Should teenagers work? - Should teenagers be "learning to code" or working at McDonalds?

[PaleTay]

I've seen some people suggest countries should lower the minimum age children could start working so that locals can compete with the rising cost of living caused by migrants, and it made me think about the expectation that teenagers and students should work. The expectation is there regardless of whether the money is needed as "experience matters" in finding a job for recent graduates.

I would argue that fast food and retail (generally) teach awful habits and customer service skills and overall are miserable and abusive places to work, which make people hate work at a young age. Furthermore, people sacrifice their academics, their health, and the development of their skills in order to become a wagey. They even promote awful eating habits by supplying staff with free or cheap fast food or pastries, or pushing the idea of getting fast food because they're "busy". I think you could make a case if such jobs taught even good interpersonal or customer service skills, but if anything they seem responsible for the terrible customer service skills I see in the general world.

It seems like teenagers working is just a means of pushing mindless consumerism on a younger generation and getting cheap labor at the cost of the health and intelligence of future generations. I've met many younger people who struggle with technology, and any slightly difficult subject and I have to wonder how much of the dumbing down of society is a consequence of spending their time working retail instead of studying.

Should there be a push for teenagers to focus on their studies or developing high value skills for their future? Or even just a focus on fitness and cutting down on the obesity of society?

 

[Samoyed]

change ur title to this

 

[Tofu Dust]

Yes. Letting teens get jobs gives them some independence and teaches them a lot of the things they'll need to know getting into the workplace as an adult. Taxes, scheduling, managing money, it's all gotta be taught some time. Might as well be in their teens.

 

[Unassuming Local Guy]

The average western person doesn't become an adult until they're in their 30s these days, and a huge part of that is that they're in daycare until they're 22. Unless you're getting a stem degree or you're becoming a lawyer or something, college is the world's most expensive and least effective babysitter. Nothing more. Look at how retarded the average ivy league graduate is for proof.

The overwhelming majority of people should drop out of high school at 16, learn a trade, and become productive and self sufficient before they're even old enough to vote. High school is even more of a joke then college is.

Fast food and retail should be relegated to teenagers and the mentally handicapped like it used to be, if anything just to get people away from the insane notion that being a Burger King cashier should pay a living wage. It's literally a job a chimp could do. It's objectively not worth more than minimum wage. It exists so kids can take home a little extra money and contribute in some small way to society.

 

[the fall of man]

Everyone wants to share the wealth
Nobody wants to share the work

 

[I Love Beef]

Yeah, they should. For those with a stable homelife, it helps them learn about the working world. For those with a shitty/poor homelife, it allows them cash and a breather. If there's anything to blame, it's school. School has stagnated so fucking bad in terms of giving out a good education and giving youth the drive to both strive and learn. Takeovers by emphasis on testing, mandated curriculums to meet bullshit quotas, shitty outdated teaching methods, and lack of anything applicable for the real world makes school look like a complete waste of time. Moreover, with how society is tripping over itself before landing on its own knife, youth aren't guided mentally or physically at that age either in glorified daycare, being instead taught to be good cogs instead of being good people.

Fuck school.

 

[Orion Balls Deux]

Takeovers by emphasis on testing, mandated curriculums to meet bullshit quotas, shitty outdated teaching methods, and lack of anything applicable for the real world makes school look like a complete waste of time. Moreover, with how society is tripping over itself before landing on its own knife, youth aren't guided mentally or physically at that age either in glorified daycare, being instead taught to be good cogs instead of being good people.

Fuck school.

No. Fuck administrations trying to get ahead. And fuck school funding guidelines based on national test results. If teachers didn't need to stop their regular programs to get kids ready to pass the stupid tests, the students would be better off. Those who want to learn, will. Those who don't, won't. You can't forcefeed an education. Especially once people reach the age of employment.

 

[ZeCommissar]

Lol people are going to think work sucks regardless, and most people are going to be stuck being wageys even if they start to work at 25.

It seems like teenagers working is just a means of pushing mindless consumerism on a younger generation and getting cheap labor at the cost of the health and intelligence of future generations. I've met many younger people who struggle with technology, and any slightly difficult subject and I have to wonder how much of the dumbing down of society is a consequence of spending their time working retail instead of studying.

Should there be a push for teenagers to focus on their studies or developing high value skills for their future? Or even just a focus on fitness and cutting down on the obesity of society?

Most successful people I know had to work a shitty job here and there as teens before they built up their business and career. The ones that didn't either got lucky or were born into money.

If someone has the drive to be highly successful they will, and those that don't will be stuck as wageys until they do. If someone wants to study they will even if they work retail.


The lack of studying usefully is because of how absolutely fucking useless modern schooling is. School doesn't exist now to make you a useful member of society, but instead a wagey. School will actually crush the drive out of people who have one. Homework is a fucking joke that kids either don't do at all, or just complete by regurgitating information without really learning it. It is entirely possible for someone to make high marks in school, and still come out the other end of it all being a dumbass.

College was also pushed to the point that a degree is extremely standard now, so now people don't stop endlessly crying about their $35,000 student debt with massive interest they will never be able to pay off at starbucks even though they have a degree. This is worse for dumber kids, or kids who wont be able to afford a college without gibs or working early. Once 10000 jamals have a degree it really won't matter anymore, and due to AA they probably didn't have to work as hard anyway.

 

[Radical Cadre]

Yes teenagers should work and as long as the conditions are safe and the individual is capable and willing, children should be allowed to work as well.

 

[PaleTay]

The lack of studying usefully is because of how absolutely fucking useless modern schooling is. School doesn't exist now to make you a useful member of society, but instead a wagey. School will actually crush the drive out of people who have one. Homework is a fucking joke that kids either don't do at all, or just complete by regurgitating information without really learning it. It is entirely possible for someone to make high marks in school, and still come out the other end of it all being a dumbass.

College was also pushed to the point that a degree is extremely standard now, so now people don't stop endlessly crying about their $35,000 student debt with massive interest they will never be able to pay off at starbucks even though they have a degree. This is worse for dumber kids, or kids who wont be able to afford a college without gibs or working early.

I think it goes beyond school being shit, as most people fail or effectively fail math, science, and technology related courses which is just sad. Homework prepares people for wagey work and it becomes a circular problem of stupid teachers producing a system which contributes to stupid students.

Studies expand past school, and I'd say that a kid learning how to code, edit videos or audio, or even design something well is a more valuable use of time. Theoretically, this could lower frivolous university debt as people would be more likely to do something useful with whatever post-secondary education they pursue.

 

[Not Really Here]

Yes.
The sooner they see what taxes are like the better.

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

I love the theory that experiencing employment makes children retarded and spiteful.

It runs against all my personal experience, but you do you honeybear.

 

[Takodachi]

Why wouldnt they?
It teaches them about the value of money and gives them a bit of independence, I see absolutely no reason why a teenager shouldnt work.

 

[HumanHive]

Working under 18 is very much a class thing. If you’re poor you have to, if you’re rich you don’t.
That said, schools don’t prepare kids for the real world at all. We need to rethink educational assignments entirely, and have kids work towards group goals instead of some retarded TEST TEST TEST TEST focus.
And I say that as someone who was good at tests. By the time I got to college I felt like Sisyphus.

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

Studies expand past school, and I'd say that a kid learning how to code, edit videos or audio, or even design something well is a more valuable use of time. Theoretically, this could lower frivolous university debt as people would be more likely to do something useful with whatever post-secondary education they pursue.

You place way too much faith in a system and imagine it has greater purpose than being a glorified day-care center. Those same teachers who teach nothing, support their ignoramus graduates going to the same colleges that taught them and certified their worth with an equal measure of debt.

A Real Ponzi Scheme.

 

[PaleTay]

You place way too much faith in a system and imagine it has greater purpose than being a glorified day-care center. Those same teachers who teach nothing, support their ignoramus graduates going to the same colleges that taught them and certified their worth with an equal measure of debt.

A Real Ponzi Scheme.

I just think traditional work is a worse system whereas independent or traditional education has the potential to have positive impacts in something. Traditional work necessitates the army of migrants taking over the nations and has led to normies becoming fat and stupid. Beyond that I have to assume that every service based business is going to try to rip off their consumer at every opportunity.

Yes.
The sooner they see what taxes are like the better.

I doubt it's a coincidence that during furlough the narrative shifted from "fuck taxes" to "the government itself is authoritarian and run by evil pedophiles".

I love the theory that experiencing employment makes children retarded and spiteful.

It runs against all my personal experience, but you do you honeybear.

Young people are extremely angry, and most people in general cannot do simple math, struggle with science, and can only use technology to an extremely basic level as well as being overfat with addictions and severe mental illnesses. I don't know why you think the children are doing well at all.

 

[Niggernerd]

It's literally a job a chimp could do

Pfft racist

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

I just think traditional work is a worse system whereas independent or traditional education has the potential to have positive impacts in something. Traditional work necessitates the army of migrants taking over the nations and has led to normies becoming fat and stupid. Beyond that I have to assume that every service based business is going to try to rip off their consumer at every opportunity.

You think work is worse than going to school ... ok - keep buying into that, and paying for it. Some of us will get real jobs and earn actual money.

Young people are extremely angry, and most people in general cannot do simple math, struggle with science, and can only use technology to an extremely basic level as well as being overfat with addictions and severe mental illnesses. I don't know why you think the children are doing well at all.

I know, it sounds like a fate almost worse than death. If only there was a cure for all your woes, oh yea, its called HARD WORK, SUCKA!

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Yes.

Moreover, public school should be largely removed. We should bring back apprenticeships, with state subsidies to professionals for taking on apprentices. Basically what money is spent on education now can be spent paying for professionals to spend some time training their replacements.

Who would you rather trust healing you, a middle aged man who has spent a lifetime healing and helping healers, or a dude who just got his degree, who spent most of his life studying books?

Teenage angst is also probably largely driven by the meaningless of teenage life.

Intellectuals should be liquidated.

 

[PaleTay]

You think work is worse than going to school ... ok - keep buying into that, and paying for it. Some of us will get real jobs and earn actual money.

I'm fairly well off financially, I have zero debt.

Yes, corporations are far more responsible for migrants and social justice than schools are. And most businesses will fuck their clients just as hard as schools fuck their students.

I know, it sounds like a fate almost worse than death. If only there was a cure for all your woes, oh yea, its called HARD WORK, SUCKA!

Money doesn't buy happiness, you still have to live in this dystopia.

Yes.

Moreover, public school should be largely removed. We should bring back apprenticeships, with state subsidies to professionals for taking on apprentices. Basically what money is spent on education now can be spent paying for professionals to spend some time training their replacements.

Who would you rather trust healing you, a middle aged man who has spent a lifetime healing and helping healers, or a dude who just got his degree, who spent most of his life studying books?

Teenage angst is also probably largely driven by the meaningless of teenage life.

Intellectuals should be liquidated.

That's closer to what I'm saying than the current system, but I'd trust the bookworm due to the issues with the medical system itself create the possibility that a medical apprentice might be sabotaged to make the professional look better or remove competition. I am cynical enough about human nature to want a centralized sort of organization to ensure that the industries advance technologically and are taught at a competent level.