic personality like Greg, who portrays himself as this Canadian Chad in armor, it can lead to a Stockholm situation for the sub partner. If Shoe is trad as I suspect, based on her horny tweeting about wanting to get dicked by conservative guys, then it was probably hard for her to break off her prospects of marriage and potential children. Now she has to start her prospects all over to secure of a future for her unfertilized eggs as a woman over 30, and that's why we've seen nude leaks and simping tweets for such low quality dudes as Vaush.



I have known dudes like Greg as well and it is generally hard to make them take any accountability for their abusive tendencies.

>abusive
If you keep on raping that word by lowering the threshold to where guys who don't text back are in the same group as men who put their wives in the hospital with broken bones, it's not gonna mean anything.

 

[Rekkington]

Aussie girl was smart to get up and leave this is why Preg can't date older women because we won't put up with his shit. I actually dated someone like Preg and you can never get them to apologize because they'll always spin it to you being the problem in the end.

lol this thread is full of women who were literally june

 

[Bastard_Call]

Aussie girl was smart to get up and leave this is why Preg can't date older women because we won't put up with his shit. I actually dated someone like Preg and you can never get them to apologize because they'll always spin it to you being the problem in the end.

Ew, a dusty old woman. If you had any grandchildren I'd tell you to get off KF and go knit them a sweater.

 

[White Girl]

Ew, a dusty old woman. If you had any grandchildren I'd tell you to get off KF and go knit them a sweater.

Lol calm down I just turned 27.

lol this thread is full of women who were literally june

Only difference is I was 20-21 at the time.

 

[Bastard_Call]

Lol calm down I just turned 27.

Literal grandma

 

[Rekkington]

Lol calm down I just turned 27.

An actual mummified corpse.

 

[JelloJerk]

nigger hadn't had an adult relationship in his life and while Shuwu hadn't either, this dude is larping hard as an adult while still very clearly being emotionally stunted.

Thing is is that he was married before dating Shoe. Don't know if that makes it better or worse. Actually no, definitely worse. I recall that Shoe and Skeptic cited one of the reasons his ex-wife was oh so terrible was because she didn't let him have Star Wars toys out and about the house, lol.

If him and the Aussie broke up then I'm kinda bummed out. I was definitely looking forward to a full "Greg redemption while Shoe completely melts down" arc. Though he hasn't made a long Twitlonger publicly breaking up with her, so dare I say that he's objectively grown a bit since dating Wig0nHead?

 

[El Sátiro Sordo]

Shoe and Skeptic cited one of the reasons his ex-wife was oh so terrible was because she didn't let him have Star Wars toys out and about the house, lol.

What a sad excuse of a man.

 

[Berrakh]

If we're gonna discuss how sympathetic Shoe is in her situation I guess it really just comes down to how credibly you can justify not feeling bad at all for her. I do just because she seems to have all the consequences of the breakup being a woman hitting 30. And because frankly I find to argue simultaneously that women are emotionally gullible (they are) and then wholly responsible for being lead on by someone promising marriage and maybe even more. Greg was happy to propose to June so as far as I am concerned he took the bulk of culpability.

I can't read your minds but if you're genuinely arguing that women need to be more selective and reticent about relationships with men (which is what you're arguing if you're saying June should have held out for more certain commitment) during an age where hypergamy is at an all time high you're delusional in my honest opinion. The last thing we need is more asinine, self-satisfied shit tests and nonsense about how there are no good men willing to take responsibility

You really can't have it both ways. Either women need to be submissive to their man or they need to be calculating about where they invest. These two states are frequently pitted against one another when talking about e-celeb relationships. And I'd say the latter looks good in the case of June and Skeptic. I look forward to the very well thought out replies and careful straddling made in response to this.

Spoiler: The difference between June and Greg is...

Abusive is too strong a word and it reduces June's volition far too much. He's careless and thoughtless. June should have recognized he was too selfish to give her what she craved. That's incontrovertible. June probably could make a satisfactory partner, or could have since she's aged now and internet poisoned, Greg is provably incapable of it (and his life is just a clown show while June's is just basic guidette shit). He's failed with two women and can't even put forth the right image. June is a chameleon but at least that means she knows how she ought to act.

The spoiler part is controversial but keep in mind I am giving Shoe a break for being younger than Greg and at least recognizing that she couldn't go on living the way she was. She doesn't act on it and wants it both ways because she's dumb and she's basic and it's become an ingrained habit thanks to the internet dopamine machine but Greg is hopeless. He was like this before blowing up.

 

[KateHikes14]

If we're gonna discuss how sympathetic Shoe is in her situation I guess it really just comes down to how credibly you can justify not feeling bad at all for her. I do just because she seems to have all the consequences of the breakup being a woman hitting 30. And because frankly I find to argue simultaneously that women are emotionally gullible (they are) and then wholly responsible for being lead on by someone promising marriage and maybe even more. Greg was happy to propose to June so as far as I am concerned he took the bulk of culpability.

I can't read your minds but if you're genuinely arguing that women need to be more selective and reticent about relationships with men (which is what you're arguing if you're saying June should have held out for more certain commitment) during an age where hypergamy is at an all time high you're delusional in my honest opinion. You really can't have it both ways. Either women need to be submissive to their man or they need to be calculating about where they invest.
I look forward to the very well thought out replies and careful straddling made in response to this.

Spoiler: The difference between June and Greg is...

Abusive is too strong a word and it reduces June's volition far too much. He's careless and thoughtless. June should have recognized he was too selfish to give her what she craved. That's incontrovertible. June probably could make a satisfactory partner, or could have since she's aged now and internet poisoned, Greg is provably incapable of it (and his life is just a clown show while June's is just basic guidette shit). He's failed with two women and can't even put forth the right image. June is a chameleon but at least that means she knows how she ought to act.

The spoiler part is controversial but keep in mind I am giving Shoe a break for being younger than Greg and at least recognizing that she couldn't go on living the way she was. She doesn't act on it and wants it both ways because she's dumb and she's basic and it's become an ingrained habit thanks to the internet dopamine machine but Greg is hopeless. He was like this before blowing up.

What autistic planet did you come from where a relationship has to be 100% trad or 100% modern? The people in a relationship set the bounds with their words (a little) and actions (primarily). Now their may be significant wisdom to picking one and tending to follow it because a proven system that works for most people; like the traditional route is going to have aspects that are complimentary to the relationship as a whole, and things that make up for the drawbacks of functional gender roles. You're presenting it as a dichotomy to be adhered to, rather than two retards setting up a dysfunctional relationship.

 

[Berrakh]

What autistic planet did you come from where a relationship has to be 100% trad or 100% modern? The people in a relationship set the bounds with their words (a little) and actions (primarily). Now their may be significant wisdom to picking one and tending to follow it because a proven system that works for most people; like the traditional route is going to have aspects that are complimentary to the relationship as a whole, and things that make up for the drawbacks of functional gender roles. You're presenting it as a dichotomy to be adhered to, rather than two retards setting up a dysfunctional relationship.

Yeah I am the one being autistic by saying both were immature but at least one wanted to be more and doesn't have a divorce under their belt. It's very obvious that sexual politics informs a lot of this debate so I delineated two philosophies in a brief section of what I wrote (it's not a treatise, it's a post). Because people do need to decide what kinds of errors they're gonna tolerate from people. You're honestly trying to sound smart to fashionably escape some kind of discussion. That is autism. Missing the forest for the trees like this. And pretending to know what I think in the process.

 

[Mr Cuddles]

You really can't have it both ways. Either women need to be submissive to their man or they need to be calculating about where they invest.
I look forward to the very well thought out replies and careful straddling made in response to this.

I think you have this backwards (and wrong to boot) if women need to be submissive to their man then they should be really calculating where they invest. If they fuck up, then they've fucked up good and proper, whilst in a rapidly shifting and hypergamous world they can write it off as a bad relationship. The poster referenced trad and modern relationships and I think that was a good distinction to make.

In a trad relationship the women wasn't a slave to the man. Yea he would earn all the money but she would be mostly responsible for spending it. It's why women were schooled in home economics as they would be in charge of running the household. For me divvying up responsibility for tasks and then having the more competent partner discharging it is more sensible than "oh we just share responsibility for everything". The former generally runs slickly and the latter is a recipe for arguing over who's turn it is to cook dinner tonight or who should take on the extra shifts to make rent (and then ultimately divorce)

Don't know whether this what you were looking forward to but it's probably what you needed to hear.

 

[Neko GF]

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[Berrakh]

I think you have this backwards (and wrong to boot) if women need to be submissive to their man then they should be really calculating where they invest. If they fuck up, then they've fucked up good and proper, whilst in a rapidly shifting and hypergamous world they can write it off as a bad relationship. The poster referenced trad and modern relationships and I think that was a good distinction to make.

In a trad relationship the women wasn't a slave to the man. Yea he would earn all the money but she would be mostly responsible for spending it. It's why women were schooled in home economics as they would be in charge of running the household. For me divvying up responsibility for tasks and then having the more competent partner discharging it is more sensible than "oh we just share responsibility for everything". The former generally runs slickly and the latter is a recipe for arguing over who's turn it is to cook dinner tonight or who should take on the extra shifts to make rent (and then ultimately divorce)

Don't know whether this what you were looking forward to but it's probably what you needed to hear.

No I really don't think I do. You're largely digressing from any point I've actually made like the other guy to pretend at insight into a question never asked.
Because you're not getting it: Shoe was too submissive to Greg's whims and should have pushed him earlier in a calculating move to save her herself some time. And saying "lol guess she chose poorly" isn't factually disputed, it's disputed an excuse to not grant her any sympathy when Greg was selfish enough to propose without meaning it. This doesn't affect him, it does her.
Also calculating women are usually seen as bad or insincere yet that's being offered as the correct path for June. I just don't actually believe this is said for any reason other than it's a convenient way to judge her.

You guys are both ascribing to me hardline positions I don't hold (I usually make fun of internet trads who dishonestly dichotomize everything, and also clearly can't handle any remotely egalitarian arrangements with a woman ). It's really just not clever. You're being more ideological than I am, which I guess I invited by referencing the political baggage people are bringing to this discussion, when I am just saying a lot of people would still be blaming June for the relationship failing if she had stood up for herself in the wrong way as well.
The debate is really just about image and feeling. June is the loser and annoying so everything she does is wrong and justified with hasty political pandering.

 

[KateHikes14]

No I really don't think I do. Because you're not getting it: calculating women are usually seen as bad or insincere yet that's being offered as the correct path for June. I just don't actually believe this is said for any reason other than it's a convenient way to judge her.

You guys are both ascribing to me hardline positions I don't hold (I usually make fun of internet trads who dishonestly dichotomize everything, and also clearly can't handle any remotely egalitarian arrangements with a woman ). It's really just not clever. You're being more ideological than I am, which I guess I invited by referencing the political baggage people are bringing to this discussion, when I am just saying a lot of people would still be blaming June for the relationship failing if she had stood up for herself in the wrong way as well.
The debate is really just about image and feeling. June is the loser and annoying so everything she does is wrong and justified with hasty political pandering.

If multiple people arent getting what you are meaning to say maybe the problem isn't theirs?

 

[Berrakh]

If multiple people arent getting what you are meaning to say maybe the problem isn't theirs?

Two people is not multiple. And I'm sorry, you really can't show where I said what you claimed I said.
You both jumped to a conclusion, which I admitted makes some sense because of how I phrased one particular part.
I don't dichotomize relationships like that. I usually have to argue against people who do because it's unhelpful and does nothing to clarify.
At this point it's clear I don't hold that position anyway, and Mr Cuddles just reiterated boilerplate I've stated before on this very topic about how June was submissive without ever getting a guarantee of commitment from Greg. Again, I just need to say it, it's not a smart response.