Sekirodiealot
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So my fellow texan kiwis, what do y'all thibk of Sylvester turner?
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very, very rarely but yeah not often, and it usually melts as it hits the ground when it does, so it doesn't really get recorded
also the storm went through my neck of the woods the other evening while I was bicycling and although it was liquid, I can see how it was very fine mist type rain blowing all the fuck over the place and why it would totally suck ass if it was snow
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Hey, Texas, you were literally left to freeze to death because the Department of Energy said "We'll grant your request for more power, but we know your old energy plants are not up to green energy standards and you still have to adhere to green energy standards lol" after ERCOT and your governor sent a request asking to increase power a week before everything went to hell.
These nifty documents have been linked to at the top:
EDIT: Took me a bit to get the exhibit A pages from the request letter, but these were the units ERCOT identified as being the most likely to reach their limits that they wanted permission to extend. Majority are natural gas energy plants.
These nifty documents have been linked to at the top:
EDIT: Took me a bit to get the exhibit A pages from the request letter, but these were the units ERCOT identified as being the most likely to reach their limits that they wanted permission to extend. Majority are natural gas energy plants.
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RandomTwitterGuy
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So i read the letter.
It is not saying they cant bring more online, but instead that they have to write a notice about it. It is in section D.
Nothing about them not being allowed, and the main issue that Texas faced was the fact that 50% of there grid is reliant on natural gass, because the extreme cold makes it harder to get the gas out of the ground.
So more plants is not going to help if you got no fuel.
This looks like another "I need to blame some one i dont like" obfuscation.
Overly Serious
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I also took it with a pinch of salt initially because this was sent to me yesterday by someone who tends to be pretty uncritical about anything that is anti-Dem. So I read it and I think it's as the poster above says. You talk about them having to detail any excess over emissions targets and that's in there, sure. But you are ignoring that they are told they will have to pay a massive sum, way over normal costs, for electricity consumption that is over emissions targets. That's a really big deal so far as I can see based on normal prices for the same tech and region.
The gas "over-reliance" thing doesn't stand up. The reason so much of the requested extra production is gas powered is because due to emissions requirements and the forcing of wind-power, Texas's many gas power stations are all around 2/3rds idle year round. Someone elsewhere was saying that in a gas power station in Texas if they have three turbines one is always offline. They requested spinning up extra gas capacity because extra gas capacity is what they have in abundance. In an emergency what do you expect them to do? Ask permission to run out and build new wind farms? Or turn on what they already have ready and waiting? I don't get how you can say it's the result of an "over-reliaance on gas power" when wind turbines were failing due to the weather and the gas-power was deliberately being run below capacity to push wind power / meet emissions targets. I think you're just doing some really limited maths reading and seeing that the largest amount of energy drop was in gas and thinking if they used less gas they'd be better off.
Nuclear > Gas > Coal >>>> Windpower.
(With solar as a special case because it depends so much on how and when used)
Calandrino
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No snow storm in Texas managed to knock out power and water for millions of people, or even keep snow on the ground for more than a day or two. I'm sure some folks picked up extra rock salt for their driveway afterwards, but nobody's going to stock the fallout shelter in their one-bedroom apartment with a week's worth of potable water because hey it might snow.
The actual warning for this was the initial COVID panic a year ago, when buying groceries etc. was impossible, but even precautions like stocking up on food and water aren't sufficient to deal with extended loss of utilities, road closure, etc. In fact, opening week of COVID was far less disruptive, and had at least as much warning, and all the yankees currently telling Texans to eat cake were no more prepared than anyone else.
Full disclosure: had to give my next door neighbor $300 and drink a bottle of his pee on video before he'd teach me how to use the pilot light on my stove, still pretty mad
RandomTwitterGuy
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My point is not that GASS plants them self was the problem, but the fact they did not have enough gas for the energy production they needed.
From naturalgasintel: a natural gas market site so it tend to be pro gas it looks to be a site that is not against natural gas in any way, so i am going to use it as a secondary source.
From the article.
The cold weather also drove a 20% drop in natural gas production in the South Central region of the country. “As a result, there wasn’t enough to supply the system’s gas generators,” the researchers noted.
The scarcity of natural gas in turn “resulted in gas generators declaring their resources unavailable (for a total of up to 31 GW),” they said. Frozen wind turbines also led to available wind capacity being cut by 2.5 to 3 GW, “although low wind was a more significant issue.”
Coal plants, meanwhile, were operating at 40% below rated capacity as of Thursday (Feb. 1, while one of the state’s four nuclear facilities was shut down because of the weather-related loss of feed water pumps.
“Texas has a power shortage because it has a gas shortage,” Everhart and Gergely said. “Given the key role gas-fired generation plays in many power systems today, resilient power systems depend on resilient natural gas systems. For the future, system planners will need to take account of increasingly extreme weather that is both hampering the supply of power and fuel and driving up demand.”
With cold temperatures gripping much of the country, gas demand in the Lower 48 rose by more than 15% between Feb. 6 and Feb. 15, Everhart and Molnar said, which also contributed to the shortfall in Texas
It is not a question of capacity, but a lack of fuel.
The entire region increases there demand and the supply fell.
This was a Cascade of failure that is related to deregulation.
AND I SAY AGIAN!!!.
Gas, by it self was not the problem. The lack of regulation around winterizing of key infrastructure was. Having more plants open and active is not going to do any thing if the main failure point was the lack of fuel to feed the plants.
I want to see this video, go get a copy of it from your neighbour and upload it here.
How in the fuck is a freak tundra storm that no-one except literal conspiracy theorists (such as myself) both saw coming and tried to mitigate suddenly a problem of lack of federal government intervention? Pull your glownigger head out of your glownigger ass.
RandomTwitterGuy
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So in this case where we have a non-mandatory winterizing and the company's did not secure there wells, pumping stations and every thing else. The answer is what? not to have regulation to secure key infrastructure. So what is the answer then?? More deregulation?? less oversight??
Do tell what is the answer to company's saving money over the sufferings of people.
WHAT IS THE ANSWER!!!.
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Coal is better then gas for reliability because you can stock pile it on site. It doesn't depend on a complicated pipeline system that may not be flowing.
Allow them to build more power plants, optimally more nuclear power plants. The federal government hasn't approved building a new nuclear power plant in decades. Last nuclear power plant to come online did so in 2016, but construction was approved in 1975.
spinal gas chamber
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Lol at the nuclear guys. Look up Santee Cooper, the amount of bureaucracy makes nuclear a non-starter. Whether or not that’s good or bad is irrelevant, when you’ve got a 50 year investment to make, well, South Carolina is an object lesson.
When you live somewhere that regularly has blizzards that drop over a foot of snow and regularly has blackouts, watching this shit unfold is so bizarre. It's like something we'd call a regular day in January is killing people.
*Edit* I guess fire places and furnaces that burn home heating oil aren't that common in Texas.
My house is heated by this furnace in my basement that burns this oil that's basically diesel from a tank on the side of the house, and the exhaust goes up a pipe through the chimney. It only requires a 15 amp circuit, and I got this outlet on the side of my house and a switch on the breaker panel that lets me plug in a little honda generator and run it when the power goes out to keep the house warm. It's really common around here.
*Edit* I guess fire places and furnaces that burn home heating oil aren't that common in Texas.
My house is heated by this furnace in my basement that burns this oil that's basically diesel from a tank on the side of the house, and the exhaust goes up a pipe through the chimney. It only requires a 15 amp circuit, and I got this outlet on the side of my house and a switch on the breaker panel that lets me plug in a little honda generator and run it when the power goes out to keep the house warm. It's really common around here.
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Most homes, especially those built since the 80s or 90s, do have fireplaces but they are really just cosmetic pieces of crap. I know of two people that have had the brick around their fireplace crack while burning a fire. On top of that, there are very few days where it gets cold enough that a fire wouldn’t be pointless overkill.
Also keep in mind that a week after all this went down, Dallas hit 80°. That’s more typical February weather than -2°. Add to that, any time in the past that we’ve had power outages, it’s usually just for a few hours max and the weather outside is more likely to be temperate enough that no electricity is uncomfortable but not dangerous. The temps alone were way outside of our norm but to have it be that cold for that long is something we never experience.
An old joke is Yes, Texas has winter. Last year it was on a Thursday.
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This is in Texas, not Colorado, you retarded urbanite shill. 'Mandatory Winterization' was simply not a concern for the Texan government or Texan energy companies thanks to all the retarded bullshit that's been peddled about Global Warming for the past few decades. As I've already said earlier, everyone except for a handful of people thought there would be negligible snow in the south this year, you included, not a fucking Canadian blizzard. Anyone who didn't think this was handwaved away as a braindead moron. Go back to Twitter and stay there, you're too low IQ for this site.
RandomTwitterGuy
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Ah yes the argument from ignorance how nice.
Every 10 or so years there is a ice storm where Texas have rolling blackouts. Every 10 years the people in charge of the government in Texas say that company's need to secure key infrastructure. Every 10 years nothing happens because idiots like you would rather die then force a company to make a bit less profit.
Also Global warming?? Only ignorant boomers use that word because they heard it 30 years ago and then never moved passed it.
Reporterward
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^^^^^^^^
EXACTLY.
It’s called “CLIMATE CHANGE”, dearie.
That way if the weather gets warmer, for a season, NGOs and corporations, and governments can grift off of it.
That way if the weather gets colder, for a season, NGOs and corporations, and governments can grift off of it.
Hurricanes and tornadoes? Climate Change.
No hurricanes and tornadoes?
Climate Change.
Poor forestry management and land use policy because of Environmentalist NIMBYs and shyster lawyers?
Climate Change.
Illegals from Guatemala crossing the border?
Climate Change.
“Refugees” from Africa sneaking into Europe for the gibs.
Climate Change.
Obama and Hillary destabilizing Syria and Libya and Egypt?
Climate Change.
Kids skipping school to smoke cigarettes at the pool hall in River City?
Capital C and it rhymes with T and that stands for Climate Change.
EXACTLY.
It’s called “CLIMATE CHANGE”, dearie.
That way if the weather gets warmer, for a season, NGOs and corporations, and governments can grift off of it.
That way if the weather gets colder, for a season, NGOs and corporations, and governments can grift off of it.
Hurricanes and tornadoes? Climate Change.
No hurricanes and tornadoes?
Climate Change.
Poor forestry management and land use policy because of Environmentalist NIMBYs and shyster lawyers?
Climate Change.
Illegals from Guatemala crossing the border?
Climate Change.
“Refugees” from Africa sneaking into Europe for the gibs.
Climate Change.
Obama and Hillary destabilizing Syria and Libya and Egypt?
Climate Change.
Kids skipping school to smoke cigarettes at the pool hall in River City?
Capital C and it rhymes with T and that stands for Climate Change.
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I get it Science bad, you dont understand it so it is bad and so on.
Something something "every one i disagree with bad" and so on.
Also i did not bring op climate change. The idiot who support deregulating key infrastructure dose.
Atleast you can know that Climate change is not real and there for snow in Texas is fake. So company's can save some money after all who cares if people from Texas suffer, i bet they are payed Jews actors.
