Should lolicon / shotacon be considered drawn child pornography?

[Baraadmirer]

Unless the loli/shota character bears more than a passing resemblance to an actual child and engages in questionable acts, no, it shouldn't be considered child porn. Someone who unironically likes it raises red flags from me, but that's because they're creepy and not because of supposed pedophilia.

 

[What the shit]

Yes it should.

 

[Jack Awful]

I see it less as actual child porn and more of a warning sign.

Like in a vacuum loli doesn't hurt kids the same way child porn does, but I can't see a reason to actually own loli other than you being a pedophile.

 

[Big Scumfuck]

I see it less as actual child porn and more of a warning sign.

Like in a vacuum loli doesn't hurt kids the same way child porn does, but I can't see a reason to actually own loli other than you being a pedophile.

"There's no reason to own a violent video game other than you wanting to commit violent acts in real life"

 

[byuu]

It's like furry porn. They just like the art style. And we all know no furry ever had sex with animals, especially not roadkill.

 

[Aria]

We wouldn't even have this thread if people could just keep their godammn fetishes to themselves.

 

[sideofthematress]

What is the definition of 'bad'? Cartoon CP is questionable in terms of morality, but it's technically not against the law, unless it is based on a real person. However, it doesn't mean that it is accepted by the majority consensus. For example, remember when Doopie drew Hatsune Miku? People didn't like it, but she could get away with it, since Hatsune isn't a real person. This is why things like Boku no Pico exist.

In regards to whether drawn CP makes people more likely to reenact their desires on real children, just remember that even if it gets banned, people will find a way to obtain it regardless.

You know I would be cool with all of that but the way these people are treating being a degenerate like a religion to the point they think that they are above morality is what really rubs me the wrong way.

 

[Sarvon]

What I don't understand is how this has gone for 49 pages. The answer is "yes" and any further debate just gives claim to either you're a pedo or pedo sympathizer.

 

[sideofthematress]

If you don't do anything illegal/creepy alongside fapping to loli, I don't care. If it's fictional and only fictional, it shouldn't be illegal. Whether or not I think it's immoral depends on the person.

Just like how furries aren't all degenerates that are turned on by IRL wolves, lolicons aren't all pedophiles who should be busted by Chris Hansen. Are there lolicons that should be arrested? Yeah, of course! But not for anything directly involving the creation/consumption of loli.

But you are talking as if this stuff exists in a vacuum which is a fallacy within itself cause this is the internet we are talking about and not done is private where no one can see it. Plus the more readily available this stuff is being posted on public websites makes it to easy for fucked up weirdos who are specifically looking for sexy kid art in specific. ie. Pedophiles.

 

[SSj_Ness]

What I don't understand is how this has gone for 49 pages. The answer is "yes" and any further debate just gives claim to either you're a pedo or pedo sympathizer.

...But you didn't just answer "yes", and further debated.

 

[thebananaonion]

Reading Null's post some pages back I thought about something. At least from what I understood Pedos are basically born/molested to be what they are, but there is also the cases of Coomers who basically burn out their brain and eventually reach CP since nothing can satisfy them anymore. Is there a difference between the two (especially since the latter is only really possible in modern times)? Since for the first the argument of loli/shota being banned doesn't matter, but for the latter it's a logical step in the downward spiral.

one's being born as such so you kinda screwed from the get go.

one your groomed into by messed up people around you. Either some kids become pedos because they were raped as a child by an adult so its just 'normal' behaviour to them or unlocks a weird fetish (fetishes normally come about in teenhood- scientists still don't know why but possibly just 'one neuron sparks for sex, and another neuron at the same time sparks for 'A'. 'A'is now a fetish).

last one is just desensitization and addiction. Why do you think many alcoholics drink stronger stuff/more of the thing as they go on or druggies do harder drugs/more as time goes on? the body gets use to it but wants more to set of your feel good sensors in your brain. Vanilla just doesn't cut it so you need harder stuff, then even harder stuff, then even more until you end up near dead due to an drug overdose or in jail because you can only get of to little kids. You just don't just get a cp addiction for no reason

 

[All becomes gunt]

Hentai in general is a slippery slope. Don't spank it to these things or you will slowly go down that slope. Long and short yes.

 

[Solar Eclipse Paradox]

All kinds of pornography are bad. If this said piece of media doesn't have anything more than pornography. Then it's rendered a virtual drug.

 

[UnsufficentBoobage]

I just wanted to note that "muh fictional violence" argumentation hinges on sanity of person, and you show me a mentally ok modern internet user.
Damn, I have an example of sorts in my own mother, who needs to be isolated from TV if you need to talk, because she mirrors any negative in there (while not otherwise known for mirroring),

 

[Rock Rock Hard Abs]

Listen, the thread title already answered itself: It *is* child pornography in a majority of the world, but its usually down to individual tastes at the end. You may love it, hate it, want it gone, or something else, but in the end, I believe the majority of the world believes it to be rather disgusting and has the potential to possibly lead down into real pedophilia.
Still doesn't mean that people have to hyperfocus on the drawings and artists themselves and instead question the people who might have real CSEM material.

 

[Gourmet Race]

Depends honestly. If someone drew Greta Thunberg getting blacked when she was a minor, then it should be considered drawn child pornography. If it's fictional, then no. However, those who fap to children, regardless whether they're fictional or not, and has the audacity to defend their fetish in a moral sense, deserves to jump off a cliff. The world would be a better place without them.

 

[Stan]

Loli/shota are unfortunate but imo protected speech under the 1st Amendment. Sort of like Kiwi Farms.

 

[Skitzels]

The more important question is, what ethnicity makes up the majority of Lolicons on the internet?

I’ve noticed (on Twitter at least) that the vast majority are usually spics

 

[Secret Asshole]

I know I get shit for this, but:

Nobody can groom a drawing.
Nobody can rape a drawing.
Nobody can abuse a drawing.
Nobody can manipulate a drawing into thinking sex is ok.
Nobody can force themselves on a drawing and threaten to kill it if it talks to the parents.
Nobody can take a drawing to a drag show or an explicit pride parade and fuck them up for life.
Nobody can manipulate a drawing over the internet to become a troon, take hormones and cross state lines.
Nobody can convince themselves that drawings represent real situations

Drawings don't have parents, friends, uncles or anything.
Drawings don't exist in reality.
Drawings don't make billions for sex slavers and criminal organizations.
Drawings can't be killed once people are done with them.
Drawings can't follow themselves around in real life and relive the abuse again and again.
Drawings don't have to experience the trauma of their abuse again by going to court.

All of these things are why child porn is illegal and loli is not. If there's no one being harmed, there is no reason to ban it. I've already stated my exceptions and I'll do so again. But there is no victim, so there is no crime.

Also there is very little to no evidence that lolicon leads to pedophilia at all. HOWEVER, there is a large body (literally) of evidence that cannibal fetishism leads to rape and murder. That fetish has actually killed people, so if you're looking for something to ban, focus on things we have evidence for.

 

[Fools Idol]

I know I get shit for this, but:

Nobody can groom a drawing.
Nobody can rape a drawing.
Nobody can abuse a drawing.
Nobody can manipulate a drawing into thinking sex is ok.
Nobody can force themselves on a drawing and threaten to kill it if it talks to the parents.
Nobody can take a drawing to a drag show or an explicit pride parade and fuck them up for life.
Nobody can manipulate a drawing over the internet to become a troon, take hormones and cross state lines.
Nobody can convince themselves that drawings represent real situations

Drawings don't have parents, friends, uncles or anything.
Drawings don't exist in reality.
Drawings don't make billions for sex slavers and criminal organizations.
Drawings can't be killed once people are done with them.
Drawings can't follow themselves around in real life and relive the abuse again and again.
Drawings don't have to experience the trauma of their abuse again by going to court.

All of these things are why child porn is illegal and loli is not. If there's no one being harmed, there is no reason to ban it. I've already stated my exceptions and I'll do so again. But there is no victim, so there is no crime.

Also there is very little to no evidence that lolicon leads to pedophilia at all. HOWEVER, there is a large body (literally) of evidence that cannibal fetishism leads to rape and murder. That fetish has actually killed people, so if you're looking for something to ban, focus on things we have evidence for.

I agree that we shouldn't punish people because they have an unfortunate fixation on some distasteful media if there hasn't been a real victim but I have a problem with the conclusion that lolicon/shotacon isn't pedophilia.

People who receive sexual gratification from the depictions of children fictional or otherwise are pedophiles. You can draw a line under this issue and say because it's a drawing it doesn't matter but that completely misses the point. Lolicon/shotacon is a fetish where the focus is on the youth of character not the media that the of content is delivered in and what do we call a person who is sexually attracted to the young?

We can discuses about what kind of pedo they are or whether they'll become offending or not all day but to simply write off the connection between these two (supposed) groups is stupid.