Special Education - Your thoughts on it
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Special education has it's place. I mean, these low-functioning kids won't learn and may inhibit the learning of others in a normal school environment. I think it is overall a good thing, but does have drawbacks. For instance, children in these programs don't socialize with normal kids a lot and someone who may have otherwise turned out relatively okay (like, say, a kid with mild autism) will be socially fucked.
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Special education is for speds.
But more seriously, it's probably useful if it's actually special, with autistic people being taught coping skills specific to their issues, etc. However, in a lot of places it's just warehousing kids until they can be spit out into the world and they don't like having them because it lowers their numbers on various measuring tools for schools.
Since schools are actually punished for things like this, there's a natural incentive to fake the numbers, or at least fudge them a bit, while not doing much to help the kids.
But more seriously, it's probably useful if it's actually special, with autistic people being taught coping skills specific to their issues, etc. However, in a lot of places it's just warehousing kids until they can be spit out into the world and they don't like having them because it lowers their numbers on various measuring tools for schools.
Since schools are actually punished for things like this, there's a natural incentive to fake the numbers, or at least fudge them a bit, while not doing much to help the kids.
I guess it's a fine line. Putting kids with moderate to serious issues in mainstream schooling can sometimes teach them how to function a bit better in society (with a ton of extra help and support during school and after usually) but it can also have a detrimental effect on the rest of the class. If a teacher has to spend half her day telling some kids to stop eating the crayons and watch out for them getting a hold of safety scissors they can't really teach the rest of the class.
Specialist schools can take the kids away from the parents for a bit to get them some respite (god knows they need it) and let's the parents go to work or just cry in a corner. Adult places are needed too and sadly those are being closed left, right and centre.
I work in the industry so I know it pretty well.
Specialist schools can take the kids away from the parents for a bit to get them some respite (god knows they need it) and let's the parents go to work or just cry in a corner. Adult places are needed too and sadly those are being closed left, right and centre.
I work in the industry so I know it pretty well.
Sometimes you get ones, like Chris-Chan, for example, whose parents, while maybe well meaning, force them into a regular school and that also worsens them. We had a kid, back in my primary and high school, who could barely sit still, and barely speak to others, but the only reason he wasn't in a school that could actually properly help him is because his parents were too proud to get him in one. Back then, of course, we found him funny, but now, looking back... I kind of feel sorry for the kid.
Apologies for powerleveling there.
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I don't see the point in educating the mentally deficient. What's the point in wasting resources on someone that'll never amount to anything in the long run?
I guess the problem is drawing a line somewhere, but still.
I guess the problem is drawing a line somewhere, but still.
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Plenty of tards out there have jobs. I've known employers who say some of their hardest workers are people with Down's.
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I meant more like, people with Autism. Autistics almost never amount to anything unless they're one of the lucky few that can concentrate it into some niche talent that can make them money (i.e. programming)
Reasons why kids get put in the Special Ed classes can range from everything from autism to severe mental retardation, and each condition requires a different approach.
Naturally, our solution is to lump them all together and hope for the best. And while some kids do prosper in Special Ed, the majority are there for state sponsored babysitting.
Naturally, our solution is to lump them all together and hope for the best. And while some kids do prosper in Special Ed, the majority are there for state sponsored babysitting.
Actually, autistics (atleast high-functioning ones) are the MOST likely to get money and a job. Especially these days where its getting easier and easier to just work from home.
Autistics are bumbling idiots for the most part, this website of all places should've taught you that by now.
When people hear "special education" they usually think of very disabled people. The kids who hit their heads on purpose and have to have a helmet on. Yeah, usually those kids can't learn too much but getting them used to people trying to help them and how to behave outside of home is important too. But special education as a whole covers much more than that.
Without special education being a possibility a lot of these kids would be constantly held back early on and dropping out in later years when it's too tough to catch up on the material after school with a parent. They're really unlikely to even try being a productive individual in that case.
There will always be some bad seeds who spit at the chance to do well in public school, but they usually have other issues at home or just live in a city with shitty schools so "why bother?" You can't help them all, but it's worth trying for the others who can still succeed.
There's kids that are somewhat slow, but can learn well enough with a teacher's aide. They're mostly there to help them understand in-school assignments and answer questions separately in the back of the classroom. A lot of those kids are really nice and willing to try their best but get flustered easily.
You also have kids that are potentially smart but come off as slow in a standardized school setting so they go to smaller classes and some get extra time on tests. (There's even special programs for kids with emotional issues or addiction problems but that's a more extensive kind of Special Ed.)
You also have kids that are potentially smart but come off as slow in a standardized school setting so they go to smaller classes and some get extra time on tests. (There's even special programs for kids with emotional issues or addiction problems but that's a more extensive kind of Special Ed.)
Without special education being a possibility a lot of these kids would be constantly held back early on and dropping out in later years when it's too tough to catch up on the material after school with a parent. They're really unlikely to even try being a productive individual in that case.
There will always be some bad seeds who spit at the chance to do well in public school, but they usually have other issues at home or just live in a city with shitty schools so "why bother?" You can't help them all, but it's worth trying for the others who can still succeed.
Please don't think of special education as being only for very low-functioning autists with Forrest Gump IQs and no ability to sit still. There's a lot of children that benefit from individual education plans, whether it's to help them shore up a weakness or explore a talent that would otherwise go neglected.
Of course, most people don't want to pay for such things, and treat schools like free day care for their brats. In both cases, parental involvement is the ingredient that makes all the difference. I have a cousin who was born premature, and he has an individual education plan that his mother fights for tooth and nail. Very sharp kid, into computer programming at the age of 10.
Of course, most people don't want to pay for such things, and treat schools like free day care for their brats. In both cases, parental involvement is the ingredient that makes all the difference. I have a cousin who was born premature, and he has an individual education plan that his mother fights for tooth and nail. Very sharp kid, into computer programming at the age of 10.
Something worth mentioning is that, sometimes, putting kids with issues harms the other kids in the class. Like, I've been in math classes where kids with developmental issues were mainstreamed. These kids were sometimes very good at math, but they absolutely were a distraction to both the teacher and the other student, and in at least one case caused us to get way behind due to outbursts and frequently asking questions.
Now, I feel for these sorts of kids, but at a certain point those who need more assistance than normal need to get that assistance outside of the normal classroom environment. Mainstreaming kids with serious issues, no matter how intelligent, ends up being a bad choice not only for those kids, but also for the other students and the instructors
Now, I feel for these sorts of kids, but at a certain point those who need more assistance than normal need to get that assistance outside of the normal classroom environment. Mainstreaming kids with serious issues, no matter how intelligent, ends up being a bad choice not only for those kids, but also for the other students and the instructors
Like a lot of things, it's not universally good nor is it universally bad, it's a tool that has to be correctly and appropriately applied or else it won't produce the result you want. There are kids who can get by in mainstream with special help, and there are kids who are total disaster that need to be kept away from the normals.
I read that only about 15 percent of adults with ASD are working; that's not a good number. I think special education is good for people with borderline problems like ADD/ADHD, hearing impairments, blindness, and dyslexia or dyscalculia. We have great examples of cows like Phil that received sped education and are actually draining America. Chris too, received some special education, and all it did was help him to speak. (not very well). If you have children that are just sitting there and can't even notice if you're coming or going, then that's a big problem. If you have kids like Chris that you know are just lagging, then they should not be in mainstream education. Education was created to educate people, and a good reflection of that is a school system that graduates people that are well equipped to deal with the challenges of society. We should not be wasting resources on people that did not earn their education. I think this is the reason the West is slowly dying, is we're too busy trying to make people like CWC and Harel feel special instead of investing in things and people that have a working brain and have the ability and thirst to learn.
Special education or "adaptive education" and mainstream education should not be glorified daycare centers.
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Special education is necessary, but it's sometimes treated like a place where teachers can shove off students that they just don't want to deal with (i.e. they have untreated ADHD or they're just otherwise annoying). I won't powerlevel but I do have personal experience with a teacher trying to place me in special ed for superfluous reasons when I was a kid. So I know it happens.
In the UK, schools get extra funding for tards, so there's a huge incentive to shove mildly annoying children into special classes and soak up the extra cash which has led to a huge over-diagnosis of spergs and so-on
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I've been in Special Education for most of my public school life and it's both helpful and unhelpful both socially and learning.
I was placed in Sped Ed since the 3rd grade, it was because of learning disabilities and possible ADD/ADHD(to this day, I still don't know what other mental defects I have because it was either never reported or records lost, who knows). For the most part, most kids in Sped Ed aren't exceptional individuals or severe autists, they're just regular kids but have a hard time learning. I myself wanted to excel more than anything because I was bullied for my mental defects and learning disabilities after I got tired of failing and going to Summer School and getting in trouble.
The learning pace is much slower than it is for Regular Ed kids. From what I learned in high school is that Sped Ed classes are usually a week behind with material than Regular Ed classes. Some kids want to learn, some don't and don't give a damn. The teacher's aide(s) usually one or two goes around give extra support to some students that didn't grasp the all of the lecture. In Elementary School, some students don't really care about being in Sped Ed because they need to learn and whatnot.
It's Middle School and High School where being in Sped Ed is what makes some students in Sped Ed not want to learn or attend class due to fear of their peers making fun of them for having learning disabilities. For me, being in Sped Ed in Middle and High School was absolute hell because often times the kids who didn't want to learn always disrupted class, having loud conversations amongst one another or quiet conversations with each other that forces the teacher to have them stop talking every 5 or 10 minutes.
Plus since the Sped Ed classes and Regular Ed classrooms were in close proximity with each other the other kids in my class would disrupt the teachers just to have them close the door just so they wouldn't be seen by their friends who were passing by or skipping class. Sped Ed is awful for children and teens with learning disabilities and what have you that want to better themselves because there's so many obstacles that holds them back from becoming successful people in the future. My experiences in general if anyone begs to differ, you're free to do so.
The learning pace is much slower than it is for Regular Ed kids. From what I learned in high school is that Sped Ed classes are usually a week behind with material than Regular Ed classes. Some kids want to learn, some don't and don't give a damn. The teacher's aide(s) usually one or two goes around give extra support to some students that didn't grasp the all of the lecture. In Elementary School, some students don't really care about being in Sped Ed because they need to learn and whatnot.
It's Middle School and High School where being in Sped Ed is what makes some students in Sped Ed not want to learn or attend class due to fear of their peers making fun of them for having learning disabilities. For me, being in Sped Ed in Middle and High School was absolute hell because often times the kids who didn't want to learn always disrupted class, having loud conversations amongst one another or quiet conversations with each other that forces the teacher to have them stop talking every 5 or 10 minutes.
Plus since the Sped Ed classes and Regular Ed classrooms were in close proximity with each other the other kids in my class would disrupt the teachers just to have them close the door just so they wouldn't be seen by their friends who were passing by or skipping class. Sped Ed is awful for children and teens with learning disabilities and what have you that want to better themselves because there's so many obstacles that holds them back from becoming successful people in the future. My experiences in general if anyone begs to differ, you're free to do so.
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