Signal receives subpoena from the United States Attorney’s Office in the Central District of California for their user data -

Ahriman

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Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data, Central District of California


It’s the first half of 2021 – nearly five years since the “first half of 2016” – but in many ways not much has changed. The United Kingdom is still trying to figure out Brexit, another Justin Bieber song hit #1 on the charts (is it too late now to say sorry?), and Signal still doesn’t really know anything about you.

So when we received this subpoena from the United States Attorney’s Office in the Central District of California, it felt like 2016 all over again. Nostalgia can be great, and just like last time we got in touch with the ACLU to work with them on our response.

Because everything in Signal is end-to-end encrypted by default, the broad set of personal information that is typically easy to retrieve in other apps simply doesn’t exist on Signal’s servers. The subpoena requested a wide variety of information that fell into this nonexistent category, including the addresses of the users, their correspondence, and the name associated with each account.

Just like last time, we couldn’t provide any of that. It’s impossible to turn over data that we never had access to in the first place. Signal doesn’t have access to your messages; your chat list; your groups; your contacts; your stickers; your profile name or avatar; or even the GIFs you search for. As a result, our response to the subpoena will look familiar. It’s the same set of “Account and Subscriber Information” that we provided in 2016: Unix timestamps for when each account was created and the date that each account last connected to the Signal service.

That’s it.

Savvy readers of the documents below will notice something new: the “Information Sufficient to Show Interstate Wiring” segment in the subpoena and response, which appears to be intended to support a jurisdictional theory that Signal messages cross state lines, even when they are sent between users in the same state. These questions weren’t in the subpoena from 2016, and they feel like something out of a Law and Order episode from the mid-90’s when “The Internet” was still young and people didn’t really understand how it worked.

If you live in the United States and your friend in Montreal takes a picture of the downtown skyline outside of their window and sends it to you over “The Internet,” have you just visited Canada? Is your friend now an “international” photographer whose work is so powerful it transcends borders? These are questions for a good lawyer, we suppose.

Speaking of good lawyers, we’d like to thank the ACLU for their assistance – particularly our counsel for this response, Brett Max Kaufman and Jennifer Granick.

We’d also like to thank everyone who uses Signal. Our commitment to you remains unchanged. We’ll keep working with effective and talented organizations like the ACLU to respond to future government requests, and we’ll keep publishing our responses here.



TL;DR they told the glowbois to go fuck themselves.
 

Who...

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Its good the government is consistently being told to fuck off by these services, but that's still no reason to trust them absolutely, especially considering some of them (VPNs especially) may very well be honeypots colluding with the government (or ARE the government) behind the scenes.
These methods work now, but I doubt it'll last forever. Legislation will be passed forcing them to keep more information, use weaker encryption, etc., and at that point, you'd need to take matters into your own hand to ensure encryption is up and running, that is if you aren't already.
 

Ahriman

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They're located deep in Commiefornia so it's only a matter of time.

Either way,

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With endorsements coming from fuckhead Jack I'd steer clear from it.
 

DumbDude42

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Signal is basically the only secure messenging I'd use besides carrier pigeon right now.

Who knows how long that will last.
i try using carrier pigeons but it never works
haters say that's because glueing letters to the random pigeons i catch on the street isn't the proper way to do it, but i think the real issue is that government snipers are watching my house and shoot down every pigeon i send out :jacepout:
 

Dom Cruise

I'll fucking Mega your ass, bitch!
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This reminds me of @Dom Cruise and others saying that 2016 never really ended.

Anyway it's nice to hear some good tech-related news for once.
It's true, we are in many ways frozen in 2016, worryingly even after Trump is out of the White House.

It's been a shitty 5 years, I'll tell you what.
 

Merrick

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From what I can conclude, the cockups in the federal government agencies are going after "right-wing extremist groups" with a desperate fervor - this is just one more sign of that desperation. However, they're going to be hard up in finding conservatives or those farther to the right to take some blame for extremism. The right-wingers are talking to each other offline, unless you count harmless boomers on Facebook. They know not to trust online communications. So really, they're chasing after ghosts.

With the Twitter brush-up of conservatives after Joe Biden was elected, I did hear Signal was an option for the fleeing users, but I think most of them either went completely in-person or went to Telegram.

Signal is basically the only secure messenging I'd use besides carrier pigeon right now.

Who knows how long that will last.
Both the arsonist and showoff in me prefer smoke signals.
 

Disappointed Kenny

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  • Registration requires a phone number
  • E2E encryption only for voice calls and Secret Chats
  • Servers are not open source
  • Lacks published formal third-party audits
  • Logs IP Address and other metadata
This is not an endorsement of Signal.
You forgot the most grievous sin: it's full of furries.
Also not an endorsement of Signal.
 

Dick Justice

If you say "normie" you are that which you condemn
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IMO there are problems with all of the messengers, some have evil leadership (ie the troons who run discord), require phone #, or are lacking major features.

Maybe that's why I haven't moved off of Discord (:_(
This is a false equivalency. "I could leave the warzone where they're genociding my people, but I hear the other places have problems with vandalism and less public transportation."
 

Flabba_Wabba_Jabba_Noonga

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IMO there are problems with all of the messengers, some have evil leadership (ie the troons who run discord), require phone #, or are lacking major features.

Maybe that's why I haven't moved off of Discord (:_(
Discord would hand over every single piece of information about you at the mere threat of it from any government authority. They're fucking pussies and would absolutely cave. I'm sure Xianhao from China would put up a better fight over Telegram than some soydev.
 

TheSkoomer

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Telegram, Signal; all shit. Allegedly "private" messengers should not have access to a phone's contact list.

"Session" is slightly better, being a fork of Signal that uses generated hashes instead of the phone's contact list. And routing all data over Lokinet. Unfortunate that Lokinet uses blockchain to store peer info instead of just directly sharing peer info between all clients.
 

Xarpho

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I imagine it's only a matter of time before Bidens goons show up here to demand user information. Lots of wrong thinking on this webzone.
The article fails to mention exactly what was said or done to demand user information, and for what it's worth, the feds did show up here when some libtard sperg went off with "let's blow up the Capitol" or some such nonsense.

My personal take is that KF is crawling with sleeper feds that build up profiles on people and connect dots looking for people to entrap/monitor, but no one is going to ask for a blanket "dox everybody" request or openly ask something like "how do you do fellow gamers, who wants to kill some nonwhites today?"
 
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