Space Jam A New Legacy - From Black Panther to Bugs Bunny

Does the original Space Jam hold up?


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Adamska

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There's a difference though. The child does it because it's fun and besides buying the toys its free and not being sold as a product. The business does it because it's cynical, it's done to revive IP or brag about it, and it's being sold as a product.

Seriously, this just invites not even mediocrity.
 

starborn427614

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The first is fine.

2 is an especially bad example of what they’re taking about here, it goes overboard.
Can't say I've watched it. I was annoyed that they changed the conceit from games to internet memes and it didn't help that the emoji movie was still fresh in my mind at the time.
 

José Mourinho

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Once again, there's nothing wrong with crossovers or IP blending if you can implement it right. There's a reason why Who Framed Roger Rabbit? is still widely liked even today.

And yes, cartoons can be just elaborated toy commercials, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles first spawned from a line of action figures and even the Pokemon anime series is just an extended commercial for their games, but even as such they are still liked for being entertaining.

Now try doing it for this Space Jam movie where they just cram their IPs in a crowd of audience for no reason apart from "Hey guys, remember us?".
 

Xerxes IX

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Once again, there's nothing wrong with crossovers or IP blending if you can implement it right. There's a reason why Who Framed Roger Rabbit? is still widely liked even today.

And yes, cartoons can be just elaborated toy commercials, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles first spawned from a line of action figures and even the Pokemon anime series is just an extended commercial for their games, but even as such they are still liked for being entertaining.

Now try doing it for this Space Jam movie where they just cram their IPs in a crowd of audience for no reason apart from "Hey guys, remember us?".
It's all about the ratio of IP promotion to entertainment value you get from seeing the different characters and elements from different worlds interact. Some like Roger Rabbit and the first Wreck it Ralph do it well, some like this film, the Emoji Movie, and something like Scoob not so much. They're so soulless and unentertaining that there's nothing to distract you from the IP promotion element, so it's easy to see these movies as shitty advertisements.
 

Jar-Jar Fanboy

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One of the reasons I disliked Wreck It Ralph 2 was because it felt like Disney was stroking their own cock and showing of all the things they own. We got the Princesses, Marvel, Star Wars, and the Muppets motherfucker. Bow before us!

Well, the Space Jam trailer made me feel the same way about WB. Oh, its a basketball and Looney Tunes movie? Fuck that! We got The Flintstones, Scooby Doo, DC Superheroes, and a shit ton of movies yo! Look at how awesome we are!
I was honestly so disappointed in Wreck-It Ralph 2, because I actually quite liked the first one. The idea of Ralph becoming too attached to Vanellope was good, and him learning to let her journey off to do her own thing could have made for a great story. But why did it have to be set in the internet, and why did Disney have to shove every IP they own into it? I would have liked it a lot better if they stuck with video games, but maybe they shifted from the arcade era, to the console era. Maybe Vanellope sees newer versions of Ralph and Felix starring in platformers, or more open-world type games, and, sick of racing around the same tracks every day, she sets out to find a new genre of her own, and star in her own adventure. I don't know, it sounds like a straight to DVD sequel idea, but what we got was shit, and I'd prefer almost anything else
 

Truthboi

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I don't think Wreck it Ralph is on the same level as RP1 or Space Jam 2. Ralph's character actually have a point in the context of film beyond "member???" whereas the others are literally just there for cameos.
Honestly only three films have really done this IP blending well which was the first Wreck it Ralph since the world is inside of an arcade and some of the video game characters add to Ralph's character (mainly the other video game villains), Who Framed Roger Rabbit since the cartoon characters help the world and they aren't used to compensate for a garbage story like in Space Jam 2 and RP1, and the Lego Movie (and perhaps the Lego Batman Movie) since the characters in the movie are literally controlled by a child's imagination so it makes perfect sense they'd bring in other characters as well.
 

SSF2T Old User

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What was wrong with the Monstars? I loved them as a kid, along with the cute nerdluck alien designs. For obvious nostalgia-bait, they're not giving me enough things to recognize and clap at, even with all these out of place franchises.
Technically they can't re-use the Monstars... they only looked buff after they stole the other NBA's "essence" or powers or whatever. At that point it would just be a re-boot rather than a sequel if they just told the first story again except its in the future.
 

Syaoran Li

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There's only two good mega-crossover movies.

One is Who Framed Roger Rabbit and the other is The Dragon Lives Again.

The Dragon Lives Again did the whole "Pooh's Adventures-tier autistic crossover fanfiction in movie form" schtick a whole lot better than Ready Player One, Space Jam 2, or Wreck-It Ralph.

I mean, you had Bruce Lee and Popeye the Sailor Man teaming up to save the Yama King from being overthrown by an evil conspiracy comprised of Dracula, James Bond, Clint Eastwood, Michael Corleone (who's referred to as "The Godfather" for some reason), Emmanuelle, and Zatochi the Blind Swordsman

Plus you've got naked women, toilet paper mummies, guys in Halloween costumes, and random usage of "Kung Fu Fighting" that was probably unlicensed.


It was a lot more "genuine" in its autistic crossover cringe and less of an excuse to flex how much IP's a company owns.

(It probably helps that most of those crossovers were unlicensed and they only got away with it because it was Hong Kong in the 70's)
 
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Admiral Mantoid

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Technically they can't re-use the Monstars... they only looked buff after they stole the other NBA's "essence" or powers or whatever. At that point it would just be a re-boot rather than a sequel if they just told the first story again except its in the future.
True enough, but from the crapped-out logic of this movie, the original Space Jam is now just a movie within a movie in this setting, and everything's digital, so nothing stopping Don Cheeto from just dragging the Monstars from out of a clip of the original movie and giving them updated powers or get the little guys in the present and give them new celebrity NBA powers from some website's data or some bullshit because fuck it. Its dumb as fuck, but at least it sounds more interesting than what we got and the little Moron Mountain aliens being evil again would make sense since they've been ignored by the Looney Tunes since their first appearance. Honestly, this villain team and Don Cheeto are just really bad, to the point where I actually regret talking shit about the /tv/ team... almost. Just replace Leto Joker with literally any other Joker and nu-Pennywise with classic Curry Pennywise or better yet fucking Beetlejuice who is almost Looney Tuney himself.
 

starborn427614

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True enough, but from the crapped-out logic of this movie, the original Space Jam is now just a movie within a movie in this setting, and everything's digital, so nothing stopping Don Cheeto from just dragging the Monstars from out of a clip of the original movie and giving them updated powers or get the little guys in the present and give them new celebrity NBA powers from some website's data or some bullshit because fuck it. Its dumb as fuck, but at least it sounds more interesting than what we got and the little Moron Mountain aliens being evil again would make sense since they've been ignored by the Looney Tunes since their first appearance. Honestly, this villain team and Don Cheeto are just really bad, to the point where I actually regret talking shit about the /tv/ team... almost. Just replace Leto Joker with literally any other Joker and nu-Pennywise with classic Curry Pennywise or better yet fucking Beetlejuice who is almost Looney Tuney himself.
The Broadway version of Beetlejuice was on Teen Titans Go! at one point (with the guy who played him in the show) so it's not too far fetched of an idea.
 

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CheezzyMach

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The trailer is mediocre, but not entirely terrible, it does give the impression that it's gonna be a dumb silly movie which for this case I'll shrug my shoulders and not get angry about it.

I don't get the point behind these unrelated cameos, it reminds me of that recent average South Park special where they threw a bunch of old characters just for cameo's sake to remind you "Hey, remember that character in that old episode??????". Why even spend that budget just for external IPs for just cameos?
This. It's going to be a dumb popcorn flick for kids like the original was.

Don't see why neckbeards and even this place are seething over it.
 

SteelPlatedHeart

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This. It's going to be a dumb popcorn flick for kids like the original was.

Don't see why neckbeards and even this place are seething over it.
We’re not seething. We’re calling it crap trying to bank on the nostalgia factor as an excuse to do YET ANOTHER cinematic universe, only this time it’s even lazier because it’s literally “movies we own IPs to” as the logic for why they’re all there.

A shit kids movie is still shit.
 

Syaoran Li

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This. It's going to be a dumb popcorn flick for kids like the original was.

Don't see why neckbeards and even this place are seething over it.

I guess it's mostly due to the sheer blatant openness about being a feature-length commercial for HBO Max.

Don't get me wrong, the original Space Jam was pretty much just a glorified commercial for the Chicago Bulls and Air Jordans but it wasn't anywhere near on the nose about it and was pretty much just a dumb fun popcorn flick for the kids.

Another thing is the fact that franchise IP's and reboots weren't as endemic in 1996 as they are in 2021. They definitely existed but you still would get new IP's as well every so often.

In 1996 something like Space Jam was kind of novel while in 2021, the sequel just feels like yet another rehash of the franchise-driven cinematic universe.

Personally, I'm not upset about Space Jam 2 despite not caring for it. It is what it is.
 

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