So What Does John Hope To Achieve With Growing Around -

[KingofManga420]

@UmaCertaPessoa: Cartoon Network and Disney Channel (of course, he won't accept Nick) do a lot of creator-driven material, so he could get a chance to write his own plots.

And he wouldn't even need to have genuine writing experience! The creators of Avatar got their own show with no writing experience and they got to write their own plots as well.

Of course, they still had experience... So he's still fucked.

I believe he means all of the plots. Creator driven shows still have a writing staff that don't all write every single episode but that doesn't mean they don't have a hand in each episode as a supervisor making sure each character doesn't act out of character and such.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

@Steamboat_Bill According to a comment he made somewhere on dA, Nickelodeon doesn't "deserve" Growing Around.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

@KingofManga420: That's the story editor's job, I think.

@Piga Dgrifm: To which the Nick executives would say, "Eh. Whatever. We're funding shows made by people with experience."

 

[KingofManga420]

@KingofManga420: That's the story editor's job, I think.

@Piga Dgrifm: To which the Nick executives would say, "Eh. Whatever. We're funding shows made by people with experience."

From Wikipedia, the writers of Avatar:

• Michael Dante DiMartino
• Bryan Konietzko
• Aaron Ehasz
• Tim Hedrick
• John O'Bryan
• Elizabeth Welch Ehasz
• Joshua Hamilton
• May Chan
• Matthew Hubbard
• James Eagan

Only the first two are the shows creators. I guarantee you most if not all creator driven shows will have a similarly long list of writers.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

@KingofManga420: I'm not doubting that most shows have a long list of writers; I brought it up because it happens to be a pretty good fact that the creators had no writing experience and yet were allowed to write on their own show - what you-know-who thinks he can get.

(With most other creators, I should note, either they have had writing experience; had enough years to get to understand the business of animation - about 10 is the minimum - or just leave the business of writing to other people.)

 

[KingofManga420]

@KingofManga420: I'm not doubting that most shows have a long list of writers; I brought it up because it happens to be a pretty good fact that the creators had no writing experience and yet were allowed to write on their own show - what you-know-who thinks he can get.

(With most other creators, I should note, either they have had writing experience; had enough years to get to understand the business of animation - about 10 is the minimum - or just leave the business of writing to other people.)

Sorry, I see what you were saying now.

 

[Twilight Sparkle]

@Steamboat_Bill According to a comment he made somewhere on dA, Nickelodeon doesn't "deserve" Growing Around.

what a loss. I'm sure Nickelodeon is deeply regretting missing out on this

 

[Someone]

@Steamboat_Bill According to a comment he made somewhere on dA, Nickelodeon doesn't "deserve" Growing Around.

"Oh crap! We lost the cartoon that was made by the world's animation authority!What a loss!"

 

[UmaCertaPessoa]

@UmaCertaPessoa: Cartoon Network and Disney Channel (of course, he won't accept Nick) do a lot of creator-driven material, so he could get a chance to write his own plots.

And he wouldn't even need to have genuine writing experience! The creators of Avatar got their own show with no writing experience and they got to write their own plots as well.

Of course, they still had experience... So he's still fucked.

True, but Enter seems to think he’d have the same amount of freedom Matt Stone and Trey Parker have with South Park. It just won’t happen.

 

[Ho Mo for Women]

@Steamboat_Bill According to a comment he made somewhere on dA, Nickelodeon doesn't "deserve" Growing Around.

It's amazing that Enter's ego has gotten so bloated at this point that he feels he can judge which TV networks "deserve" his shitty cartoon.

 

[Orthodox Chrischanity]

It's amazing that Enter's ego has gotten so bloated at this point that he feels he can judge which TV networks "deserve" his shitty cartoon.

When it's obvious that the networks view the opposite?

They would probably want to revamp a lot of things, too. Starting with the names of the characters.

 

[Stay safe]

@Steamboat_Bill According to a comment he made somewhere on dA, Nickelodeon doesn't "deserve" Growing Around.

Well he is right. Nickelodeon doesn't deserve a cartoon this bad.

 

[Twilight Sparkle]

It's amazing that Enter's ego has gotten so bloated at this point that he feels he can judge which TV networks "deserve" his shitty cartoon.

I don't think it's realistic to have the expectation that he is able to choose which network he will air on. Think of it like this. Pen ward, jumped at the chance to air a short on nick for ten minutes of one episode of a clip show, which later turned into adventure time and got picked up by CN. Enter has the opposite mindset because of his inflated ego and he just really needs to lower his expectations.

 

[Ho Mo for Women]

They would probably want to revamp a lot of things, too. Starting with the names of the characters.

Enter just doesn't realize that, if his show somehow gets picked up, it won't be just him and his gang of asskissers working on the show. Although many cartoons today, like Adventure Time, Steven Universe, and Gravity Falls, are creator-driven, the creators of those shows still don't have control of everything. Enter would have to work with writers and animators who are unfamiliar to him, and don't cater to his every whim. Enter would have to collaborate and make compromises, which he's proven himself to be incapable of. Honestly, Enter's a stuck-up prick with a huge ego who seems like he'd be hell to work with. And, frankly, his show is utter shit and would never be picked up anyway.

 

[Orthodox Chrischanity]

Enter just doesn't realize that, if his show somehow gets picked up, it won't be just him and his gang of asskissers working on the show. Although many cartoons today, like Adventure Time, Steven Universe, and Gravity Falls, are creator-driven, the creators of those shows still don't have control of everything. Enter would have to work with writers and animators who are unfamiliar to him, and don't cater to his every whim. Enter would have to collaborate and make compromises, which he's proven himself to be incapable of. Honestly, Enter's a stuck-up prick with a huge ego who seems like he'd be hell to work with. And, frankly, his show is utter shit and would never be picked up anyway.

Don't quite a few studios outsource all art and animation to South Korea? I know shows like the Venture Bros. do all art in house, but coloring and animating is done by a company over there. Shows like Avatar: the Last Airbender and its sequel, a few Cartoon Network shows like Black Dynamite and the Boondocks, and the reboots of Thundercats and GI Joe. There's a chance even then that his art crew would be booted real fast to meet the bottom line.

Granted, if I wrote a show, I'd almost want all my stuff to be done by that Korean animation studio. I love their stylization.

Seriously. Still reeling from "Bob and Linda". Did he come up with those names before or after Bob's Burgers?

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

@Orthodox Chrischanity: Most animated shows are drawn in South Korea these days.

 

[Shokew]

@Orthodox Chrischanity: Most animated shows are drawn in South Korea these days.

Well, there's more worldview shattered if he ever happens to gain the IQ required to find that cold hard truth out for this non-show of his... TBH, I can't imagine how exactly he'll take that, besides having to learn how most other cartoons not animated in South Korea are made in *shudder* dreaded Flash animation (*screams in fear*).

 

[Headbanger General]

Well, there's more worldview shattered if he ever happens to gain the IQ required to find that cold hard truth out for this non-show of his... TBH, I can't imagine how exactly he'll take that, besides having to learn how most other cartoons not animated in South Korea are made in *shudder* dreaded Flash animation (*screams in fear*).

Actually, I don't think he has a problem with Flash. In a rare case of actual critique, he mentioned in his "Dusk's Dawn" review that they didn't use Flash properly. If anything, he'll probably want it animated in Flash rather than have anyone not on his team animate the show.

 

[Orthodox Chrischanity]

Ankama does really, really well with Flash. But then, they have a near warehouse full of people working in animation.

Come to think about it, I'd really like to see Enter's reaction to Wakfu. Never will happen because 1. It's in French, and 2. Doesn't have ponies.

Also, it's a kids' show, but it likes to sneak in stuff like...

Spoiler

Might offend his sensibilities. Or pass completely over his head.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

Seriously. Still reeling from "Bob and Linda". Did he come up with those names before or after Bob's Burgers?

Several years after. Though I doubt he's intentionally knocking it off.