Skyrim Modding Community - Over a half-decade giving birth to gullible programmers

[Pointless Pedant]

Good to see modding drama isn't confined to the Sims community. Ugh.

This is the kind of shit that just put me off even using mods for most games.

Honestly, might be better to make this more of a general modding drama thread, since Minecraft also has its spergs
like the dude who's mod fucks up you install if it detects its being used with some other dudes mod.

I haven't noticed that much drama in the Paradox modding community, other than that the developer of a modern day mod for Hearts Of Iron 3 was a September 11 truther and historical flag mods for the game are banned from their official forum. If this gets expanded to a general thread, I'll at least share what I know.

 

[proteus4994]

I haven't noticed that much drama in the Paradox modding community, other than that the developer of a modern day mod for Hearts Of Iron 3 was a September 11 truther and historical flag mods for the game are banned from their official forum. If this gets expanded to a general thread, I'll at least share what I know.

From what I've seen, most of the Paradox drama comes from disagreement on historical accuracy in mods. Poles making mods that turn Poland into a superpower that can defeat the rest of Europe in six months, that kind of thing.

More or less, the type of drama you'd expect to see in the Paradox modding community. Hell, I'd even argue it's the type of drama that make the mods better.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

From what I've seen, most of the Paradox drama comes from disagreement on historical accuracy in mods. Poles making mods that turn Poland into a superpower that can defeat the rest of Europe in six months, that kind of thing.

More or less, the type of drama you'd expect to see in the Paradox modding community. Hell, I'd even argue it's the type of drama that make the mods better.

I just remembered there was a Nazi mod for Stellaris which made all humans white. There's plenty of drama to go around.

 

[proteus4994]

I just remembered there was a Nazi mod for Stellaris which made all humans white. There's plenty of drama to go around.

Yeah, I know Hearts of Iron does attract the neo-Nazi crowd and there's always drama surrounding that.

I didn't know of any Stellaris drama, though, so that one's new to me.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Yeah, I know Hearts of Iron does attract the neo-Nazi crowd and there's always drama surrounding that.

I didn't know of any Stellaris drama, though, so that one's new to me.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...tory-stellaris-mod-that-made-all-humans-white

 

[GrandTheftAutism]

The Sims modding community is 60% women, 30% teenaged girls, and 10% creepy pedophiles. All of whom love whining and bitching about each other. It's great, really.

Eh, not all the men who do Sims stuff are pedos. A grand number of them are assholes, though.

 

[John Titor]

Here's the video about the Floating Market incident by the reviewer in question (just the first minute, he didn't go in-depth):

Spoiler: NSFW, may contain lewd mods

I don't think he was getting sued, the modder was threatening to sue. Not sure how it would work because she's in Ireland while MxR is American.

What about the chick from Nexus Elianora or the Dark One, Trainwiz drama and the whole /tesg/ crew

NovaJam got scared off because /tesg/ spergs gave him shit for Summerset Isles mod and his review of it when it turned out to be a shit mod he was crucified for saying it was a good mod because people claim he was paid for his review. I liked him personally and he made funny videos but the autism within the community runs a bit too deep when it comes to Skyrim it's clearly serious business to a lot of people. I personally dont understand how people get that attached.


Why did I need to see Garys Real Mares here.. god damnit I should know better

I heard of Elianora but not of any drama. She admitted that she doesn't take criticism well in the classiest way possible: Making a mod where a character modeled after her told people to go fuck themselves.

Don't remember who Dark One is. I thought TrainWiz is an alright guy so I don't know what drama he got himself into other than the one where SJWs whine about him. I can also vouch that the guys at /tesg/ can be such major cunts.

 

[GentlemanFaggot]

I haven't noticed that much drama in the Paradox modding community, other than that the developer of a modern day mod for Hearts Of Iron 3 was a September 11 truther and historical flag mods for the game are banned from their official forum. If this gets expanded to a general thread, I'll at least share what I know.

Well, technically it was a mod and then became an actual game PDX was going to publish, but Magna Mundi ended hilariously.

PDX cancelled the game, but that wasn't the end of it: the modder/developer, Ubik, started claiming that he had complete ownership over the Clauswitz Engine and continued developing without a team, despite the fact that it was clear the game was cancelled because it was buggy and nowhere near complete, while making endless legal threats against PDX.

Last we heard, he was involuntarily committed to a mental asylum by his father.

 

[giga]

For a good source of cringe, you can just download any (and I mean ANY) female follower from the nexus.

Spoiler: Fun Examples!

and the first mod in this video:

and probably the one with the "BEST" voice acting

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Well, technically it was a mod and then became an actual game PDX was going to publish, but Magna Mundi ended hilariously.

PDX cancelled the game, but that wasn't the end of it: the modder/developer, Ubik, started claiming that he had complete ownership over the Clauswitz Engine and continued developing without a team, despite the fact that it was clear the game was cancelled because it was buggy and nowhere near complete, while making endless legal threats against PDX.

Last we heard, he was involuntarily committed to a mental asylum by his father.

Is that East Versus West? That wasn't what I was talking about, but it's funny to hear just how wrong that went.

 

[GentlemanFaggot]

Is that East Versus West? That wasn't what I was talking about, but it's funny to hear just how wrong that went.

Sorry, I worded that badly. I was just talking about Magna Mundi which was an EUIII mod turned cancelled game.

I didn't know that the East VS West guy was a Truther. Honestly, I was actually looking forward to that game and was very disappointed when it got cancelled. Conversely, I always thought MM was an overrated mod.

 

[Redeemer and Destroyer]

NovaJam got scared off because /tesg/ spergs gave him shit for Summerset Isles mod and his review of it when it turned out to be a shit mod he was crucified for saying it was a good mod because people claim he was paid for his review.

Novajam actually made a video reaming the utter shit out of the Summerset Isles mod. He took it down from his own channel after backlash and someone had the courtesy to reupload it. I watched it a while back before it got taken down (due to copyright claims) and the most good Nova talked about was its potential, but for the rest of the video he commented about the horrendous quest structures (some were incompletable to the point where you had to go into the console and do it there), fetch-style quests, scaled structures to the point of clipping through them or even getting stuck, and vast empty landscapes with blown up buildings that weren't scaled correctly, rendering the insides of buildings empty. The mod author tried to compensate for this by adding in a metric fuckton of NPCs. 99% of them had no dialogue whatsoever, and the few that did were forgettable and only existed to provide more terrible quests.

It was 19 minutes of pure critiquing bliss and I wish someone had a copy of it to share.

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

This thread makes me miss Morrowind, the golden age of RPG storytelling.

In any case, there's something very funny about modding communities taking themselves so seriously, demanding to be "credited for their work", asking for money, and so on. I just can't understand it. I have heard every legal and social argument under the sun for this one but at the end of the day, no matter how elaborate your mod was, you're still doing the equivalent of writing Sonic the Hedgehog fanfiction. You can't really elevate it to a level beyond that and all efforts to do so are futile.

I suppose back in the days of Morrowind this was more true (Morrowind was one of the more original works in any field to be produced in the last twenty or thirty years and you were arguably dicking with something a lot more creative and distinctive than its successors) but post-Oblivion, you're still not that much better off trying to act like an artistic genius because you can work with basic modding tools.

Skyrim's community somehow degenerated even further than Oblivion's which is rather impressive.

 

[Ruin]

This thread makes me miss Morrowind, the golden age of RPG storytelling.

In any case, there's something very funny about modding communities taking themselves so seriously, demanding to be "credited for their work", asking for money, and so on. I just can't understand it. I have heard every legal and social argument under the sun for this one but at the end of the day, no matter how elaborate your mod was, you're still doing the equivalent of writing Sonic the Hedgehog fanfiction. You can't really elevate it to a level beyond that and all efforts to do so are futile.

I suppose back in the days of Morrowind this was more true (Morrowind was one of the more original works in any field to be produced in the last twenty or thirty years and you were arguably dicking with something a lot more creative and distinctive than its successors) but post-Oblivion, you're still not that much better off trying to act like an artistic genius because you can work with basic modding tools.

Skyrim's community somehow degenerated even further than Oblivion's which is rather impressive.

Well written Skyrim mods exist. These two in particular in my opinion are actually better written than the base game.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/48467/?
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/80130/?

Also Someguy2000 author of the amazing New Vegas Bounties series developed a lore friendly Skyrim quest mod as well.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/72817/?

 

[Overcast]

Now, I can understand modders that fix bugs or improve inherently shitty stuff in a game, but then there's those modders that try and make characters look like super models, even if it makes no sense in context.

I see videos where they doll up someone like Veronica from Fallout: New Vegas. Like, the girl spends her life scavenging for the Brotherhood, and her big wish is to get a dress. Somehow, I doubt someone like her has access to make up or hair products.

It's a small thing, but it just comes off as strange to me.

But I guess at the end of the day, it's their game and they can mod it how they please.

 

[GethN7]

This thread makes me miss Morrowind, the golden age of RPG storytelling.

In any case, there's something very funny about modding communities taking themselves so seriously, demanding to be "credited for their work", asking for money, and so on. I just can't understand it. I have heard every legal and social argument under the sun for this one but at the end of the day, no matter how elaborate your mod was, you're still doing the equivalent of writing Sonic the Hedgehog fanfiction. You can't really elevate it to a level beyond that and all efforts to do so are futile.

I suppose back in the days of Morrowind this was more true (Morrowind was one of the more original works in any field to be produced in the last twenty or thirty years and you were arguably dicking with something a lot more creative and distinctive than its successors) but post-Oblivion, you're still not that much better off trying to act like an artistic genius because you can work with basic modding tools.

Skyrim's community somehow degenerated even further than Oblivion's which is rather impressive.

As someone who has seen most aspects of the modding community in general, I can tell you where you will likely find the biggest modder cows.

In order from least to greatest:

The least cowish of them all would be utility and modder resource makers for games. They tend to be more focused on producing a working utility or resource for other modders to use, and generally want to provide a tool or resource instead of attention whoring. It's very rare for anyone who makes these sorts of mods to be a jackass.

Bugfix modders are a little higher on the potential cow scale. Most tend to be more about fixing bugs and that's it, but some, like Arthmoor, can be kinda cowish when it comes to things they believe should have always been there or were things they deemed bugs in need of fixing. Aside from that, bugfix modders are like utility makers, they usually shun being drama whores.

Mods that add stuff to games (lore friendly or not) are potential sources of cowdom, especially if they are butthurt people don't like it or they produce the mod with a chip on their shoulder and chimp out badly if they get negative reviews. Thankfully, the majority are like 'don't like, don't download" and leave it at that.

Texture modders, especially those that make large texture conversions, these guys can be occasional sources of milk, especially if it's a polarizing mod that makes a lot of controversial changes, like makes a snowy area tropical looking, but most are generally "don't like, don't download" types as well.

We approach semi-regular cowdom with the body/nude modders, though oddly it's the prudish types who tend to be the bigger lolcows, like the ones who de-sexify armor or bodies or what have you. The other side of the scale are the fetish perverts who flip out when people shit on their mods and they tard rage over the criticism, though a fair amount of these types either hang out on adult mods sites anyway or admit it's their personal taste, they don't want to hear if it offended you, just please skip over their mods if they aren't your thing.

Sex modders, this is where it gets a bit schizophrenic. Some are actually surprisingly mature, like the guy who did the "Animated Prostitution" mod for Skyrim, who basically told the sick fucks he was NOT gonna make any bestiality/pedo stuff, he would defer to the Nexus mods discretion in all cases, and that while he was happy to lend tech support, he did not want to get shit on for making a sex mod, he just asked people who didn't like it to just pass it by. On the other hand, most of the Nexus exiles who wound up on either Loverslab or its even more extreme cousin, the Undertow forums, those types tend to be into some really deviant fetish stuff, and while they can be civil when surrounded by likeminded modders, a lot of these types got kicked off the Nexus for being told to tone it down or not host their stuff on the Nexus, and many of them didn't take kindly to being told no.

On the adult modding sites, it gets even fuzzier. Loverslab, as mentioned earlier, has a strict no pedophilia content rule, and while they'll indulge every other fetish they can legally make mods of, they tend to try to act like adults most of the time and keep the drama down to minimum, oddly enough.

Undertow is basically the even more perverted and less mature cousin to LL if you ask me, and unlike Loverslab, they are much less stringent on at least trying to act like adults. It doesn't help the Undertow forums have a disturbingly high amount of mods for beating and torturing people, something I noticed even Loverslab tend to shy away from, or at least doesn't focus on half as much.

However, I've found the lore-whore modders to be really big cows, like when Arthmoor INSISTED on the Oblivion Gate remains being in his mods for "realism", and while he's a pretty decent bugfixer, he's a definite drama whore over lore stuff. On a related note tend to be the "epic" mods, like Falskaar, which adds a massive, DLC sized landmass to Skyrim, but strangely I found the people who take sides over where it's good or bad to sometimes be bigger cows than the actual modders, and if you don't believe me, go check the comments where some have waged war on each other over the quality.

The worst, though, are the political/SJW modcows. One modder for FFX-2 (PC version) made the female characters have more conservative outfits, and while it was of rather good quality, she raised a lot of SJW-styled stink over it. Their political opposites aren't much better, especially if they are trying to be serious, like one modder who made a derogatory mod about some SJW (I believe it was an insulting depiction of them in Fallout 4 you could set up as a decoration) that the Nexus later took down, which caused a lot of people to mirror it and whine about suppression of free speech.

 

[ADN_VIII]

Is GUNetwork worthy of mentioning as a watchable community

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Sorry, I worded that badly. I was just talking about Magna Mundi which was an EUIII mod turned cancelled game.

I didn't know that the East VS West guy was a Truther. Honestly, I was actually looking forward to that game and was very disappointed when it got cancelled. Conversely, I always thought MM was an overrated mod.

No, the truther wasn't the East versus West developer. He was the developer of this mod:

http://www.moddb.com/mods/hearts-of-iron-3-modern-warfare

https://www.reddit.com/r/paradoxpla..._truther_inserts_conspiracy_theory_into_hoi3/

 

[Elysian]

I don't get why you'd have a slightly cringe normie female skyrim follower when you can have a talking penguin or alcoholic dwemer robot as one instead...it's interesting to find out how autistic the skyrim modding community is though. I never knew that the Civil War Overhaul dude tardraged and took his mods down. Even though I really like the game the people themselves that actually make the mods aren't really something that I keep up with. I really like following the Sims modding scene though.

Spoiler: this thread isn't a Modding General yet so I may as well spoiler my Sims community sperging for now

For those looking for Sims modding :autism:, the SimSecret Livejournal is great for that sort of thing. My favourite is when people get mad because someone has too many straight/white sims in their game and must therefore be a CLOSET XYZ-IST or when people get real :autism: over someone supposedly copying their generic kitchen counter mesh no. #357.

There's this one user of the forums who was outed as a massive pedo when someone on SimSecret outed his deviantart that was full of screenshots of sims kiddos in their underwear and creepy shota art. I think his username was...friendlysimmers?

Also I'm pretty sure at some point someone made another 3edgy5me baby eating mod like that BBQ from the Sims 2 and there was a resurgence of the original REEEE-ing from when that came out, although it wasn't as fun since no-one made a geocities tier website about it with stock baby noises that would play when you clicked things.

 

[c-no]

I don't get why you'd have a slightly cringe normie female skyrim follower when you can have a talking penguin or alcoholic dwemer robot as one instead...it's interesting to find out how autistic the skyrim modding community is though. I never knew that the Civil War Overhaul dude tardraged and took his mods down. Even though I really like the game the people themselves that actually make the mods aren't really something that I keep up with. I really like following the Sims modding scene though.

Spoiler: this thread isn't a Modding General yet so I may as well spoiler my Sims community sperging for now

For those looking for Sims modding :autism:, the SimSecret Livejournal is great for that sort of thing. My favourite is when people get mad because someone has too many straight/white sims in their game and must therefore be a CLOSET XYZ-IST or when people get real :autism: over someone supposedly copying their generic kitchen counter mesh no. #357.

There's this one user of the forums who was outed as a massive pedo when someone on SimSecret outed his deviantart that was full of screenshots of sims kiddos in their underwear and creepy shota art. I think his username was...friendlysimmers?

Also I'm pretty sure at some point someone made another 3edgy5me baby eating mod like that BBQ from the Sims 2 and there was a resurgence of the original REEEE-ing from when that came out, although it wasn't as fun since no-one made a geocities tier website about it with stock baby noises that would play when you clicked things.

People most likely just want to upload their waifu mods. Those sorts of mods always seem to be more prevalent. One would wonder why not at least make some male companions. Then again, both of them end up being more like someones fap-bait. That said, there are mods where you can have a Dwemer robot companion or a living teddy bear as a follower but those aren't getting much attention compared to someones waifu character.

Considering modding drama for the sims and earlier mention of a mod from another game, perhaps we may need a more general modding drama thread.