Should lolicon / shotacon be considered drawn child pornography?

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Is OP a pedophile?

  • yes

    Votes: 828 75.1%
  • no

    Votes: 169 15.3%
  • it should be regulated, not outright banned

    Votes: 105 9.5%

  • Total voters
    1,102

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Bullying Βancho
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How bad is loli/shota really?
I myself am quite divided on the topic.

Firstly, I do recognize that any erotic material pertaining to children is bad because it proliferates the fantasies of sexually abusing children, causing pedophiles to be more likely to do it when they lose control.
But I also recognize that a lot of people enjoy loli and shota without being pedo irl nessecarily, so it's also a difficult question of perspective.

The law hasn't really ventured here, and most if not all discussion of the subject is just autistic whining about "it isn't real so it isn't real, i'm not hurting childs (yet)" vs. "bro ur just a pedo u filthy fucking pedos need to be shot".

I'd be interested to know your thoughts, because it keeps me up at night whether I should support the censorship of drawn CP vs. the acceptance of it.
 

Varg Did Nothing Wrong

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Firstly, I do recognize that any erotic material pertaining to children is bad because it proliferates the fantasies of sexually abusing children, causing pedophiles to be more likely to do it when they lose control.

Much in the way Doom and Mortal Kombat proliferate the fantasy of killing people with chainsaws, rocket launchers and uppercuts, causing inherently violent people to be more likely to commit heinous acts of mutilation and dismemberment when they lose control.
 

Jerry_ smith56

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But I also recognize that a lot of people enjoy loli and shota without being pedo irl nessecarily, so it's also a difficult question of perspective.

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Lolis are kids and if someone enjoys loli art that means that they are attracted to minors which by definition makes them a pedophile. If pedophiles continue to engage in their fetish, then its only a matter of time before they end up acting on their desires. No pedophile ever starts off raping kids, they gradually build up their fetish over time. What may start off as fapping to lolis will escalate to looking at real kids and before you know you are fapping while watching kids. If your friends are into loli you need to get them help instead of encouraging them.
 

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Much in the way Doom and Mortal Kombat proliferate the fantasy of killing people with chainsaws, rocket launchers and uppercuts, causing inherently violent people to be more likely to commit heinous acts of mutilation and dismemberment when they lose control.
There is a very real difference between sexual fantasies and violent videogames.

So you're saying that your sex-life is not a direct result of your sexual fantasies?

Is violent behaviour a result of your violent fantasies then?

I'd say yes to the first and no to the second.

I think this is a composition/division fallacy that many people don't really understand.

What may start off as fapping to lolis will escalate to looking at real kids and before you know you are fapping while watching kids.
People have been pedo for centuries, however.
If not for loli, pedophiles might find another outlet for this type of sexual gratification.
 

Varg Did Nothing Wrong

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There is a very real difference between sexual fantasies and violent videogames.

Prove it.


So you're saying that your sex-life is not a direct result of your sexual fantasies?

No, amazingly enough, not every person who fantasizes about being raped goes out and tries to get raped. Not everyone who fantasizes about having sex with an anthropomorphic dog goes out and fucks someone in a fursuit.

It's totally possible to have fantasies that stay fantasies for various reasons. Not everyone is a slave to every whim that crosses their mind.


I think this is a composition/division fallacy that many people don't really understand.

Again, please prove it instead of just stating that something is something.
 

kindercola

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Saying that someone is a degenerate/morally corrupt or a pedophile because they like lolicon/shotacon is recursive thinking.

You are using the label ''degenerate'' without properly defining it. It would be like saying that someone who is vegan is a degenerate, and then upon being asked what a degenerate is, saying that a vegan is a degenerate.

Instead of using half baked logic and bad allegories, cite the prolific amount of studies you can drawn from to provide proof for your opinion. We paid for this research using our tax dollars/university tuition for a reason.
 

Tranhuviya

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Saying that someone is a degenerate/morally corrupt or a pedophile because they like lolicon/shotacon is recursive thinking.

You are using the label ''degenerate'' without properly defining it. It would be like saying that someone who is vegan is a degenerate, and then upon being asked what a degenerate is, saying that a vegan is a degenerate.

Instead of using half baked logic and bad allegories, site the prolific amount of studies you can drawn from to provide proof for your opinion. We paid for this research using our tax dollars/university tuition for a reason.
LOLI IS CHILD PORNOGRAPHY
 

Lackadaisy

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Saying that someone is a degenerate/morally corrupt or a pedophile because they like lolicon/shotacon is recursive thinking.

You are using the label ''degenerate'' without properly defining it. It would be like saying that someone who is vegan is a degenerate, and then upon being asked what a degenerate is, saying that a vegan is a degenerate.

Instead of using half baked logic and bad allegories, cite the prolific amount of studies you can drawn from to provide proof for your opinion. We paid for this research using our tax dollars/university tuition for a reason.

no you are pedo
 

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Prove it.
"These findings challenge the frequent assertion that child-pornography offenders are “only” involved with “pictures,” such that they pose no significant risk of direct commission of a sexual offense against a child. The findings indicate the importance of online criminal investigations that target so-called “Internet sex offenders,” since such investigations are likely to result in the apprehension of child molesters. Although these men may attribute their search for child pornography to “curiosity” or a similar unthreatening motivation, the findings of the current study suggest the likelihood that they have also engaged in the sexual abuse of children."
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=248706

No, amazingly enough, not every person who fantasizes about being raped goes out and tries to get raped. Not everyone who fantasizes about having sex with an anthropomorphic dog goes out and fucks someone in a fursuit.
You're whipping out the fallacies today buddy.
I never said that everyone follows their sexual fantasies to a T, you claim I do (strawman).
What I did say is that your sex life is influenced by your sexual fantasies, are you claiming they're always 100% seperate in every case?

Again, please prove it instead of just stating that something is something.
Alright, here's my proof.
I say: Loli might influence people to become predators.
You say: That can't be true, videogames don't influence people to become murderers, that proves it!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition
 

Boroqcin

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When talking about whether this should be illegal or not we have to look at why actual CP is illegal.
CP is illegal because it does harm to children. Let me repeat that, CP IS ILLIGAL BECAUSE IT DOES HARM TO CHILDREN. It is recorded abuse that is profited off of. It is a business that encourages more abuse. There are real victims.
Saying a piece of paper tricked you into thinking it was a small anime girl so these drawings should be banned is about as sound an arguement as saying Die Hard tricked you into thinking that people got hurt so we need to ban movies. There are no victims.
Honestly the best arguement against it is “it’s icky” and “people I don’t like enjoy it”. You can’t just ban everything a pedophile might enjoy because you hate them. That’s not what the law is for.
 

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When talking about whether this should be illegal or not we have to look at why actual CP is illegal.
CP is illegal because it does harm to children. Let me repeat that, CP IS ILLIGAL BECAUSE IT DOES HARM TO CHILDREN. It is recorded abuse that is profited off of. It is a business that encourages more abuse. There are real victims.
Saying a piece of paper tricked you into thinking it was a small anime girl so these drawings should be banned is about as sound an arguement as saying Die Hard tricked you into thinking that people got hurt so we need to ban movies. There are no victims.
Honestly the best arguement against it is “it’s icky” and “people I don’t like enjoy it”. You can’t just ban everything a pedophile might enjoy because you hate them. That’s not what the law is for.
Except we have studies that prove otherwise.https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=248706
https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=248706

And not to mention the fact we feel an emotional connection to cartoon characters in movies etc. because they represent real people.
There's a reason we actually enjoy and make cartoons you know?

Also, loli IS actually illegal in a lot of countries, this includes many US states, Australia, England, Canada.
Most of the English speaking world, really.
So "It's not illegal because it's not bad" is not really an argument.

I'd like to add that I'm playing devil's advocate, I am ever so slightly on the side of allowing CP.
 

Nien Nunb

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When talking about whether this should be illegal or not we have to look at why actual CP is illegal.
CP is illegal because it does harm to children. Let me repeat that, CP IS ILLIGAL BECAUSE IT DOES HARM TO CHILDREN. It is recorded abuse that is profited off of. It is a business that encourages more abuse. There are real victims.
Saying a piece of paper tricked you into thinking it was a small anime girl so these drawings should be banned is about as sound an arguement as saying Die Hard tricked you into thinking that people got hurt so we need to ban movies. There are no victims.
Honestly the best arguement against it is “it’s icky” and “people I don’t like enjoy it”. You can’t just ban everything a pedophile might enjoy because you hate them. That’s not what the law is for.
I don't really disagree with what you said outside of the last bit, but nigga you need to sit and think.

Nobody is going to go look for drawn CP unless they get aroused by kids. It's not the fact that pedos are into it, it's the fact that only pedophiles are into it.