Should prostitution be legal? -

KatsuKitty

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Can I start a politics thread? What do you think about prostitution being illegal? I figure it's a relevant question given OPL's halfassed virgin-breaker moment.

You see, I don't know what to think of this myself. There are certain things I don't like about prostitution, these things don't differ too much from other legal types of sex work, and I can't help but wonder if legalizing it and taxing it would alleviate some of the ills associated with prostitution.

I've heard the argument that it affects disadvantaged women, but from my experience in the gay community, I find it affects anyone who is disadvantaged regardless of gender. So, the social ills of prostitution are by far not an exclusive women's issue, but rather an issue affecting economically poor individuals. This leads me to believe; are laws against prostitution just another tool the "haves" use to keep the "have nots" out of their pristine White neighborhoods? You often hear police refer to prostitution as a "quality-of-life crime", a phrase reserved for any event which is indicitave of declining living conditions. To these people, sex work is so deplorable that they believe it reflects a declining standard of living.

With this in mind, is prostitution simply just a crappy income option not available to poor straight men? And how does it differ from other types of sex work? I've seen plenty of gay men eschew prostitution for a far more destructive option; enrolling themselves in porn movies that will get passed around until the last part of the Internet stops working. Yet, none of us argue that pornography should be illegal, despite the fact that safe practice prostitution will not follow anyone beyond a single night.

This leads me to believe the only reason prostitution is illegal is to oppress the poor. Nothing else really makes sense. It's a matter of not wanting "those" people in "your" neighborhood. What do "those" people do? Fuck like bunnies with strangers, of course. What comes to mind when you think of someone who's done a porn movie, or submitted to prostitution?

Anything embroiled in the underground breeds crime; simply look at prohibition as a reference point. There are women who don't get paid for any of the work they do, get used like paper towels, and thrown away. But is this because of the nature of the practice, or because organized crime is in charge of it all? How big of a dent can we put into this problem if we taxed and regulated it, keeping (more of) it out of the hands of crime syndicates? Would that do any good? I think I'd love to see studies on that before anything else.

I think prostitution laws come from an old world mentality where government was viewed as the moral shaper of the people, and that the ideal exercise of law enforcement was the most effective solution to any problem. But ninety to a hundred years of experience tells us that government has little, if any effect on our morals, and that certain social ills were far better addressed through regulation. A prime example of the latter would be our country's ineffective War on Drugs vs. other countries' treating it like a health problem in need of rehabilitation, drastically reducing recidivism compared to our "punish 'em" mentality.

What do you think? Should Chris be allowed to buy all the sex he needs?
 

The Hunter

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KatsuKitty said:
but from my experience in the gay community
Oh, you and I are gonna get along fabulously. ♥

...okay, I'll tone down the gay stuff.

Anyways, it is the world's oldest profession, and everyone's gotta make money somehow. I can't personally get behind it because the idea of prostitution turns me off, but if people are allowed to pay girls and film each other having sex and post it on the internet for even more money, then I think people should be allowed to do it off camera. Although it can lead to some pretty nasty stuff like unwanted pregnancy, STDs, etc. I think it's kept illegal for the same reason drugs should be illegal. It provides no real purpose other than pleasure and can lead to really painful and fatal shit like the aforementioned STDs. But yeah, it's legal in lots of places, and they seem to be doing just fine. Besides, what's wrong with living next to a prostitute? According to Desperate Housewives, it's more common than you think.
 

Grand Number of Pounds

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Obviously you've put a lot more thought into than I have.

I remember the UN saying it should be legal, although I didn't hear the rationale behind it. I thought it was a good idea, because just like your drug war analogy, people are going to get whatever they want regardless of whether it's legal or not.

Prostitutes do face a lot of hazards. Not just STDs, but also a lot of hookers get killed by their johns. Many prostitutes keep guns in their possession just in case.
 

KatsuKitty

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GrandNumberOfPounds said:
Obviously you've put a lot more thought into than I have.

I remember the UN saying it should be legal, although I didn't hear the rationale behind it. I thought it was a good idea, because just like your drug war analogy, people are going to get whatever they want regardless of whether it's legal or not.

Prostitutes do face a lot of hazards. Not just STDs, but also a lot of hookers get killed by their johns. Many prostitutes keep guns in their possession just in case.

In Nevada anyway, prostitution is only permitted in tightly-regulated brothels. Safe environments like these can provide a sort of harm-reduction effect to those who find themselves caught up in it, but whether or not this is effective as it sounds needs to be researched.
 

Grand Number of Pounds

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I remember hearing about a news anchor who went into legal prostitution because she could make thousands of dollars a night with the right client.

A john is a person who pays for sex, right? It isn't the prostitute's boss? I think I'm getting my slang mixed up.

I don't think it's that good of a career choice, because just like strippers and porn stars, once you reach a certain age, no one wants you anymore. It pays really well when you do get work, though.
 

DykesDykesChina

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GrandNumberOfPounds said:
I remember hearing about a news anchor who went into legal prostitution because she could make thousands of dollars a night with the right client.

A john is a person who pays for sex, right? It isn't the prostitute's boss? I think I'm getting my slang mixed up.

I don't think it's that good of a career choice, because just like strippers and porn stars, once you reach a certain age, no one wants you anymore. It pays really well when you do get work, though.
A "john" is the customer, the "pimp" is the "boss". But there are many prostitutes who do not have pimps and are their own bosses. It's like running a one-person-company in that case - that's the type of prostitution I support.
 

Bugaboo

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Shit like pimps and people forced into the sex trade should be illegal. But if someone is totally okay with having sex for money then why should we stop them?
I agree with the part where even if it's illegal people will do it anyway, I think it would do more harm than good as well with people forced into the the sex trade being arrested and they can't seek help from authorities becuase they'll just be arrestested again.
 

renomakicwc

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I for one am against the spread of STDs. So I think it should be kept illegal.

Besides, people are making strides in mast-debating equipment these days. Isn't that good enough?
 

Null

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renomakicwc said:
I for one am against the spread of STDs. So I think it should be kept illegal.
All brothels in Las Vegas mandate condom usage. All women are screened for STDs every quarter(?) and before they are allowed to start. All rooms are fitted with multiple silent alarms for the girls' protection.

It's safer and cleaner to have prostitution be a legal commodity.
 

Holdek

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People become prostitutes for a variety of reasons, and none of them are good.

I would have to vote for keeping prostitution illegal because that "industry," legal or not, is filled with people who wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't for a drug habit.

Yeah, there are "high class escorts" who get lots of money and fuck Saudi princes on yachts, and they do it because they value making lots of money with little effort over their own dignity, and that's a personal issue that I don't think the government should be trying to wade into at this time, but I'm pretty sure that's the exception.

In any event, better to go after the abusive pimps and the johns for the reasons I mentioned above.
 

Mobin Salahari

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Absolutely it should. Prostitution is a victimless crime; the exploitation/danger that prostitutes face is largely a result of them not having any legal authorities to report such problems to. Also, there's the little issue about sumptuary laws never, ever being even remotely enforceable. Trying to do so is just a waste of resources, because people are always going to be willing to do whatever it takes to get their fix, whatever that may be.
 

Some JERK

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A lot of the people willing to sell themselves for cash have some fairly nasty substance abuse problems which are being exploited.

Edit: I didn't see that Holodek had already raised that very point, but i guess it's worth mentioning twice. I'll also add that one of the arguments against prostitution is that there are many satellite crimes that can come with it. (drugs, rape, violence, robbery, etc...) having sex with complete strangers isn't always the best idea in the world for either party. The idea being that a horny psychopath isn't going to see you as a human being... and that viewpoint is kind of backed by the fact that he just kinda bought you for an hour. refuse to do the super-disgusting thing he wants you to do, and things can get really crazy, really quick.

However, if it's well regulated and run with a safety-for-everyone mindset, i don't see a problem.
 

Picklepower

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I think if there is regulation, and health standards put in place, to prevent the spread of STDs, then yeah I would have no problem with it being legal. Sure to many it is morally icky, and I myself wouldn't go to a prostitute, but if you think about it, prostituting your self is exchanging your services for cash. If I offer to paint some ones fence for cash, you wouldn't say I was exploiting myself. Plus if it was regulated, as with the Bunny Ranch in Vegas, or whatever its called, you would eliminate the need for pimps.

If a guy offered me $500 to have sex with him, and I do, should I be punished by the law? I think doing that would be reckless behavior, but the law cannot protect people from bad choices, if those choices do not harm others.
 

NoDarkies

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I think prostitution should be legal. Firstly, prohibiting anything cultivates a criminal element around it. When it comes to prostitution, you're dealing with human beings. Making it a legal act allows those involved to seek appropriate help they would otherwise be unable to avail themselves of without legal repercussions. There's nothing immoral about sex, nor sex between two consenting adults for money, and it shouldn't be the government's place to dictate that.
 

Marvin

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Picklepower said:
If a guy offered me $500 to have sex with him, with us both using protection, and I do, should I be punished by the law? I think doing that would be reckless behavior, but the law cannot protect people from bad choices, if those choices do not harm others.
What about age of consent laws? If a younger person consented to a sex act (not in the legal sense, but in the common sense), but they were below the age of consent, the government is essentially legislating their ability to make bad choices. There's always questions about whether people are being exploited or if they can't be trusted to make their own decisions.

Honestly, I think with the mess of potential choices you can make in a free country, I think there are a few instances where the government could justify legislating some of your behavior. They should do their best to permit you to have as much freedom as possible, but I don't think we need to have a country with unlimited personal freedom. If we have some laws people describe as "protecting people from their bad choices," I'm willing to live with that.*

I don't really have a strong opinion on prostitution either way. I think that would come down to a long debate, with lots of numbers and arguments and things like that. I mean, I guess prostitution probably should be legalized. It's unfortunate and unpleasant, but it'll happen anyway so we should probably regulate the shit out of it, like we do with pornography.

*Heh, although, I break laws I disagree with on a regular basis, so, maybe I'm a little bit biased here.
 

Holdek

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Marvin said:
*Heh, although, I break laws I disagree with on a regular basis, so, maybe I'm a little bit biased here.

*yawn*
 
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