Sony Policy Banning Dismemberment Revealed By CyberConnect2 CEO In Discussion About Demon Slayer - First they came for the anime tiddies

[Marissa Moira]

If you read the content agreement, its basically "As long as you get a proper rating by the rating boards, we don't give a fuck." They're nowhere near like Sony, which seems to be dominated by California soyboy thinking.

If you're really putting trust in treehouse at this point, I hate to tell you this, but they're just sleeping. Their bouts of mental retardation still flare up and they're still just as pozzed as they were when Allison Rap was there. The animal crossing community is awful mostly due to them constantly sticking their fingers into it and making it their frankenstein. The Senran Kagura games like reflections had to get released physically in other territories because they wouldn't foot the bill for a physical US release and xseed had to do it themselves through limited Run.

Their lack of oversight is also why their online store and functionality blows. It's a dumping ground for shit that's even known to not work and you can't even get refunds.

Right now Nintendo is just coasting until something fucks up internally, the last direct was a major indication of this. Right now it seems to be the mario movie and Theme Parks which are getting the attention of the higher ups. Parks are a major drain because daily mainatining even when closed costs a ton. It's what happened at Epcot where the rides used to sponsored by corporations only for them to Nope out after one bad quarter because shit like Horizons was expensive to maintain. Now they have a whole subset of Universal Japan and Florida that they're dumping money into, it's a similar deal.

 

[Kosher Dill]

I'm all in favor of a policy that bans characters whose dicks have been cut off.

 

[Leonard Helplessness]

This is a misconception. Nintendo never censored in the first place. That whole thing was because all their biggest stuff was typically first party. Nintendo always put its games first and it never really used sex or gore in its games.

It doesn't have a problem with either, its just that Nintendo doesn't really focus as much on third parties as much as their own games which don't have those themes and they don't really want them. They don't care if the third party games have them, though.

If you read the content agreement, its basically "As long as you get a proper rating by the rating boards, we don't give a fuck." They're nowhere near like Sony, which seems to be dominated by California soyboy thinking.

What the hell was going on with the SNES era, where every English translation of every fucking game tap-danced carefully around the word "death?"

 

[big ups liquid richard]

What the hell was going on with the SNES era, where every English translation of every fucking game tap-danced carefully around the word "death?"

Crosses were also usually hidden in the Western release, same with scantily clad pixel girls.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Crosses were also usually hidden in the Western release, same with scantily clad pixel girls.

That was across the board and that existed even into the PS2 era. Many games had crosses altered.

 

[Exbein]

No, this shit all started in PS1 era when Sony became dominant. You cannot beat up Maria Renard in SOTN compared to Saturn, there's no booby jiggle in Kojima games like Policenauts in PS1 when you can do it in Saturn. You can get real anime tiddies in Saturn games like Super Mahjhong, Super Yakyuen, Gals Panic SS and etc.

Reminder people, THIS FUCKHEAD is responsible for pushing censorship in games for the Playstation, he started it in PS1 days.

This man pushed for games that are going to be released for the PS1 to be censored. The most famous incident is this man fought with Kojima and have the Policenauts and Snatcher censored for PS1 and won. I always wonder why this man is praised for Bloodborne and getting Japanese games for PS4 when he was the biggest supporter for censorship.

Fuck, this is making me go down the rabbit hole. was he the one responsible for getting the PS1 Resident Evil to be censored??

 

[BananaSplit]

You sure about that?
Fire Emblem is first party and has had plenty of things censored.

Nintendo of America has always been gay from the start, but this affected americans games and localizations of japanese games, including 1st & 3rd parties. The 3DS/Wii U era was also infamous when it comes to Treehouse's hijinks between the western releases of Xenoblade X, Fatal Frame V, Fire Emblem 3DS, etc.

Whereas Sony (with the SIE headquarters set in California) actively hunt down 3rd-party japanese games made for the home japanese market if they don't comply with "american sensibilities", even when the game was never intended to have a western release. And those developers are forced to submit their games for review to Sony of America's review board - in English, and during American business hours - to get approval on Sony's platform. But the main problem is that there are no written guidelines on what is and is not covered under the policy, therefore, no actual listings of what a game dev might do or not do under said policy. This functionally means that games are simply denied certification based on qualifications that the Sony's "standards & practices" office is refusing to detail to developers. This is the same behavior shown by the major social media companies that can be openly biased in their policy enforcement.

Since the Playstation brand is significantly losing ground in Japan for various reasons already cited above (the censorship strikes, the globalized western X/O button layout, the PS5 marketing more targeted towards non-japanese users, etc) and the extremely poor sale performances of the PS5 (that are below the numbers of the Wii U, a console considered a failure everywhere including Japan) are likely to piss off the large publishers. Hence why Sony fanboys are getting even more desperate for damage control lately and pretending everything is 大丈夫.

@Exbein detailed a bit already, but Sony has past records of censoring and refusing games in Japan too although nowhere to the extent and intensity of the californian branch now in charge of the PS brand since a few years ago.

 

[Raiken]

Reminds me of how it's been a big deal that the bad future version of Gohan only had one arm in the show but always had both arms and was animated fighting as if he only had one which ended up looking stupid in the games

Was that not because they needed the arm for grab moves of other characters to work?

If you want a better example; they replaced sword with sticks in dragon ball fusions.

 

[Slimeball92A]

This is about CERO ratings.

Sony are being super cautious because they don't want their mega popular anime franchise game being rated above the point where kids can't buy it.

You won't see any more Gory / Tiddy Mahjong games in Japanese arcades either because the governing arcade organization banned em.

Japan got super cagey about dismemberment years ago, The Japan region only Macross movie "Do you remember Love" Blu ray had a decapitation scene outright deleted.

Nintendo USA used to change anything with religious or violent references up to when MK got released, "A link to the past" was given to the SNES zelda game because the original title "Triforce of the gods" was forbidden by Nintendo rules.

 

[Exbein]

This is about CERO ratings.

Sony are being super cautious because they don't want their mega popular anime franchise game being rated above the point where kids can't buy it.

You won't see any more Gory / Tiddy Mahjong games in Japanese arcades either because the governing arcade organization banned em.

Japan got super cagey about dismemberment years ago, The Japan region only Macross movie "Do you remember Love" Blu ray had a decapitation scene outright deleted.

Nintendo USA used to change anything with religious or violent references up to when MK got released, "A link to the past" was given to the SNES zelda game because the original title "Triforce of the gods" was forbidden by Nintendo rules.

if its about cero ratings, let the rating boards decide. Why the fuck Sony is trying to do their job?

some publishers are ok with their games being rated Cero D or Cero Z, by the things are going, I think PS4 is the last time we'll be seeing ecchi games for the playstation

The truth is they are just strong-arming the relatively small money makers or anime games from IPs they own. I bet that Sony will never ever dare touch FGO, specially when they have "troubling" designs like Helena, Abigail, Wu.

Mind you, that is an official art of Helena in FGO, and you can get it in the game. Even the Japanese analyst pointed out the hypocrisy of Sony that they are pushing for censorship but doesn't start with its own garden by censoring FGO. That's just peak Sony bullying small publishers.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Nintendo never censored in the first place.

Why are so many people saying this. Fire Emblem, Fatal Frame, and others have already been mentioned, but Nintendo has always been censorship happy. From the SNES version of Mortal Kombat not having blood, to a scene in Freedom Fighters where you blow up a petrol station to kill snipers on the roof being replaced with you setting tires on fire to block their view.

Nintendo only stopped censoring violence during the GameCube, and that might be because they got that Capcom deal for exclusive Resident Evil games.

Sony are being super cautious because they don't want their mega popular anime franchise game being rated above the point where kids can't buy it.

I doubt that. Sony had no problem with adult anime games until recently. The PS3, PS4, and PSVita were region free. When games like Dead or Alive Xtreme stopped getting a western release, weebs started importing them. That is when Sony started getting so gung-ho about anime games, they're trying to cut them off at the source in part so weebs can't import them.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I doubt that. Sony had no problem with adult anime games until recently. The PS3, PS4, and PSVita were region free. When games like Dead or Alive Xtreme stopped getting a western release, weebs started importing them. That is when Sony started getting so gung-ho about anime games, they're trying to cut them off at the source in part so weebs can't import them.

If they were going to do that they would have implemented region locking for the PS5 since you're already able to do that, and for some games like Persona 5 that happened. Blu-rays by design are not region free and there are many ways to lock other regions out it's just nobody really bothers.

if its about cero ratings, let the rating boards decide. Why the fuck Sony is trying to do their job?

CERO has it's requirements already known, all they're doing is adding an amputated arm back in. They're making the changes beforehand so they don't need to make the changes after it's known it would get rejected for it's specific rating that they want the game to adhere to.

It's like trying to aim for a G rating for a kid's movie and you have full screen violence, that's not going to get you a G rating in any circumstances. To be honest the west has done this before numerious times and taken properties intended for older audiences and toned them down from their source material in versions for mass market/children. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Jurassic Park, Aliens, Robocop. This is basically what's happening to Demon Slayer.

The anime already uses the black blood/shadowing and camera angles to hide the violence,

 

[Exbein]

If they were going to do that they would have implemented region locking for the PS5 since you're already able to do that, and for some games like Persona 5 that happened. Blu-rays by design are not region free and there are many ways to lock other regions out it's just nobody really bothers.


CERO has it's requirements already known, all they're doing is adding an amputated arm back in. They're making the changes beforehand so they don't need to make the changes after it's known it would get rejected for it's specific rating that they want the game to adhere to.

It's like trying to aim for a G rating for a kid's movie and you have full screen violence, that's not going to get you a G rating in any circumstances. To be honest the west has done this before numerious times and taken properties intended for older audiences and toned them down from their source material in versions for mass market/children. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Jurassic Park, Aliens, Robocop. This is basically what's happening to Demon Slayer.

The anime already uses the black blood/shadowing and camera angles to hide the violence,

the CC2 CEO is the one that divulge that Sony is the one that asked them to put back Minato's arm. Sony is trying to do CERO's or EOCS's job.
Any Naruto game has always been Cero B. that's with multiple character deaths and stabbings. Even Dragonball, with all its violence just gets to Cero B. I don't see a person missing an arm automatically bumps the rating from B to C or even D.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

i mean i get it. its a game aimed at teenagers and they want to keep the age rating for the game as low as possible.

im surprised the show is Shonen jump since it dose have quit bit of blood and the need to decapitate demons to actually kill them for the most part.

 

[BananaSplit]

the CC2 CEO is the one that divulge that Sony is the one that asked them to put back Minato's arm. Sony is trying to do CERO's or EOCS's job.
Any Naruto game has always been Cero B. that's with multiple character deaths and stabbings. Even Dragonball, with all its violence just gets to Cero B. I don't see a person missing an arm automatically bumps the rating from B to C or even D.

Dragonball Kakarot has indeed dismemberment in the japanese version. See related video in 24:00 timestamp. This does prove Sony's is indeed making the calls of what is allowed or not within the PS platform instead of letting CERO making the ultimate verdict.

i mean i get it. its a game aimed at teenagers and they want to keep the age rating for the game as low as possible.

im surprised the show is Shonen jump since it dose have quit bit of blood and the need to decapitate demons to actually kill them for the most part.

Dragonball Z Kakarot has a B rating (age 12+), which is the strict minimum a publisher can have for a shounen fighting game. At least if my memories serve me well.

 

[Marissa Moira]

the CC2 CEO is the one that divulge that Sony is the one that asked them to put back Minato's arm. Sony is trying to do CERO's or EOCS's job.
Any Naruto game has always been Cero B. that's with multiple character deaths and stabbings. Even Dragonball, with all its violence just gets to Cero B. I don't see a person missing an arm automatically bumps the rating from B to C or even D.

Cero has weird cultural norm rules but every organization like it does. And yes the same thing happened with both Dragonball and Naruto they did add amputated arms back in when it was brought over to other territories.

The point is it's an arena fighter so it's intended to be out by X date and for X audience, to coincide with other media from the franchise being released so everything ties in. They're the laziest genre outside of Dynasty Warrior type games.

 

[Exbein]

Dragonball Kakarot has indeed dismemberment in the japanese version. See related video in 24:00 timestamp. This does prove Sony's is indeed making the calls of what is allowed or not within the PS platform instead of letting CERO making the ultimate verdict.

Dragonball Z Kakarot has a B rating (age 12+), which is the strict minimum a publisher can have for a shounen fighting game. At least if my memories serve me well.

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That's is why Sega Saturn is the best console ever. Even Cero 18 (old Cero rating) can be sold on the system

Cero has weird cultural norm rules but every organization like it does. And yes the same thing happened with both Dragonball and Naruto they did add amputated arms back in when it was brought over to other territories.

The point is it's an arena fighter so it's intended to be out by X date and for X audience, to coincide with other media from the franchise being released so everything ties in. They're the laziest genre outside of Dynasty Warrior type games.

I don't know, it has graphic/cartoony violence, it will have a minimum Cero B rating whatever they do. The only games that I can think of that has violence and rated Cero A is Street Fighter and Rockman and possibly Kamen Rider, but most of the time, they hover toward A-B depending on the season. A subject material like Demon Slayer will always be Cero B minimum guaranteed rating, unless the devs is pushed to make 4Kids-tier censorship

 

[ZMOT]

This is about CERO ratings.

sony being more anal than CERO has been known for years, so that excuse doesn't fly.

Also the button layout for the playstation now alligns with both the xbox and Nintendo by having D be the confirm button, like you keep reaching for the same shit that's grasping at straws.

xbox as western as it gets, also dead so not an argument, new western default goes against the widespread asian norm where circle = correct. that's not reaching, that's a fact. either you're willfully ignorant or don't know better (despite consuming a lot of weebshit): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_mark

worse, for a sonyfag you also should know your own history:

I gave each symbol a meaning and a color. The triangle refers to viewpoint; I had it represent one's head or direction and made it green. Square refers to a piece of paper; I had it represent menus or documents and made it pink. The circle and X represent 'yes' or 'no' decision-making and I made them red and blue respectively. People thought those colors were mixed up, and I had to reinforce to management that that's what I wanted."

https://web.archive.org/web/20110705174449/http://www.1up.com/news/playstation-1-design

so unless you want to confirm sony is also switching the button labels for asian dualshocks to follow their own design and cultural norm, this change is fucking retarded, even more so when most companies already handle it themselves just fine on their own when they want to publish in different regions.

I mean if they really were going to nuke japan why the fuck did they spend billions of dollars acquiring anime to cross promote it with playstation.

didn't we already talk about you reaching in the culture wars general? do I really have to point out why a third fucking time?

 

[Marissa Moira]

I don't know, it has graphic/cartoony violence, it will have a minimum Cero B rating whatever they do. The only games that I can think of that has violence and rated Cero A is Street Fighter and Rockman and possibly Kamen Rider, but most of the time, they hover toward A-B depending on the season. A subject material like Demon Slayer will always be Cero B minimum guaranteed rating, unless the devs is pushed to make 4Kids-tier censorship

It's more or less that this game is tied to a larger Media and merch rollout. That's why they're giving it extra scrutiny. The Movie in japan made a shitload of money. Everything anime related I think falls under what Kenichiro Yoshida wants because he wanted the 4th Pillar anime thing.

 

[Exbein]

It's more or less that this game is tied to a larger Media and merch rollout. That's why they're giving it extra scrutiny. The Movie in japan made a shitload of money.

And the movie got a rating of equivalent of Cero B.